Once saved, always saved

[benidict]

Jesus drove a Rolls Royce, right?

well not exactly my friend. back in those days, they had 4 horse turbo charged chariots. with flames on the side. Peace

 

[Third_Day]

You know, come think about it, I think I was wrong. It started where in the Bible it says “In the beginning”

In the beginning Adam and Eve were without sin and were saved and then they freely committed ONE mortal sin and were removed from paradise. The same still holds true today.

 

[freedomwriter]

Does anyone know when this philosophy first appeared? Just curious.

Jn 10:27 “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them and they follow me. I give them eternal life and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me.”
Romans 8:38 “And i am convinced that nothing can seperate us from God’s love.”

 

[AmateurPianist]

And now they have shows on late night TBN. :takeoff:

Not that I am a fan of TBN…but (and correct me if I am wrong)

TBN is “Word of Faith” Pentecostal/Charismatic is it not. So they are a weird offshoot of traditional Pentecostals…like…me.

One thing that Pentecostal theology is not known for is Eternal Security/Once saved, always saved. In fact they are traditionally opposed to this.

Again…not that I am a fan of TBN…

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Not that I am a fan of TBN…but (and correct me if I am wrong)

TBN is “Word of Faith” Pentecostal/Charismatic is it not. So they are a weird offshoot of traditional Pentecostals…like…me.

One thing that Pentecostal theology is not known for is Eternal Security/Once saved, always saved. In fact they are traditionally opposed to this.

Again…not that I am a fan of TBN…

Oftentimes I don’t know what the Word of Faith guys believe - from God being 9 feet tall (thank you Kenneth Copeland) to the Trinity actually have 9 Persons (thank you Benny Hinn) to our salvation not being on the cross but Christ’s torture by demons in hell (thank you Joyce Meyer). One of them probably believes in OSAS, and if we dug hard enough we’d probably find one.

However, I also recognize that the WoF heretics don’t represent every Charismatic Christian out there. I’ve known plenty of Charismatic Christians (including army chaplains) with a good head on their shoulders and a sound theology in their worship.

 

[Anna_Scott]

Why couldln’t all of you just simply work this out somehow, rather than give people like me the idea that you are all so disagreable that the whole idea was a sham to begin with?

StrawberryJam,

I haven’t chatted with you for quite awhile.

All of us, who profess to be Christians, should pay attention to your statement. The bickering can be so destructive.

Sometimes we get so caught up in the debates and forget the Great Commandment of Christ to love God and love one another. When I have failed to demonstrate the love of Christ to those around me, I have failed my Lord. I pray, “Lord have mercy.”

Matthew 22:34-40 (English Standard Version)
The Great Commandment
34(A) But when the Pharisees heard that he had silenced(B) the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35(C) And one of them,(D) a lawyer, asked him a question(E) to test him. 36"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" 37And he said to him, (F) “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39And(G) a second is like itH) You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40(I) On these two commandments depend(J) all the Law and the Prophets.”

Cross references:

1. Matthew 22:34 : For Matthew 22:34-40, Mark 12:28-33
2. Matthew 22:34 : Matthew 22:23
3. Matthew 22:35 : Luke 10:25-28
4. Matthew 22:35 : Luke 7:30
5. Matthew 22:35 : Matthew 22:18
6. Matthew 22:37 : Luke 10:27; Deut 6:5
7. Matthew 22:39 : 1 John 4:21
8. Matthew 22:39 : Lev 19:18; Matthew 19:19
9. Matthew 22:40 : Rom 13:8, 10
10. Matthew 22:40 : Matthew 7:12; Gal 5:14

Do not be discouraged when the light of Christians shines dimly. Seek Christ, dear Strawberry. His love is unimaginable. There are moments when I am enveloped by it–a true glimpse of the “heavenly.”

Anna

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I love the guy on TBN with the mustache and the white couch with gold roccocco style furniture and decor everwhere. He has that wife (Jan something or other) that looks like Tammy Fey on steroids. She has five times the mascara and eye liner. She’s priceless. Then they have that dude on the piano who’s like a fundamentalist Freddie Mercury. That bunch reminds me of the televangelist scenes on “Fletch Lives!”

That guy on TBN, Jesse Duplantiss, wow, one of the weirdest human beings I’ve ever watched. It’s like a car wreck that I can’t pull my ojos away from! Then you’ve got a guy with the last name “Dollar” on there, how ironic! Of course there’s good ole’ Benny Hinn (the name sounds too much like Benny Hill who I’d MUCH rather watch any day than Hinn!) in his searsucker white suits grabbing people and thrusting them down to the ground with ‘anointings.’ And of course there’s the one and only Pat Robertson (LOL)…that wise seer!

