One correct religion with the Truth (part 2)?

[Servant19]

Wait . . . what?!!
Nope:

***Lights of Guidance
***215. Bahá’ís Must not Dissimulate their Faith Under Any Circumstances

“In Persia, , even during the period of persecution, when life was in danger, and complete freedom offered to those who indicated they were Muslims and not Bahá’ís, the Guardian not only deprived anyone who did not openly declare his Faith of his voting rights, but even indicated they were Covenant breakers.
“Thus you will see that it is completely inconsistent for a Bahá’í under any circumstances whatsoever, to indicate they are anything but a Bahá’í, regardless of what the result may be.”
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to two believers, April 30, 1957)

:tsktsk:

I love how you are trying to catch us out dear friend

This is a great lesson in how the wonderful Baha’i Faith works and how it unites the submission of Islam with the love of Christianity and the Laws of Judaism.

What you are pointing to here is not a Law of Baha’u’llah, therefore the guidance on such matters lies in the hands of the Centre of the Covenant during the peiod in which one lives

Such is the unerring wisdom of the Covenant of Baha’u’llah, may my life be a sacrifice to the Covenant’s immortal and irrepressible Beauty.

Obedience, dear friend.

Did you know, that in this time in which we live, 2014, the Centre of the Covenant, the Universal House of Justice, permits the Baha’is of Saudi Arabia to HIDE (yes HIDE) their religious identity, and if asked by authorities they are permitted to say they are Muslim?

Did you know this? Seems to contradict the message of Shoghi Effendi from 1957, doesn’t it?

There is wisdom, a wonderful and peotic wisdom in this guidance. The reasons are too varied and profound to go into here.

But let me tell you this, the current Centre of the Covenant (today that is the Universal House of Justice) can give guidance that CONTRADICTS the previous Centre of the Covenant (which was the Guardian, Shoghi Effendi)

What the Centre of the Covenant cannot do is overturn any Laws revealed by Baha’u’llah, and this is not a law, but guidance, which changes according to the specifics, the needs, and the requirements of Baha’is at specific times in specific places.

WISDOM

What Abdu’l-Baha did was binding for Him at that time, in that environment.

Today, the most current guidance is what the Universal House of Justice says on this matter. End of story.

Abdu’l-Baha’s actions can be overturned by the Universal House of Justice, and ALL Baha’is must obey, and will be submissive to that guidance, voluntarily. (there is never forcefulness in the Baha’i Faith)

Hope that helps your dilemma

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[Matthew_Light]

It is completely justifiable: it is true.

I disagree that it is true.

In any event, it is completely against the rules of this subforum. I have seen many Christians banned for posting things like that here.

 

[Matthew_Light]

Wait . . . what?!!
Nope:

***Lights of Guidance
***215. Bahá’ís Must not Dissimulate their Faith Under Any Circumstances

“In Persia, , even during the period of persecution, when life was in danger, and complete freedom offered to those who indicated they were Muslims and not Bahá’ís, the Guardian not only deprived anyone who did not openly declare his Faith of his voting rights, but even indicated they were Covenant breakers.
“Thus you will see that it is completely inconsistent for a Bahá’í under any circumstances whatsoever, to indicate they are anything but a Bahá’í, regardless of what the result may be.”
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to two believers, April 30, 1957)

:tsktsk:

BTW, that was a letter “written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi” to two individuals. That means Shoghi Effendi didn’t write the letter, one of his secretaries did.

It does not fall under the category of Baha’i scripture, although it should be given due consideration.

In this case, I would suggest that Shoghi Effendi worked very hard to make it clear that the Baha’i Faith was and is a separate religion from Islam, and that is why he pushed a pretty firm line on this issue at this time.

Circumstances change, and guidance from the head of the faith can change to adapt to those circumstances.

As an aside, I am quite curious - why are you here attacking the Baha’i Faith? Are you willing to tell us more about your motivations, beliefs etc?

