One correct religion with the Truth (part 2)?

[SteveVH]

Steve, I can elaborate further if you wish but the things that they could not bear at the time was the systematic organisation of the individual, the community and the institutions serving them towards a united purpose of ever- advancement.

Systematic organization of the individual? This is the truth that the people of Jesus’ time could not bear? Human government is the answer to the ills of the world?

No human governmental system can work until people are changed interiorly. That is what Christ does. We become a new creation in Him. As a result of our spiritual transformation through Christ we feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, clothe the naked and give shelter to the homeless. We treat others justly, not because we are told to by a human government but because we are compelled by love. Through Christ we recognize the innate dignity of every human being. We have no need for a government to direct us to do these things. We have no need to be “organized” by an outside entity.

The Baha’i faith has been around for roughly 150 years. It claims that it is changing the world in some new, wonderful way yet we have no evidence whatsoever of this change. Honestly, please give me a concrete example of how the Baha’i faith has changed the world for the better? Not flowery gobbledygook, but real, concrete examples. I will be happy to give you very concrete examples of how Christianity has changed and continues to change the world.

 

[eddie_too]

far more millions of people have been murdered since the bab and Bahaullah’s births than were murdered during all of the years between Jesus’ Ascension and the bab and Bahaullah’s births.

in light of these millions of murders, I do not understand the claim that the world has been made better by the bab and Bahaullah’s lives and teachings.

 

[peace_at_last]

far more millions of people have been murdered since the bab and Bahaullah’s births than were murdered during all of the years between Jesus’ Ascension and the bab and Bahaullah’s births.

in light of these millions of murders, I do not understand the claim that the world has been made better by the bab and Bahaullah’s lives and teachings.

That is one of the main reasons Muslims don’t become Baha’is. The Bab, had declared that he was the Promised Mahdi of Islam. According to Islamic doctrine, the Mahdi was supposed to fill the world with Peace and Justice once and for all and rule over this world. The Bab came and nothing happened except for more chaos, injustice and divisions.

 

[JamesCarr]

Dear friend, have you considered the perspective that what the Founder of a religion teaches and what that religion becomes a thousand years later are not one and the same thing?

Since everything is too literal to you within the Bible, you might as well say that the entire Bible should be cast into the fire because the teachings of that time is not suitable for this age anymore, no? In such a case, you are rejecting everything in the Bible ( except for those bits and pieces that fits Baha’i) and the Catholic Doctrines, except for the Person of Jesus. Am I right to say that, Servant19?

No, it’s the Word of God. Moses never said that someone will come and call His Law the Law of death. God doeth as He willeth…

They are not Jesus’s Words dear friend, they are the words of man from their interpretations. God can correct those words when and if He deems fit and necessary

If such is Baha’is claim that the God’s teachings is everchanging with the ages, and that Baha’u’llah is the apex of all manifestations of God now:

1. Prove me his infallibility as he had claimed and how & what way is he infallible.
2. Show me proof of his miracles then. For God worked miracles in Moses & Jesus, surely Baha’u’llah who is named “Glory of God” will not be exempted. Show me his healings, his resurrection of the dead,etc. Sure the apex of all manifestations from God will show us a wide array of miracles as compared to Jesus and Moses, no?
3. Show me proof of his predictions that came true, since Moses and Jesus also prophesied and it came true.
4. Show me proof of the Bab’s prediction of Baha’u’llah which came true and how did it become fulfilled.

 

[JamesCarr]

Since everything is too literal to you within the Bible, you might as well say that the entire Bible should be cast into the fire because the teachings of that time is not suitable for this age anymore, no? In such a case, you are rejecting everything in the Bible ( except for those bits and pieces that fits Baha’i) and the Catholic Doctrines, except for the Person of Jesus. Am I right to say that, Servant19?

