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he will reply, with nonsense…
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planten
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** Lyrikal, please ignore the nonsense of D i L. Here is some reply to your post #213.he will reply, with nonsense…
You have a point that some true prophets were alo killed. That is the claim of the Quran. But I personally do not know the names of any that the Jews killed, except that I have heard that some one named Zakariyya was killed. Even Jesus mentioned about the blood of all who were killed and in that he mentioned the name of Zakariya.
I am posting below the verses of Quran which tell that if Muhammad had himself made up the Quran and it was not given to him by God then God would have killed him. See Ch. 69 V.44.45…
That really means any one who is not a prophet and he pretends to be one then he is killed.
Same is noted in Deut 18:20. Please see. You can give some explanation of these things perhaps. It is not necessary for me to do so. See the verses of Quran and bible (OT) Now.
The Quran:
69:42] Nor is it the word of a soothsayer; little is it that you heed! [69:43] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds. [69:44] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to US, [69:45] We would, surely, have seized him by the right hand, [69:46] And then, surely, We would have cut his life-vein, [69:47] And not one of you could have held Our punishment off from him. [69:48] And verily, it is a reminder for the righteous,
The bible OT.
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." **
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Dear Lyrical,
In post #213, you quote Planten who kept on insisting that Paul was a false prophet. You know what, Planten NEVER has provide any proof that Paul contradict the teaching of Jesus. However, when people insisting that Muhammad was a false prophet, with so many proofs, he got upset.
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Sam_777
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But you just judged on your priest that he is “ignorant”!!!
Anyway, the concept of Christianity is completely different than Islam, in Islam we have to cast a stone, that is why Muslims are considered to be the best nation per these sources:
(Quran 3:104):
“Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: they are the ones to attain felicity.”
(Quran 3:110):
“Ye are the best of Peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had Faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have Faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.”
Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0079:
“…I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue, and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart, and that is the least of faith.”
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And planten is doing abominable deeds by first denying Hadith and worst than that denying what is written in Quran about the birth of Jesus, as shown in this thread.
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NeedsFaith
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Breaking CAF rules!Woah, CHILL OUT NeedsFaith!Planten is a heretic even by Muslim standards, since he practices the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam…mainstream Muslims do not recognize Ahmadiyya as Muslims.
Just out of curiosity, why did the “ignorant” priest tell you you were not a true Catholic?I noticed from one of your other posts that you don’t believe Jesus is God–one of the most fundamental teachings of the Catholic Christian religion. If you don’t accept every point of Catholic doctrine, you aren’t a Catholic! Who are you to say you are!? You sound like a first class moron, NeedsFaith…how old are you anyway? I don’t play football, so I don’t say I’m a football player–and if I did, I wouldn’t say “How DARE you say I’m not a football player just because I don’t play football?” The same principle applies to someone who claims to be Catholic but isn’t really Catholic.
The priest was correct, NeedsFaith; it is you who are the ignoramus. After reading some of your posts, I wish I could reach through the screen and choke you. Ugh!
Not very christian of you!
Should’nt the WWJD apply here?
Perhaps the attacks I get here will deter me away from the catholic church for good. When you stand before Jesus what will you say to him when he brings this post and what you felt at that time before you? You pushing people away from the church?
May God have **more **mercy on your souls; than you have given me!
As tears roll threw my heart ; I will not post again .
I am deeply hurt and offended.
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cathopologist
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This thread is informative. Too bad you don’t get that sort of information where you live - in Lalaland. Actually, it is you who have not given any comprehensive answers - only diatribe.
If you want to be an apologist for your religion, at least stay informative - or at least belong to an orthodox religion. I have better respects for Muslims who do not stray from the Sunni and Shi’ite branches of Islam. Even Sufi’s have better theology than yours.
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cathopologist
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See, if you do not read the underlined link in my post, what’s the point of even continuing this debate? Read about annulments and understand what an annulment means. Then ask appropriate questions.
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inJESUS
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Muslim woman,
marriage in Islam and Christianity have different concepts. In Islam it is more of a contract that can be easily dissolved, compared to Christianity where marriage is considered a sacred mystery, an union between one man and woman forever. The problem of divorce in Christianity is not caused by Jesus’ words, but by humanity’s sick nature so it is not Jesus’ fault if people do not want to live as He taught, otherwise there would be no divorces but love, sacrifice and humility.