 

[St_Francis]

Don’t you think you should learn more in order to foster a more fruitful dialogue?

The question at hand is [Can there be]One Religion With the Truth? So we are discussing that in a meandering fashion, currently about what sort of standards would one use for judging the truth of a religion? Or at least I am.

I do not think I need to know “more” about another religion in order to have a fruitful discussion on a number of topics, but I admit that I cannot discuss *everything *as a result.

Would you not say that it is imperative to learn about other religions before one makes sweeping generalizations such as “only my religion is the Truth”?

Not at all. I have an understanding of why Catholicism is true, and there is no other religion which comes close to meeting those standards. Nor have I been convinced by arguments for different standards.

Look at it this way: I have learned a bit about how electricity works. If a South sea Islander came up to me and told me his explanation, which involved the magic traditions of his tribe, etc, do I have to learn all about his religion to decide that it does not provide a good explanation of electricity?

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[1enlighten1]

BTW, that was a letter “written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi” to two individuals. That means Shoghi Effendi didn’t write the letter, one of his secretaries did.

It does not fall under the category of Baha’i scripture, although it should be given due consideration.

In this case, I would suggest that Shoghi Effendi worked very hard to make it clear that the Baha’i Faith was and is a separate religion from Islam, and that is why he pushed a pretty firm line on this issue at this time.

Circumstances change, and guidance from the head of the faith can change to adapt to those circumstances.

As an aside, I am quite curious - why are you here attacking the Baha’i Faith? Are you willing to tell us more about your motivations, beliefs etc?

I’m not friends with you Baha’is any more :crying: :sad_bye: You are all trying to deceive me. :dts:

• First, I asked you if Baha’is perform prayers like Muslims (#93)
• Then Servant19 told me no because “To face Mecca will be indicative of a denial of our Lord in Bahji (#94)”
• and then I showed you a quote from your own books about Abdu’l-Baha performing the midday prayers in congregation with the Muslims (#98)
• and the Servant19 told me that Abdu’l-Baha didn’t participate in prayers and was there to distribute alms and "Abdu’l-Baha knew (not believed, KNEW) without a doubt that the Point of Adoration was his Father, to offer prayers to Mecca disrespects the reality that is Baha’u’llah. (#111)
• and the I showed you a quote that Absu’l-Baha had in fact gone to the Mosque to perform midday prayers (#112)
• and then Arthra told me that he was posing as a Muslim and practicing some sort of dissimulation (#114)
• and then I showed you a quote from Shoghi that had said Baha’is under no circumstance practice dissimulation “any circumstances whatsoever” and “even during the period of persecution, when life was in danger” (#117)
• and then tony verified those quotes by telling me that God looks after us and “Telling a lie is not how Christ tells us to live.” (#118)
• and then Servant19 tells me Baha’is are allowed to lie and pose as Muslims to protect their lives (#120) while Shoghi had clearly stated they couldn’t.

I feel insulted :imsorry:. You basically contradicted each other and yourselves multiple times in response to a simple question. :banghead:

And there is more, then you make a post accusing me of “attacking the Baha’i faith” while in the same post you are still trying to deceive me :tsktsk:.
You tell me that letters written on behalf of Shoghi were not written by him but by his secretaries and do not fall under Baha’i scripture because while Shoghi expresses in the clearest terms that everything sent on his behalf are read and approved by him:
"I wish to add and say that whatever letters are sent in my behalf from Haifa are all read and approved by me before mailing. There is no exception whatever to this rule."
The UHJ also says: "Note that the letters written on behalf of the Guardian are also described as being “authoritative”.
bahai-library.com/uhj_letters_behalf_guardian

May the Lord and the Savior guide you people to the right path.