If such is Baha’is claim that the God’s teachings is ever-changing with the ages, and that Baha’u’llah is the apex of all manifestations of God now:

1. Prove me his infallibility as he had claimed and how & what way is he infallible.
2. Show me proof of his miracles then. For God worked miracles in Moses & Jesus, surely Baha’u’llah who is named “Glory of God” will not be exempted. Show me his healings, his resurrection of the dead,etc. Sure the apex of all manifestations from God will show us a wide array of miracles as compared to Jesus and Moses, no?
3. Show me proof of his predictions that came true, since Moses and Jesus also prophesied and it came true.
4. Show me proof of the Bab’s prediction of Baha’u’llah which came true and how did it become fulfilled.

While you answer the questions posed above, dear friend, here’s proof why Jesus is not a mere manifestation of God, as claimed by Baha’ism.

John 8:48-59

53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’[a] 55 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Look carefully here:

"before Abraham was, I Am."

What had Jesus been saying? Following is a list of some key statements by Jesus in chapter 8.
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“I am the light of the world” (8:12).
“I am He who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of me” (8:18).
“You don’t know me or my Father” (8:19).
“You are from below, I am from above” (8:23).
“Unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins” (8:24).
“The things which I heard from Him [God the Father], these I speak to the world” (8:26).
“I speak these things as the Father taught me” (8:28).
“I always do the things that are pleasing to Him” (8:29).
“I speak the things which I have seen with My Father . . . " (8:38).
" . . . you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God, this Abraham did not do” (8:40).
" . . . I proceeded forth and have come from God . . . " (8:42).
“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death” (8:51).
"It is my Father who glorifies Me . . . " (8:54).
“Before Abraham was, I am” (8:58).**

He did not say the Spirit of God, or the Holy Spirit, or the Helper. And did Jesus say He is the Holy Spirit, and He always talks about the Holy Spirit as being a different entity altogether.

Can you find me proof in the Bible that Jesus said He is the Holy Spirit?

He is true God from true God. To argue that Jesus is the Spirit of God or a mere manifestation is faulty interpretation.

 

[Servant19]

Systematic organization of the individual? This is the truth that the people of Jesus’ time could not bear? Human government is the answer to the ills of the world?

Dear friend Steve,

Maybe you misunderstood, in this Age what is required is the transformation of the individual, the community AND its institutions concurrently, not, I repeat, not independently…

Again, might I familiarise you with your own religion (said with love and respect to you dear brother)

It is the task of today’s generation to recognize and consciously to accept these new world dynamics for the achievement of a universal common good. Of course, this transformation will be made at the cost of a gradual, balanced transfer of a part of each nation’s powers to a world Authority and to regional Authorities, but this is necessary at a time when the dynamism of human society and the economy and the progress of technology are transcending borders, which are in fact already very eroded in a globalized world.

The birth of a new society and the building of new institutions with a universal vocation and competence are a prerogative and a duty for everyone, without distinction. What is at stake is the common good of humanity and the future itself.

In this context, for every Christian there is a special call of the Spirit to become committed decisively and generously so that the many dynamics under way will be channelled towards prospects of fraternity and the common good. An immense amount of work is to be done towards the integral development of peoples and of every person. As the Fathers said at the Second Vatican Council, this is a mission that is both social and spiritual, which “to the extent that the former can contribute to the better ordering of human society, it is of vital concern to the Kingdom of God”(24).

In a world on its way to rapid globalization, ***orientation towards a world Authority becomes the only horizon compatible with the new realities of our time and the needs of humankind. ***However, it should not be forgotten that this development, given wounded human nature, will not come about without anguish and suffering.

Through the account of the Tower of Babel (Genesis 11:1-9), the Bible warns us how the “diversity” of peoples can turn into a vehicle for selfishness and an instrument of division. In humanity there is a real risk that peoples will end up not understanding each other and that cultural differences will lead to irremediable oppositions. The image of the Tower of Babel also warns us that we must avoid a “unity” that is only apparent, where selfishness and divisions endure because the foundations of the society are not stable. In both cases, Babel is the image of what peoples and individuals can become when they do not recognize their intrinsic, transcendent dignity and brotherhood.

