One correct religion with the Truth (part 2)?

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Servant19 said:
This is a totally incorrect assumption. Why would you conclude this dear friend?

I am not in a position to judge the hearts and souls of anyone dear friend.

All I know is that Baha’u’llah’s Revelation has "unsealed the choice Wine with the fingers of might and power" and graced mankind with the guidance which puts us in right relationship with God for this Age. The “Will of the Father” in this Age, the Last Days, is found in the Revelation of Baha’u’llah

Through the power of the Holy Spirit, we pray that we may be guided to align our lives closer to His stupendous Revelation, the “likes of which mortal eyes have never witnessed”

There are so many factors that come into salvation. The knowledge of God’s Plan, the understanding of His Plan when one encounters it in the form of a new Revelation, the capacity to have strength and courage of conviction to “test” the Revelation in ones life for a suitable period…there are so many factors…and God is merciful, and His mercy exceeds His justice.

Only you know what’s in your heart dear friend, and those websites you gave are not a good place to be, and I am thankful to God that He has enabled me to be a hollow vessel to advise you to stay away from such websites 🙂

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  1. So if you cannot confirm that Christians have been burning in hell since 1892 or 1900 years ago, what gave you the idea that Baha’i is some sort of fulfillment of whatever? And that its own interpretations of our Scriptures are accurate?
  2. Is Baha’i now saying that the Presence of Jesus is no more in the Holy Eucharist?
  3. That we are adoring Him in vain there?
 
Servant19 said:
This is a totally incorrect assumption. Why would you conclude this dear friend?

I am not in a position to judge the hearts and souls of anyone dear friend.

All I know is that Baha’u’llah’s Revelation has "unsealed the choice Wine with the fingers of might and power" and graced mankind with the guidance which puts us in right relationship with God for this Age. The “Will of the Father” in this Age, the Last Days, is found in the Revelation of Baha’u’llah

Through the power of the Holy Spirit, we pray that we may be guided to align our lives closer to His stupendous Revelation, the “likes of which mortal eyes have never witnessed”

There are so many factors that come into salvation. The knowledge of God’s Plan, the understanding of His Plan when one encounters it in the form of a new Revelation, the capacity to have strength and courage of conviction to “test” the Revelation in ones life for a suitable period…there are so many factors…and God is merciful, and His mercy exceeds His justice.

Only you know what’s in your heart dear friend, and those websites you gave are not a good place to be, and I am thankful to God that He has enabled me to be a hollow vessel to advise you to stay away from such websites 🙂

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  1. So if you cannot confirm that Christians have been burning in hell since 1892 or nearly 1900 years ago, what gave you the idea that Baha’i is some sort of fulfillment of whatever? And that its own interpretations of our Scriptures are accurate?
  2. What can Baha’i already confirm?
  3. Is Baha’i now saying that the Presence of Jesus is no more in the Holy Eucharist? That we are adoring Him in vain there?
  4. Since you say that there are many factors to salvation. Name them all.
Frankly Baha’i interpretation of the Christian Scriptures in their own way is no less laughable as me pointing out Jewish websites discussing about the Baha’i faith! What can be more laughable than that?

Still since Baha’i is intend on sharing their message with us, then answer all the questions without going in circles or trying to be diplomatic.
 
JamesCarr said:
  1. So if you cannot confirm that Christians have been burning in hell since 1892 or nearly 1900 years ago, what gave you the idea that Baha’i is some sort of fulfillment of whatever? And that its own interpretations of our Scriptures are accurate?
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Dear friend, have you heard of the de fide teaching of the Catholic Church called Baptism by Implicit Desire?

When one is seeking earnestly and to the best of their capacities to understand, love and be drawn to God according to the guidance given them by the Revelations of God, they too, are included in God’s Salvific Plan.

This does not change in the Baha’i Faith. However one must take into account this question.

Now that you have heard about Baha’u’llah and know that He has claimed to have given mankind the Will of the Father, can you face God and tell Him that you have earnestly sought to do His Will?