Amy told me in Islam you can divorce your husband simply because you don’t find him attractive anymore…so you divorce him and you can seek someone else…it is your right…the sharia gives you that right…to us, it is adultry…to marry and divorce and marry and divorce is adultry…it’s no better than legalized adultry, just like temporary marriages are adultry to us.
marriage in Islam and Christianity have different concepts. In Islam it is more of a contract that can be easily dissolved, compared to Christianity where marriage is considered a sacred mystery, an union between one man and woman forever. The problem of divorce in Christianity is not caused by Jesus’ words, but by humanity’s sick nature so it is not Jesus’ fault if people do not want to live as He taught, otherwise there would be no divorces but love, sacrifice and humility.
Amy told me in Islam you can divorce your husband simply because you don’t find him attractive anymore…so you divorce him and you can seek someone else…it is your right…the sharia gives you that right…to us, it is adultry…to marry and divorce and marry and divorce is adultry…it’s no better than legalized adultry, just like temporary marriages are adultry to us.
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rikkk1958
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NeedsFaith, I do not wish to intrude but as your brother in Christ I am also hurt that you are threatening to leave the Church because someone hurt your feelings. Is this how shallow your faith is? You need to remember the two greatest commandment always and sow it in your heart. It will keep growing in there if you just follow the Word of the Lord Jesus Christ. Love your neighbor as yourself, this is what makes me happy after I learned what life is all about, loving all around you and embracing your enemies is just a wonderful thing to do. Do not hold grudge to anyone and pray to those whom you envy that they may be more successful than you. Those who are last may be first and the first may be last.
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rikkk1958
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In Jesus, I been following your posts and kudos to you with your knowledge of the muslim faith. Yes marriage is sacred and lest we forget the beginning of creation of man and woman. As the ribs of man was taken out to form a woman so that they no longer two but one.
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jen_fla
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aye! as usual islam has us all riled up.
just want to remind everyone that we do have feisty teens posting on here.
this helps me when the urge to throttle arises!
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anyways, planten is using diversion tactics again. he has done this on almost every thread pertaining to islam. he can’t defend his religion, then makes something up, we show him a reference then he gets upset and starts making up nonsense about the NT.
if he had any genuine interest in learning about Catholicism he’d start a new thread, but as you see he has diverted us away from the treatment of women in islam.
notice how no one responded to the video i posted that refuted planten’s claim? a muslim man can rape his wife. sam777 even gave a reference to back it up as well.
please defend this muslims.
just want to remind everyone that we do have feisty teens posting on here.
this helps me when the urge to throttle arises!
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anyways, planten is using diversion tactics again. he has done this on almost every thread pertaining to islam. he can’t defend his religion, then makes something up, we show him a reference then he gets upset and starts making up nonsense about the NT.
if he had any genuine interest in learning about Catholicism he’d start a new thread, but as you see he has diverted us away from the treatment of women in islam.
notice how no one responded to the video i posted that refuted planten’s claim? a muslim man can rape his wife. sam777 even gave a reference to back it up as well.
please defend this muslims.
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planten
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The so-called christians and so -called Catholics have been misbehaving here quite a lot, distressing other non-catholics. Now I see they have started abusing (judging) the fellow christians too.Woah, CHILL OUT NeedsFaith!
Just out of curiosity, why did the “ignorant” priest tell you you were not a true Catholic?
The priest was correct, NeedsFaith; it is you who are the ignoramus. After reading some of your posts, I wish I could reach through the screen and choke you. Ugh!
Why that has happened? It happened because they were doing wrong things for a long time. Due to that wrong approach to things, they (Psalter specially has) have done the blunder of bad judgement. See the last sentence of Psaler, ready to choke a friend. Being so judgemental !! And calling me a heretic !!
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planten
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inJesus. That is why you have many more divorces in the christians. The reason is that marriage in your system is stronger union. That is why it breaks so quickly…
inJesus, Amy told you the right thing. you have no system. church does not allow divorce. People need it. Your religion is un-natural, incompetent. So there is no need to discuss this topic with you when you have no divorce as per your religious books.
You people are wandering around trying to solve your problems by your own ideas, quite irreligious acts. You still have wrong notions about a divorced lady getting married again. Youcall it adultry. Very funny.
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planten
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**Psalter did a bit more than what was allowed. It cannot happen unless one is in the bad habit.
To me all christians are heretic except you.What do you say? is it the majority rule or the rule of truth here? Don’t believe all that people say. Investigate things for yourself, please.
I never started any abuse here. But when different people were relentlessly abusing our prophet Muhammad that he was a looter, a murderer, a pedeophile and a rapist… Well you know what it all means. It all means bad habits. Affects of the bad religion i.e. christianity. That needed a little bit tuning up.
Some time the attack was via the Hadith. So i had to leave the Quran and the hadith and to pick up the bible only to advise those fellows, some lessons, from their own book.