 

[SteveVH]

I’m not friends with you Baha’is any more :crying: :sad_bye: You are all trying to deceive me. :dts:

• First, I asked you if Baha’is perform prayers like Muslims (#93)
• Then Servant19 told me no because “To face Mecca will be indicative of a denial of our Lord in Bahji (#94)”
• and then I showed you a quote from your own books about Abdu’l-Baha performing the midday prayers in congregation with the Muslims (#98)
• and the Servant19 told me that Abdu’l-Baha didn’t participate in prayers and was there to distribute alms and "Abdu’l-Baha knew (not believed, KNEW) without a doubt that the Point of Adoration was his Father, to offer prayers to Mecca disrespects the reality that is Baha’u’llah. (#111)
• and the I showed you a quote that Absu’l-Baha had in fact gone to the Mosque to perform midday prayers (#112)
• and then Arthra told me that he was posing as a Muslim and practicing some sort of dissimulation (#114)
• and then I showed you a quote from Shoghi that had said Baha’is under no circumstance practice dissimulation “any circumstances whatsoever” and “even during the period of persecution, when life was in danger” (#117)
• and then tony verified those quotes by telling me that God looks after us and “Telling a lie is not how Christ tells us to live.” (#118)
• and then Servant19 tells me Baha’is are allowed to lie and pose as Muslims to protect their lives (#120) while Shoghi had clearly stated they couldn’t.

I feel insulted :imsorry:. You basically contradicted each other and yourselves multiple times in response to a simple question. :banghead:

And there is more, then you make a post accusing me of “attacking the Baha’i faith” while in the same post you are still trying to deceive me :tsktsk:.
You tell me that letters written on behalf of Shoghi were not written by him but by his secretaries and do not fall under Baha’i scripture because while Shoghi expresses in the clearest terms that everything sent on his behalf are read and approved by him:
"I wish to add and say that whatever letters are sent in my behalf from Haifa are all read and approved by me before mailing. There is no exception whatever to this rule."
The UHJ also says: "Note that the letters written on behalf of the Guardian are also described as being “authoritative”.
bahai-library.com/uhj_letters_behalf_guardian

May the Lord and the Savior guide you people to the right path.

I got quite involved in conversing with the Baha’is on this forum. No more. What you have found is exactly what I found and came to the conclusion that there is a definite agenda here.
About the only thing I find interesting about the Baha’i faith is from a psychological point of view; that they have the strange ability to hold contradicting positions simultaneously and believe it is all truth. No rational thought nor historical evidence, much less faith, can change such a mindset. At this point I would rather have a root canal then get involved in another discussion with the Baha’i. What I do now is just pray for them. They are Islam’s answer to the Mormons.

 

[1enlighten1]

I got quite involved in conversing with the Baha’is on this forum. No more. What you have found is exactly what I found and came to the conclusion that there is a definite agenda here.
About the only thing I find interesting about the Baha’i faith is from a psychological point of view;** that they have the strange ability to hold contradicting positions simultaneously and believe it is all truth.** No rational thought nor historical evidence, much less faith, can change such a mindset. At this point I would rather have a root canal then get involved in another discussion with the Baha’i. What I do now is just pray for them. They are Islam’s answer to the Mormons.

You summed it up perfectly. It is good to see I am not the only one here feeling that way. BTW, were you also accused of attacking them. I have a feeling this accusation is made so that they can play the victim.

 

[tonyfish58]

I’m not friends with you Baha’is any more :crying: :sad_bye: You are all trying to deceive me. :dts:

I feel insulted :imsorry:. You basically contradicted each other and yourselves multiple times in response to a simple question. :banghead:

May the Lord and the Savior guide you people to the right path.

Dear 1enlighten1 - There is not intent of deception. It just shows that in every Faith everybody is at a different level of understanding.

When we find differences we talk and try to find the Truth.

Is this also not apparent in the Christian Faith?

If you see a contradiction, there will be an explanation, but all may not be aware of it.

We are always willing to dialogue and it is without deception. But dear friend that is your choice to make and I wish you well on your path in the Love of God.