This is the question for Baha’is as well, it is a question for all. Only God knows what is in our hearts and how we have responded to His Divine Call 🙂
  1. What can Baha’i already confirm?
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Baha’is can confirm that the Revelation of Baha’u’llah is the Divine Calling for all mankind in this current Age in which we live.
  1. Is Baha’i now saying that the Presence of Jesus is no more in the Holy Eucharist? That we are adoring Him in vain there?
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reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/saq-21.html
  1. Since you say that there are many factors to salvation. Name them all.
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I’m sorry, I am not the Divine Judge. Only He can present all the factors involved in salvation, I mentioned some that I am aware of.

I think you may wish to explore the Baha’i explications of heaven and hell for a better understanding 🙂

reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/saq-60.html
reference.bahai.org/en/t/ab/SAQ/saq-61.html
Frankly Baha’i interpretation of the Christian Scriptures in their own way is no less laughable as me pointing out Jewish websites discussing about the Baha’i faith! What can be more laughable than that?
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Still since Baha’i is intend on sharing their message with us, then answer all the questions without going in circles or trying to be diplomatic.
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Dear friend, it is the duty of all Revelations to correct the straying of the masses from the Truth. Was it not Christ’s Revelation that interpreted the understanding of the Return of Elijah?

The Jews said the same as you “Frankly Christian interpretation of the Jewish Scriptures in their own way is no less laughable…”

Why the double standards?

Let us be just, fair-minded, honest and reasonable and use these Godly virtues to zero in on the truth.

I hope we can avoid the double standards most of all…

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I am sorry, but your Baha’u’llah, as well-intentioned as he may have been, is not Jesus. Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity. He created everything that was created (John 1:1-3).

Your Baha’u’llah was just a philosopher - a good one I’ll admit, but still just a philosopher with his own take on religion and reality.

The idea of combining all religions into one unified system is an admirable pursuit, but it is not what God desires. God desires that everyone come to know Him as he has revealed Himself to us as through the Hebrews, His chosen people, and through His Son Jesus Christ who is the express image of the Father (Heb 1:3). Therefore, if we want to know the Father, we must know the Son.

Jesus handed down His teachings to His apostles and the apostles handed them down through the Catholic Church which wrote and preserved the bible, spread the gospel through the known world, and took pagan cultures and sanctified them - made them holy by integrating what was good in them with what is true in the gospel.

The gospel of Jesus stands on its own merits. It does not need Baha’u’llah or any non-catholic imposter to claim ownership of the gospel.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
PaulDupre1 said:
The gospel of Jesus stands on its own merits.
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Amen to that!

While other faiths seem to want to use the Catholic/Christian Bibles to further their own cause is just :ouch::tsktsk: and purely disrespectful.

Picking and choosing what they like and jettisoning what they don’t like is not focused at all.

Jesus is Lord!

MJ
 
PaulDupre1 said:
I am sorry, but your Baha’u’llah, as well-intentioned as he may have been, is not Jesus. Jesus is God, the second person of the Trinity. He created everything that was created (John 1:1-3).

Your Baha’u’llah was just a philosopher - a good one I’ll admit, but still just a philosopher with his own take on religion and reality.

The idea of combining all religions into one unified system is an admirable pursuit, but it is not what God desires. God desires that everyone come to know Him as he has revealed Himself to us as through the Hebrews, His chosen people, and through His Son Jesus Christ who is the express image of the Father (Heb 1:3). Therefore, if we want to know the Father, we must know the Son.

Jesus handed down His teachings to His apostles and the apostles handed them down through the Catholic Church which wrote and preserved the bible, spread the gospel through the known world, and took pagan cultures and sanctified them - made them holy by integrating what was good in them with what is true in the gospel.