The spirit of Babel is the antithesis of the Spirit of Pentecost (Acts 2:1-12), of God’s design for the whole of humanity: that is, unity in truth. Only a spirit of concord that rises above divisions and conflicts will allow humanity to be authentically one family and to conceive of a new world with the creation of a world public Authority at the service of the common good"

• vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/justpeace/documents/rc_pc_justpeace_doc_20111024_nota_en.html#4._Towards_Reforming_the_International_Financial_and_Monetary_Systems_in_a_way_that_Responds_to_the_Needs_of_all_Peoples

A government is indeed the direction the Vatican wishes to take…

No human governmental system can work until people are changed interiorly. That is what Christ does. We become a new creation in Him.

Dear, friend, I would suggest that those who are elected to serve on Baha’i institutions are amongst the most humble in society. Think not that they would be elected to serve the peoples of the community (especially since there is no electioneering in Baha’i elections) if they were selfish, bigoted, sinful, and full of arrogance and pride. OF COURSE, these are individuals who’s sole purpose is to selflessly serve every single person they encounter.

“Let your heart burn with loving kindness for all who cross your path” - Baha’u’llah

Not let your heart be loving, but BURN with love.
Not love towards those who are in your religion, or race, but for ALL who cross your path.

Baha’is and Catholics have the same aspiration and through the grace of God have shown to be similarly endowed with the Holy Spirit.

Amen!

 

[Servant19]

As a result of our spiritual transformation through Christ we feed the hungry, give water to the thirsty, clothe the naked and give shelter to the homeless. We treat others justly, not because we are told to by a human government but because we are compelled by love.
Through Christ we recognize the innate dignity of every human being. We have no need for a government to direct us to do these things. We have no need to be “organized” by an outside entity.

The Catholic teachings seem to disagree with you. A global Authority is being called for. As a result of our spiritual transformation through the Divine Christ, Baha’is are also feeding the hungry, give water to the thirsty, clothe the naked etc etc. There is no difference, except that Baha’is are engaged in long term sustainable change to these problems, AS WELL

bahai.org/frontiers/

(please study the section on India, and compare with some of the existing caste problems here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_among_Indian_Christians)

The Baha’i faith has been around for roughly 150 years. It claims that it is changing the world in some new, wonderful way yet we have no evidence whatsoever of this change. Honestly, please give me a concrete example of how the Baha’i faith has changed the world for the better? Not flowery gobbledygook, but real, concrete examples. I will be happy to give you very concrete examples of how Christianity has changed and continues to change the world.

Baha’i adherent numbers are small, but very very widespread, and there is no way that the Faith will blow its own trumpet. You are all invited to go and observe the works of Baha’is at your local community to see how they intend to change the world, one heart at a time…

The video above will hopefully provide some insights.



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[Servant19]

far more millions of people have been murdered since the bab and Bahaullah’s births than were murdered during all of the years between Jesus’ Ascension and the bab and Bahaullah’s births.

Dear eddie, please let’s not fall for the dark and dismal trap of making statements that have zero evidence just to belittle blindly the face of our Lord.

Do you have any evidence for this statement at all?

in light of these millions of murders, I do not understand the claim that the world has been made better by the bab and Bahaullah’s lives and teachings.

It has been officially recorded that there are less wars today than there has ever been in recorded history, and we are at our least violent than at any time since the beginning of recorded human history, thanks to the infinite bestowals, and confirmative grace Baha’u’llah has showered upon humanity.

scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/steven-pinker-violence-is-lower-tha-11-10-18/

Please let is be fair in our judgement and show humility in our search for truth. What if Baha’u’llah really is your Lord, the Father?



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[Servant19]

I agree dear brother

So where do you think my Faith in Baha’u’llah comes from?

To come here and share the love of Baha’u’llah takes tremendous courage and Faith. Where did this Faith come from?

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Dear brother eddie too

Would you mind answering the questions I posed to you dear brother? (Quoted above)

Thankyou dear one!

God bless you!

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[Servant19]

That is one of the main reasons Muslims don’t become Baha’is. The Bab, had declared that he was the Promised Mahdi of Islam. According to Islamic doctrine, the Mahdi was supposed to fill the world with Peace and Justice once and for all and rule over this world. The Bab came and nothing happened except for more chaos, injustice and divisions.