My favorite guy is Jack Van Impe. Absolutely priceless! He’s been on since the early 90’s. My buddy and I used to listen to his “prophesies” and crack up. Clinton was supposed to be the anti-Christ, then Saddam, then Osama, then Obama, shoot, probably Bill Cosby will be next. He always quotes Bible verses at break-neck speed, rants and raves, and hands the ‘news’ over to his wacky wife. Priceless. But terriying is the fact that obviously someone out there believes this stuff!

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I love the guy on TBN with the mustache and the white couch with gold roccocco style furniture and decor everwhere. He has that wife (Jan something or other) that looks like Tammy Fey on steroids. She has five times the mascara and eye liner. She’s priceless.

Paul Crouch. I feel so bad for him - he looks really out of shape now. He used to look pretty sturdy for a guy his age, but man, how he’s fallen in that regard a bit.

And yeah, Jan…my roommate in college and I used to call her “Skelltor.” Not that I make fun of her for how she looks alone, but…yeah really, she looks horrible. How can anyone think that looks attractive? I saw a pic of her young, and she didn’t look that bad. What the heck happened? I mean if she lost her hair to cancer, OK, but…there are way better wigs than that. And you don’t need the 10-foot long eyelashes.

Then you’ve got a guy with the last name “Dollar” on there, how ironic!

That guy’s the worst of them all to be honest - at least in my opinion. He’s the one who said since dogs beget dogs and cats beget cats, the Godhead begets gods (ie., we are all gods).

The worst thing I ever heard him say though involved the parable of the final judgment. He quoted the section about what you do to the least of people you do to Christ, and then came out with, “When you have sex with your sister-in-law, you’re havin’ sex with Jesus!!!”

Ugh…prostrates forgive me Lord…I say that to condemn heresy.

Then he repeated it! In a church! And people were laughing and cheering!! Geez louise! If my pastor said that, even in jest, I’d get up and walk out.

My favorite guy is Jack Van Impe. Absolutely priceless! He’s been on since the early 90’s. My buddy and I used to listen to his “prophesies” and crack up. Clinton was supposed to be the anti-Christ, then Saddam, then Osama, then Obama, shoot, probably Bill Cosby will be next. He always quotes Bible verses at break-neck speed, rants and raves, and hands the ‘news’ over to his wacky wife. Priceless.

Ah, Jack van Impe. I made a post on my blog about him a while ago, reviewing the supposed prophecies of nuclear weapons in the Bible.

BTW, regarding his “break-neck speed” Bible verse quoting/citing…I have about four years experience in TV production, and I know a thing or two about how it works. People who think Jack van Impe is awesome for quoting Bible verses on his show like that should realize he’s always looking at the camera when he does this…and there’s usually a teleprompter on most television cameras…

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

That Jan lady always reminds me of Valerie Perrine bloated with purple hair. Valerie Perrine, Miss Tesmacher on “Superman.”

And I agree about Jack Van Impe and the teleprompter. Maybe he taught Barack the use of the ‘holy instrument!’ LOL

Skeletor? I don’t think so. Honestly, being a He-Man fan as a kid and now passing on that torch to my kids, Skeletor is WAY too classy for TBN. I think he, along with Cobra Commander, was the best bad guy and most likeable of all cartoons. Who else could throw out a “why am I surrounded by nincompoops and boobs!?” without a beat!?

Paul Crouch. I feel so bad for him - he looks really out of shape now. He used to look pretty sturdy for a guy his age, but man, how he’s fallen in that regard a bit.

And yeah, Jan…my roommate in college and I used to call her “Skelltor.” Not that I make fun of her for how she looks alone, but…yeah really, she looks horrible. How can anyone think that looks attractive? I saw a pic of her young, and she didn’t look that bad. What the heck happened? I mean if she lost her hair to cancer, OK, but…there are way better wigs than that. And you don’t need the 10-foot long eyelashes.

That guy’s the worst of them all to be honest - at least in my opinion. He’s the one who said since dogs beget dogs and cats beget cats, the Godhead begets gods (ie., we are all gods).

The worst thing I ever heard him say though involved the parable of the final judgment. He quoted the section about what you do to the least of people you do to Christ, and then came out with, “When you have sex with your sister-in-law, you’re havin’ sex with Jesus!!!”