That is also out goal, it would be nice to continue to chat in that light.

God bless all and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

You summed it up perfectly. It is good to see I am not the only one here feeling that way. BTW, were you also accused of attacking them. I have a feeling this accusation is made so that they can play the victim.

Dear 1enlighten1 - I know Matthew and the comment was not meant to offend, I would suggest He will reply to you and explain how that went a bit wrong.

I would suggest Matthew was interested as to why you are looking for Fault in the Writings rather than find what is common between our Faiths. That is dwell on what unites us in the Love of God.

But I will leave that to Him and God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[Servant19]

You summed it up perfectly. It is good to see I am not the only one here feeling that way. BTW, were you also accused of attacking them. I have a feeling this accusation is made so that they can play the victim.

Dear friend,

The mannerism in which you patronize and condescend the Baha’is with the numerous “Tsk” emoticons is unkind.

However, we will entertain your questions

In reality I was unaware of the contents which arthra posted, hence my insistence that Abdu’l-Baha would not do that. So I would take a leaf out of Tonys post above and show some understanding that not all Baha’is know EVERYTHING.

You also did not answer my question about your Farsi fluency

However, there is still no contradiction.

What the Centre of the Covenant dictates is Gospel, absolute and un deviating obedience is shown by ALL Baha’is to that guidance.

Today we face Bahji for our prayers. There is nothing wrong with visiting mosques, collaborating with them and serving humanity with them. I dare to say that a once off praying alongside them is not frowned upon at all. The loving intent and care to understand others beliefs and Faith is all that God looks at.

Was it not a contradiction of understanding during the time of the Apostle Paul and the Jerusalem Assembly, to circumcise or not to circumcise? To break bread with Jews or not to break bread with Jews?

One must reflect on these things too



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[Servant19]

I got quite involved in conversing with the Baha’is on this forum. No more. What you have found is exactly what I found and came to the conclusion that there is a definite agenda here.
About the only thing I find interesting about the Baha’i faith is from a psychological point of view; that they have the strange ability to hold contradicting positions simultaneously and believe it is all truth. No rational thought nor historical evidence, much less faith, can change such a mindset. At this point I would rather have a root canal then get involved in another discussion with the Baha’i. What I do now is just pray for them. They are Islam’s answer to the Mormons.

Hello again Steve, good to hear from you again

It’s saddening to hear that during our conversations in the past it is felt that “only you” provided historical evidence and rational thought.

It’s evident that we are the ones in need of your prayers, and I thank you for them dear friend.

God bless you

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[St_Francis]

That is one way to look at that selection of the quotation.

I assume you think it is an acceptable way of understanding what is written there…

Yes - The Standard if the Prophet themselves, then their Word. Use any other avenue and the Truth can be clouded.

Maybe I am misunderstanding you: you seem to be saying that I should accept the standard of the prophet? So if John Doe from down the road comes and tells me a bunch of stuff about a religion he made up, I should accept *his *standards on whether or not to believe him?

And on what basis does this leave my judgement of the prophet’s teaching? I use his standards to judge what he is teaching?

And this will keep things from getting clouded?

I really think I may not be understanding what you are saying…

The Bible is Full of Prophesy re Mohammed the Bab, and Baha’u’llah, who came after Christ.

Surprising…

One has too look outside current interpretation of “The Bible”

Oh, I see. You find these prophesies by re-interpreting *our *Scriptures! I could probably go through yours and come up with some interesting interpretations… if I gave you standards to go with my interpretation, would you believe me?

The signs of their coming are as copious as were the signs of Jesus and for Baha’u’llah volumes of signs were fulfilled.

If you “look outside current interpretations”…

This shows you that Miracles are not a proof of the Majesty of Christ. It is Christ and His Word that penetrate the Soul.

What is the “this” which shows that miracles are not proof of the Majesty of Christ?