Dear servant of Allah

Might I remind you that Jesus had declared that he was the Promised Messiah of Judaism. According to Jewish doctrine, the Messiah was supposed to fill the world with Peace and Justice once and for all and rule over this world. The Christ came and nothing happened except for more chaos, injustice and divisions.

I pray the following every day:

Where is our fairness in judging, O Judge of the Worlds!

Allah be with you!



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[Servant19]

Since everything is too literal to you within the Bible, you might as well say that the entire Bible should be cast into the fire because the teachings of that time is not suitable for this age anymore, no? In such a case, you are rejecting everything in the Bible ( except for those bits and pieces that fits Baha’i) and the Catholic Doctrines, except for the Person of Jesus. Am I right to say that, Servant19?

Hello there James. Again I feel you have misrepresented the Bahai teachings. What you wrote here is incorrect. There are several eternal spiritual truths found in the Bible which are forever relevant. These truths include the spiritual values which are the gifts of the spirit, love for all, reverence for all living things, forgiveness, humility, detachment from the things of this world, an understanding, compassionate heart, and charity. These are the Truths which the Buddha too said were eternal.

The ways in which we APPLY these spiritual gifts in society changes. Simply because society has evolved, and we are becoming more and more conscious of our material existence, and society is always changing.

What does love, forgiveness, humility and compassion look like in this stage of human societal development?

How can we create an environment where the opportunities for an individual to be loving, forgiving, humble and compassionate are MAXIMIZED

These social teachings change from age to age, from Manifestation of God to Manifestation of God. So you see, the Bible is very much valid today, but if you are going to tell me off for worshipping God and praying in a different manner to you, then I would suggest you have erred. Prayer is an inner condition and no one can judge the “outer” manner without knowing the inner condition. And only God knows that…

Ponder these things in your heart dear brother

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[Servant19]

Since everything is too literal to you within the Bible, you might as well say that the entire Bible should be cast into the fire because the teachings of that time is not suitable for this age anymore, no? In such a case, you are rejecting everything in the Bible ( except for those bits and pieces that fits Baha’i) and the Catholic Doctrines, except for the Person of Jesus. Am I right to say that, Servant19?

If such is Baha’is claim that the God’s teachings is everchanging with the ages, and that Baha’u’llah is the apex of all manifestations of God now:

1. Prove me his infallibility as he had claimed and how & what way is he infallible.
2. Show me proof of his miracles then. For God worked miracles in Moses & Jesus, surely Baha’u’llah who is named “Glory of God” will not be exempted. Show me his healings, his resurrection of the dead,etc. Sure the apex of all manifestations from God will show us a wide array of miracles as compared to Jesus and Moses, no?
3. Show me proof of his predictions that came true, since Moses and Jesus also prophesied and it came true.
4. Show me proof of the Bab’s prediction of Baha’u’llah which came true and how did it become fulfilled.

Wonderful questions dear James

The genuineness of your questioning tells me that you would find a great deal of insights into the true teachings of the Bahai Faith and the historical aspects you are searching for in the following website:

info.bahai.org

Please feel free to quote from the website if anything contained therein is troubling you in any way dear friend

God bless you!

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[Servant19]

While you answer the questions posed above, dear friend, here’s proof why Jesus is not a mere manifestation of God, as claimed by Baha’ism.

John 8:48-59

53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’[a] 55 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I Am.” 59 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Look carefully here:

"before Abraham was, I Am."

What had Jesus been saying? Following is a list of some key statements by Jesus in chapter 8.
**
“I am the light of the world” (8:12).
“I am He who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of me” (8:18).
“You don’t know me or my Father” (8:19).
“You are from below, I am from above” (8:23).
“Unless you believe that I am, you shall die in your sins” (8:24).
“The things which I heard from Him [God the Father], these I speak to the world” (8:26).
“I speak these things as the Father taught me” (8:28).
“I always do the things that are pleasing to Him” (8:29).
“I speak the things which I have seen with My Father . . . " (8:38).
" . . . you are seeking to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth, which I heard from God, this Abraham did not do” (8:40).
" . . . I proceeded forth and have come from God . . . " (8:42).
“Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death” (8:51).
"It is my Father who glorifies Me . . . " (8:54).
“Before Abraham was, I am” (8:58).**

Dear friend, thankyou I am familiar with these things you kindly have listed. And I fully endorse and agree with them, wholeheartedly.