Ugh…prostrates forgive me Lord…I say that to condemn heresy.

Then he repeated it! In a church! And people were laughing and cheering!! Geez louise! If my pastor said that, even in jest, I’d get up and walk out.

Ah, Jack van Impe. I made a post on my blog about him a while ago, reviewing the supposed prophecies of nuclear weapons in the Bible.

BTW, regarding his “break-neck speed” Bible verse quoting/citing…I have about four years experience in TV production, and I know a thing or two about how it works. People who think Jack van Impe is awesome for quoting Bible verses on his show like that should realize he’s always looking at the camera when he does this…and there’s usually a teleprompter on most television cameras…

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Skeletor? I don’t think so. Honestly, being a He-Man fan as a kid and now passing on that torch to my kids, Skeletor is WAY too classy for TBN. I think he, along with Cobra Commander, was the best bad guy and most likeable of all cartoons. Who else could throw out a “why am I surrounded by nincompoops and boobs!?” without a beat!?

You obviously aren’t familiar with the Peculiar Purple Pieman of Porcupine Peak.

Or…uh…

Yeah, maybe Skeletor was the best.

 

[StrawberryJam]

You obviously aren’t familiar with the Peculiar Purple Pieman of Porcupine Peak.

Or…uh…

Yeah, maybe Skeletor was the best.

I think I know this PPPof PP.

He is a rather Pissy Fellow.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

I think I know this PPPof PP.

He is a rather Pissy Fellow.

Yeah but his female co-conspirator was kinda cute. In an evil way.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Or we could go back to when I was really little with the Kroft Hour from England that included Electra Woman and Dyna Girl (or something like that), the Buggaloos, HR Puff 'n Stuff, and Land of the Lost!

You obviously aren’t familiar with the Peculiar Purple Pieman of Porcupine Peak.

Or…uh…

Yeah, maybe Skeletor was the best.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

Or we could go back to when I was really little with the Kroft Hour from England that included Electra Woman and Dyna Girl (or something like that), the Buggaloos, HR Puff 'n Stuff, and Land of the Lost!

You know what villain freaked me out as a kid? The witch from “The Wiz.” She was ugg-leh. They showed that movie all the time on the Disney Channel when I was a kid, and every time it got to her I was reviled by that giant nose and big black dots all over her face. Oye. And then she sawed the Tin Man in half.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

My favorite baddie was David Warner playing “Evil” on Time Bandits. Hilarious!

You know what villain freaked me out as a kid? The witch from “The Wiz.” She was ugg-leh. They showed that movie all the time on the Disney Channel when I was a kid, and every time it got to her I was reviled by that giant nose and big black dots all over her face. Oye. And then she sawed the Tin Man in half.

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

My favorite baddie was David Warner playing “Evil” on Time Bandits. Hilarious!

Oh pfft, well of course, best portrayal of evil ever.

“God knows nothing about technology. Look how He spends His time: 43 species of parrot; nipples for men!”

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

“Slugs! He created slugs! They can’t work, they can’t speak, they can’t operate machinery! If I were creating a world, I would’ve started off with LASERS 8 o’clock, day one!” [blast!]…“Sorry” " Are we not in the hands of a complete incompetant!?"

Oh pfft, well of course, best portrayal of evil ever.

“God knows nothing about technology. Look how He spends His time: 43 species of parrot; nipples for men!”

 

[Byzantine_Wolf]

My favorite line, when God comes in at the end:

“What’s wrong with him?”
“He’s dead…”
“Well that’s no excuse for being down on the job!”

 

[StrawberryJam]

My favorite line, when God comes in at the end:

“What’s wrong with him?”
“He’s dead…”
“Well that’s no excuse for being down on the job!”

I had no idea before that you could have some fun and believe!

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Evil: “Why have I allowed the Supreme Being to keep me locked up here in the fortress of ultimate darkness?”

Robert the demon: “Because…” [gets interrupted by Evil}

Evil: “Oh shut up…I was speaking rhetorically!”

Robert: “Oh, of course, of course…”

Evil: “I have allowed the Supreme Being to keep me here in the fortress of ultimate darkness to lure him into a false sense of security!”

Robert: “Oh…clever master! Clever!”

MY FAVORITE LINES of the whole movie! (along with Napoleon’s stuff!)

My favorite line, when God comes in at the end:

“What’s wrong with him?”
“He’s dead…”
“Well that’s no excuse for being down on the job!”