So, Christ performed miracles, but neither Mohammed nor Ba’lla’ullah did, so miracles can’t be considered important. But on what basis do you discount Christ’s miracles? What do you make of His miracles?

The Word is their for us all to see, the Truth is contained within the Word. It is our Prayer and reflection that will bring out the meaning.

And how do you explain the numerous interpretations which come about as the result of each person’s prayer an reflection? (See! We made it back to the original topic. )

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Islam

Thank you very much for providing this information. I had not known how far their influence had extended.

Then you have no choice but to Judge Baha’u’llah with Love and Justice.

It is not my place to judge Baha’u’llah, why would you say this?

This is not a view of the Koran, see this link - quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/the_cqqoncept_of_jihad_%28P1360%29.html

This link shows verses from the Koran which contradict earlier, more peaceful verses. i understand that fhe majority of Moslems are peaceful people, but there is no avoiding the violence that has existed since the beginning, with Mohammed himself.

Unfortunately we still do dear friend in God.

God Bless your Faith and Regards Tony

Yes, so we must always be on the alert, so as to avoid contributing to the chaos.

 

[St_Francis]

Dear 1enlighten1 - I know Matthew and the comment was not meant to offend, I would suggest He will reply to you and explain how that went a bit wrong.

I would suggest Matthew was interested as to why you are looking for Fault in the Writings rather than find what is common between our Faiths. That is dwell on what unites us in the Love of God.

But I will leave that to Him and God Bless and Regards Tony

If all that people did was to concentrate on what exists in common in their respective religions, eventually we would end up witth a tiny circle of mutually compatible teachings, and we would lose the glory of God’s truth. It is in discussing the differences and their sources of those differences that more people are led to the truth, not by ignoring differences.

 

[Servant19]

I assume you think it is an acceptable way of understanding what is written there…

Maybe I am misunderstanding you: you seem to be saying that I should accept the standard of the prophet? So if John Doe from down the road comes and tells me a bunch of stuff about a religion he made up, I should accept *his *standards on whether or not to believe him?

And on what basis does this leave my judgement of the prophet’s teaching? I use his standards to judge what he is teaching?

And this will keep things from getting clouded?

I really think I may not be understanding what you are saying…

Surprising…

Oh, I see. You find these prophesies by re-interpreting *our *Scriptures! I could probably go through yours and come up with some interesting interpretations… if I gave you standards to go with my interpretation, would you believe me?

If you “look outside current interpretations”…

What is the “this” which shows that miracles are not proof of the Majesty of Christ?

So, Christ performed miracles, but neither Mohammed nor Ba’lla’ullah did, so miracles can’t be considered important. But on what basis do you discount Christ’s miracles? What do you make of His miracles?

And how do you explain the numerous interpretations which come about as the result of each person’s prayer an reflection? (See! We made it back to the original topic. )

Thank you very much for providing this information. I had not known how far their influence had extended.

It is not my place to judge Baha’u’llah, why would you say this?

This link shows verses from the Koran which contradict earlier, more peaceful verses. i understand that fhe majority of Moslems are peaceful people, but there is no avoiding the violence that has existed since the beginning, with Mohammed himself.

Yes, so we must always be on the alert, so as to avoid contributing to the chaos.

Dear friend, this is double standards if you were to consider this with the eye of justice.

How is it ok for the Christian community and Christ to interpret the Torah the way they did, in direct opposition to the standards prevalent to the leaders of Judaism, yet it is not ok for the Baha’is and Baha’u’llah to do the same with the New Testament?

Was Christs interpretation of Judaism incorrect?

I ask you therefore to consider Baha’u’llah’s interpretation of Christianity.

No Prophet, no Messiah, no Lord, no Messenger has ever been manifest in earth without the ignorant opposition of the leaders of the older religions.

Yet it has been proven time and time again, from the Prophets of the Old Testament onwards, that it is the LEADERS (so called) of religion that were wrong and were devoid of the Truth.

Christ came and made the arguments of the leaders of Judaism void.