My religion does not teach me all that. Every one knows that. But the fellows here were taking undue advantage of the good work of Quran and Muhammad. We Muslims believed in the goodness and pious life of Mary and Jesus becuse our prophet had told us about it. If he had not old it then we would never believe anything about Jesus.
But I saw that the prophet was being ridiculed and abused for no reason, no need at all. It did not serve any purpose. It was all anti-catholic act of the abusers.
I am not any heretic. I do not follow the orthodox Mullas blindly. that is all. Otherwise, i am quite well as a very preaceful Muslim, more peaceful than those muslims who consider me a heretic.**
To me all christians are heretic except you.What do you say? is it the majority rule or the rule of truth here? Don’t believe all that people say. Investigate things for yourself, please.
I never started any abuse here. But when different people were relentlessly abusing our prophet Muhammad that he was a looter, a murderer, a pedeophile and a rapist… Well you know what it all means. It all means bad habits. Affects of the bad religion i.e. christianity. That needed a little bit tuning up.
Some time the attack was via the Hadith. So i had to leave the Quran and the hadith and to pick up the bible only to advise those fellows, some lessons, from their own book.
My religion does not teach me all that. Every one knows that. But the fellows here were taking undue advantage of the good work of Quran and Muhammad. We Muslims believed in the goodness and pious life of Mary and Jesus becuse our prophet had told us about it. If he had not old it then we would never believe anything about Jesus.
But I saw that the prophet was being ridiculed and abused for no reason, no need at all. It did not serve any purpose. It was all anti-catholic act of the abusers.
I am not any heretic. I do not follow the orthodox Mullas blindly. that is all. Otherwise, i am quite well as a very preaceful Muslim, more peaceful than those muslims who consider me a heretic.**
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dzheremi
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Does anyone know what Planten is trying to say here?
Unnatural? Tell me, Planten, is monogamy unnatural? If it is not, why do the majority of Muslims practice it?
It’s not funny at all, actually. The mockery that is apparently made of marriage in Islam is damned depressing. Divorcing your husband/wife because you don’t find them attractive anymore is most definitely adultery, because it’s essentially saying, “I married you because you were pleasing to my flesh, but now I want to have sex with someone else, so I’m leaving”, and in most peoples’ mind (since most people, even Muslims, believe that monogamy is prefered to polygamy/polygyny), committing the the martial act (and I use that term deliberately here) outside of the marriage IS ADULTERY. It’s the very definition of adultery!
Islam appeals to man’s baser instincts, and yet you turn around and tell us that we are wrong. Fine. Continue your indulgence under the guise of piety. We know one from the other, Alhamdullilah.
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planten
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dzheremi, I am trying to tell you that the rate of divorce is much more in the christian majority counrty. Maximum.
Does anyone know what Planten is trying to say here?
** Monogamy is not un-natural. I did not say monogamy was un-natural. But your refusal of divorce is due to mis-understanding Jesus. It sent you on the un-natuarl path. Divorce was there in the Judaic law. That law from same God. Then not allowing remarraige to a divorced lady is un-natural.
Polygamy had been allowed by God in previous times. How could it become a sin so soon? See your un-natural religion?**
It is all made up story that men in Islam marry due to the beauty and lust. I could not understand about your definition of adultry. Muslims do not perform any sex outside marriage. So that cannot be adultry. But what the maximum christians are doing nowadays is clear case of adultry.
**There is no need to reply to any baseless accusations. You have accused Islam about baser instincts. Rather Islam teaches Muslims to go for spiritual progress. And ther eis absolutely no spiritual matte rin christianity. No uplift, no hygene.no clean food , intake. remember what goes in must come out. Sonce you eat the flesh of the swine which Jesus did not eat, then youcannot have any spiritual achievment. You people cannot go to any higher level unless you abstain.
But it is upto you. Do as you like. You cannot lead the mankind in religion or religious matters.
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lyrikal
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This does not answer the question I gave you. What are you trying to say? All you did was go back to your original argument that I just refuted. Try again…
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planten
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**The bible OT.
18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19 If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death." **
lyrikal, I hope I was discussing the same thing that a false prophet will be killed, will be put to death. I posted the relevant verses from Quran and bible. I said I cannot name the prophets who were killed in the Jewish line.
So please explain your problem / stand in a fe wwords. What do you ask?
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planten
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**lyrikal, further to my above post, do you know that Jesus mentioned the killing of the prophets in the Bible NT gospels…? He named only one or two but he included many between them. Please reply. When the matter is available (proof) then why are you asking about a proof fromt he quran? please clarify.
If you do not know about the comments of Jesus then I will post them.
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If you do not know about the comments of Jesus then I will post them.
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