Once Saved Always Saved?

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Sig said:
No. My conclusion is that the elect cannot lose their salvation.

That is also the conclusion of the Roman Catholic Church in its doctrine of election to eternal blessedness, a doctrine you must believe de fide.
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Of course the elect can’t lose their salvation-the question is, who are the elect?
 
Sig said:
No. My conclusion is that the elect cannot lose their salvation.
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Well then, if
[BIBLEDRB]1 Tim 2:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]
Then tell me why the population of hell is greater than zero.
That is also the conclusion of the Roman Catholic Church in its doctrine of election to eternal blessedness, a doctrine you must believe de fide.
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Why don’t you show us where in the CCC it says that?

NOTE: If you are deliberately misrepresenting Catholic doctrine, you may have a report filed on you.
 
Cat_Herder said:
Well then, if
[BIBLEDRB]1 Tim 2:3-4[/BIBLEDRB]
Then tell me why the population of hell is greater than zero.
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That’s a non-sequitur. The population of hell being greater than zero has no bearing on the fact of the elect’s inability to lose salvation.
Cat_Herder said:
Why don’t you show us where in the CCC it says that?

NOTE: If you are deliberately misrepresenting Catholic doctrine, you may have a report filed on you.
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You can read about the Roman Catholic Dogma of predestination here: Catholic Encyclopedia: Catholic dogma of predestination
 
Sig said:
I’ve been talking about election.
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1 Tim 2:3-4 says that God wills all to be saved.
You say that everyone God wills to be saved is saved.
Yet there is a hell.

Reconcile.
 
Cat_Herder said:
1 Tim 2:3-4 says that God wills all to be saved.
You say that everyone God wills to be saved is saved.
Yet there is a hell.

Reconcile.
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1 Tim 2:3-4 says that God wills all to be saved.
Yet there is a hell, with men in it.

Reconcile.
 
Sig said:
Non-sequitur.
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No, it follows perfectly because God is the only one who has100% knowledge of our salvation, as has been previously discussed on this thread, making any concept of election purely an academic one.
 
fhansen said:
It follows perfectly because God is the only one who has100% knowledge of our salvation, as has been previously discussed on this thread, making any concept of election an academic one.
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What you said is a non-sequitur.

I’ve been talking about “OSAS,” and election, not Luther or Calvin.
 
Sig said:
What you said is a non-sequitur.

I’ve been talking about election, not Luther or Calvin.
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The point was that Luther and Calvin surely must’ve considered themselves to be numbered among the elect but Catholics don’t believe we can know that with 100% certainty about ourselves or anyone else.
 
Sig said:
1 Tim 2:3-4 says that God wills all to be saved.
Yet there is a hell, with men in it.

Reconcile.
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Man has free will and can choose to reject salvation by committing a mortal sin.
 
fhansen said:
The point was that Luther and Calvin surely must’ve considered themselves to be numbered among the elect but Catholics don’t believe we can know that with 100% certainty about ourselves or anyone else.
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That’s too bad. Jesus, and the apostle John say one can know.
 
fhansen said:
No, that’s the point. We can have a great deal of assurance but we can’t know, even about ourselves.
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Sorry, but Jesus and the apostle John say the we can know about ourselves.

I’m going with what they say.
 
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