Baha’u’llah has done the same.

The reality is that Christ actually fulfilled, but the Jews see it not.
The reality is that Baha’u’llah actually fulfilled , but the Christians see it not.

I beg you to study seriously the teachings of Baha’u’llah

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[Matthew_Light]

None of Shoghi Effendi’s writings are Baha’i Scripture.

from:
bahai.org/dir/writings

“The writings of Bahá’u’lláh, the Báb, and ‘Abdu’l-Bahá form the sacred scriptures of the Bahá’í Faith. Shoghi Effendi, as appointed Guardian and interpreter, expounded the meaning of the scriptures.”

Regarding letters written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi:

“Although the secretaries of the Guardian convey his thoughts and instructions and these messages are authoritative, their words are in no sense the same as his, their style certainly not the same, and their authority less, for they use their own terms and not his exact words in conveying his messages.” - Letter written on behalf of the Guardian

 

[Matthew_Light]

This link shows verses from the Koran which contradict earlier, more peaceful verses. i understand that fhe majority of Moslems are peaceful people, but there is no avoiding the violence that has existed since the beginning, with Mohammed himself.

“Abrogation” is simply incoherent exegesis. The verses of the Qur’an don’t contradict one another, they supplement and elucidate one another and provide subtlety and context. The “violence” that Muhammad engaged in was self-defensive in nature, and the “violent” verses applied to specific incidents where the specific tribes were waging war against the Muslims.

Do you consider Moses and Elijah and Joshua warmongers too?

Also, the link you provided was to an anti-Muslim hate site. I don’t read sites like that any more than I pay attention to anti-Catholic hate sites like Jack Chick’s rantings and ravings.

 

[arthra]

I think a parallel can be drawn between the development of Christianity as an indenedent religion from Judaism and the emergence of the Baha’i Faith from Islam…

Early Christians and as yuo know those disciples that were around at the time of the crucifixion would visit the Temple… They were considered part of the Jewish community until some obvious points of differences emerged later… issues about circumcision and eating kosher food and so on…

The Bab Himself made pilgrimage to Mecca in and around the pilgrimage seaason in 1260 or so…and announced His mission after the time He had communicated to His closest followers. For awhile there were no definitive instructions about a Qiblih or pilgrimage… The early followers of the Bab would visit Mosques, etc.

After Baha’u’llah was exiled and imprisoned in Akka and He and His family were under a kind of house arrest outside the prison He revealed a series of laws and ordiannces for the Baha’i dispensation around 1871 or so… Today this is known as the Kitab-i-Aqdas and it was eventually revealed among the believers and has shaped the development of the Faith since then.

So you can see I think that the emergence of the new religion was gradual over time…somewhat in the similar way Christianity emerged from Judaism.

 

[St_Francis]

Dear friend, this is double standards if you were to consider this with the eye of justice.

How is it ok for the Christian community and Christ to interpret the Torah the way they did, in direct opposition to the standards prevalent to the leaders of Judaism, yet it is not ok for the Baha’is and Baha’u’llah to do the same with the New Testament?

Was Christs interpretation of Judaism incorrect?

I ask you therefore to consider Baha’u’llah’s interpretation of Christianity.

No Prophet, no Messiah, no Lord, no Messenger has ever been manifest in earth without the ignorant opposition of the leaders of the older religions.

Yet it has been proven time and time again, from the Prophets of the Old Testament onwards, that it is the LEADERS (so called) of religion that were wrong and were devoid of the Truth.

Christ came and made the arguments of the leaders of Judaism void.

Baha’u’llah has done the same.

The reality is that Christ actually fulfilled, but the Jews see it not.
The reality is that Baha’u’llah actually fulfilled , but the Christians see it not.

I beg you to study seriously the teachings of Baha’u’llah

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You misunderstand the different relationship if Christ to the Jews. As God, the “creator” as one might say of Jusaism, He most certainly had the right and authority to complete Judaism.