The gospel of Jesus stands on its own merits. It does not need Baha’u’llah or any non-catholic imposter to claim ownership of the gospel.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Hello dear Paul,

Your challenge is to discern what it was that Jesus gave that should warrant the Jews to forsake Moses for Jesus, to forsake the Law, the Law of death, no less (according to Paul)?

What was it that gave legitimacy to Jesus that warranted Him to claim ownership of the Torah?

I think you are correct in praising the Gospel 👍

Abdu’l-Baha categorocally states that:
THIS book is the Holy Book of God, of celestial Inspiration. It is the Bible of Salvation, the Noble Gospel. It is the mystery of the Kingdom and its light. It is the Divine Bounty, the sign of the guidance of God.
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I say Amen to that!

What is it therefore that has caused millions (since the Revelation of Baha’u’llah) of souls to forsake their lives, their families, their livelihoods in pursuit of Baha’u’llah and appealing to His good pleasure?

Finally, are these the Words of a philosopher?

reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/SLH/slh-5.html

God bless you dear friend 🙂

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Servant19 said:
I say Amen to that!

What is it therefore that has caused millions (since the Revelation of Baha’u’llah) of souls to forsake their lives, their families, their livelihoods in pursuit of Baha’u’llah and appealing to His good pleasure?
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And 45 million Sai Baba devotees have done the same.

Still the preaching is unfocused and pulling teachings of different religions.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
And 45 million Sai Baba devotees have done the same.

Still the preaching is unfocused and pulling teachings of different religions.

MJ
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Can you show me where people were asked to recant their Faith in Sai Baba, they refused and were killed for it please.

45 million???

Can you show me the source of this claim please?

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Servant19 said:
Can you show me where people were asked to recant their Faith in Sai Baba, they refused and were killed for it please.

45 million???

Can you show me the source of this claim please?

🙂

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What you should be really concerned about is who is doing the killing. And you are have already veered off the thread subject matter by making it about Bahai. Shameful.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
What you should be really concerned about is who is doing the killing. And you are have already veered off the thread subject matter by making it about Bahai. Shameful.

MJ
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My apologies, so your statement has no source I sense?

Is that correct?
(if 45 million people gave up their lives for Sai Baba, I would not be here)

🙂

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MartinJordan said:
So what?

MJ
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Well it just says to me that you are willing to make stuff up to support your agenda to disparage and persecute the Baha’i religion and its teachings.

I hope I am wrong because I love you Martin 🙂

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Servant19 said:
My apologies, so your statement has no source I sense?

Is that correct?
(if 45 million people gave up their lives for Sai Baba, I would not be here)

🙂

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So you are not interested in learning Salvation history.

MJ
 
Servant19 said:
Well it just says to me that you are willing to make stuff up to support your agenda to disparage and persecute the Baha’i religion and its teachings.

I hope I am wrong because I love you Martin 🙂

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I love you too. Because Jesus told me to. 🙂

I have no agenda except to defend Jesus Crucified, Risen and will come again.

BTW, when did I persecute Bahai?

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
I love you too. Because Jesus told me to. 🙂

I have no agenda except to defend Jesus Crucified, Risen and will come again.

MJ
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And thats why I love you

…so go about this task honestly please. 🙂

There is no other religion in recorded history that has been persecuted by death as much as the Baha’i religion, and yet it grows exponentially…

…this is tesatment to its potency in harnessing the power of the Holy Spirit…

🙂

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MartinJordan said:
BTW, when did I persecute Bahai?

MJ
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When you attempted to equate the persecutions of Baha’is with the followers of Sai Baba…search deep in your heart and tell us if Jesus tells you if they are the same 😦

That saddened me dear friend …

🙂

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Servant19 said:
And thats why I love you

…so go about this task honestly please. 🙂

There is no other religion in recorded history that has been persecuted by death as much as the Baha’i religion, and yet it grows exponentially…

…this is tesatment to its potency in harnessing the power of the Holy Spirit…

🙂

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But this is NOT a Bahai thread. And it’s clear you don’t know who is the Holy Spirit.

MJ
 
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