As to Mohammed and Baha’u’llah, you have not shown that they had any authority at all to “fulfilll.” Catholics do not recognize them because who could follow God Incarnate?

 

[Servant19]

You misunderstand the different relationship if Christ to the Jews. As God, the “creator” as one might say of Jusaism, He most certainly had the right and authority to complete Judaism.

As to Mohammed and Baha’u’llah, you have not shown that they had any authority at all to “fulfilll.” Catholics do not recognize them because who could follow God Incarnate?

Baha’u’llah gives as much evidence of authority as Jesus did to Peter before His crucifixion. What happened during Jesus’ life was sufficient for Peter to acknowledge His Sonship. If Peter were to accompany Baha’u’llah during His time in the 19th century, He would assign Baha’u’llah with the same station.

Who could follow God Incarnate?
How about the Father Incarnate…that is Baha’u’llah



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[Matthew_Light]

I’m not friends with you Baha’is any more.

You know,1enlighten1, aka h123,

You claim that your religion is “The Truth”. And so now I am going to present “The Truth” that you and I already know to the rest of the people on this forum.

The truth is, I treated you like a friend over on bahaiforums. I stood up for you there, I told the Baha’is there to let you talk, and that I felt you were sincere in your beliefs. This despite the fact that you came to that forum solely to attack the Baha’i Faith and try to make it look bad. I knew that, and I knew you were from Iran and had studied the Baha’i Faith solely to attack it. But I believed that you still deserved a chance to redeem yourself, to let go of your hatred, and instead share the beauty of the God you believe in.

I invited you to tell us about the Muslim hajj, about Islamic prayer, about the twelve imams. And you shared your heartfelt beliefs in those areas, and I truly enjoyed reading about them. But then after a couple weeks, you stopped sharing them. Instead you started posting more attacks on Baha’u’llah, on Abdu’l-Baha, and on the Bab. You didn’t want to share your own beliefs any more, you only wanted to attack the Baha’is beliefs. And I sat in silence, deeply saddened to see the effect of hatred on your soul. For months, I just sat there, grieving for you and your behavior.

Daniel, who runs that forum, is a strong believer in freedom of expression. And he allowed you free reign for many months as you continued your crusade against the Baha’i Faith. But finally you went to far. You started a thread so offensive that even Daniel could not allow it to go by without consequence. I cannot post the title here, as it would get me banned from this forum, but here is a link to it:

warning offensive language

You, as you always did there, translated symbolic and metaphoric language in the most offensive literal manner possible, only in the attempt to make the Baha’i Faith look bad. Because that is what you do.

And at long last, Daniel had enough of your behavior, and finally banned you from bahaiforums.

After you got banned,** you came over here to CAF and opened an account that very same day**.

And just as you did in the beginning at Baha’i Forums, you came here and pretended to be friendly to the Baha’is, while asking questions purposely designed to embarrass them. You’ve been studying every negative attack on the Baha’i Faith for years, collecting and compiling them on your website here:

avazedohol.com/eng/

A whois for your website traces to Teheran, Iran, where the government murders and imprisons Baha’is for their faith, even teenage girls:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mona_Mahmudnizhad

Where Baha’is cannot go to school, cannot hold professional jobs, even where Baha’i cemeteries get bulldozed and Baha’i holy sites paved over and turned into parking lots.

huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/14/bahai-cemetery-iran-destroyed_n_5323286.html

Now of course, many Iranians do not support their government’s actions against the Baha’is. And maybe you don’t support their actions either. I don’t know that, and I won’t venture to guess.

But you certainly do hate Baha’u’llah, and attack the Baha’i Faith with such a passion that you’d rather throw mud on Baha’is instead of talking about your own Shia Muslim beliefs, even when invited to do so.

You claim that your religion is “The Truth”. Now I have told everyone the truth about you, and exactly why you are here on CAF.