The question, therefore, is, what sort of crazy mind would not be a Christian, but rather a Bahai, given what Jesus stated about His mighty station.
(Actually, let’s be honest, what sort of crazy mind would not be a Hindu, given what Lord Krsna stated about His almighty station?? Let’s be really honest here)

He did not say the Spirit of God, or the Holy Spirit, or the Helper. And did Jesus say He is the Holy Spirit, and He always talks about the Holy Spirit as being a different entity altogether.

Can you find me proof in the Bible that Jesus said He is the Holy Spirit?

Dear friend, I cannot recall ever calling Jesus a spirit or the Holy Spirit, I’m a bit lost here

He is true God from true God. To argue that Jesus is the Spirit of God or a mere manifestation is faulty interpretation.

May I humbly ask you what you think is the meaning of the phrase “Manifestation of God”?

Please note the words of St.Peter here:

1Pe 1:20
“He was destined before the foundation of the world but was made manifest at the end of the times for your sake.”

Might I also ask dear friend, when you say that Jesus is “true God from true God”, are these the words of Jesus, or are they man-made extrapolations concluded from the actual Word of God you listed above?

Thankyou dear friend

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[JamesCarr]

Wonderful questions dear James
The genuineness of your questioning tells me that you would find a great deal of insights into the true teachings of the Bahai Faith and the historical aspects you are searching for in the following website:

info.bahai.org

Do me a favor, dear friend. Pull out the exact links pertaining to the questions please, at least…in the same way I took the time to pull out the exact verses for you. Thank you.

May I humbly ask you what you think is the meaning of the phrase “Manifestation of God”?

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According to ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, the divine Manifestations of God must be distinguished above any other person in every aspect and qualification, in order that they can effectively train and educate people. In another place he says, “the essential requirement and qualification of Prophethood is the training and guidance of the people.”

In essence, the Manifestations of God are seen as Divine Educators, who are raised up by God with the purpose of uplifting mankind and expressing His will. In expressing God’s intent, these Manifestations are seen to establish religion in the world and each one brings a book, and reveals teachings and laws according to the time and place which they appear.

Bahá’u’lláh referred to several historical figures as Manifestations. They include Adam, Noah, Zoroaster, Krishna, Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. The Báb, as well as Himself, were included in this definition. Thus religious history is interpreted as a series of dispensations, where each Manifestation brings a somewhat broader and more advanced revelation, suited for the time and place in which it was expressed.

Source: bahaikipedia.org/Manifestation_of_God​

Bahai simply equated Jesus together with Moses, Buddha, Baha’u’llah, etc. But all of them are not sinless while Jesus alone is sinless. And he proved His Divinity by rising from the dead. Did Baha’u’llah rise from the dead bodily?

But I think the reasoning behind the term “Manifestation of God” is going to go in circles again, so I think its best to cut to the chase here while you provide me the exact details pertaining to the previous questions.

If such is Baha’is claim that the God’s teachings is everchanging with the ages, and that Baha’u’llah is the apex of all manifestations of God now:

1. Prove me his infallibility as he had claimed and how & what way is he infallible.
2. Show me proof of his miracles then. For God worked miracles in Moses & Jesus, surely Baha’u’llah who is named “Glory of God” will not be exempted. Show me his healings, his resurrection of the dead,etc. Sure the apex of all manifestations from God will show us a wide array of miracles as compared to Jesus and Moses, no?
3. Show me proof of his predictions that came true, since Moses and Jesus also prophesied and it came true.
4. Show me proof of the Bab’s prediction of Baha’u’llah which came true and how did it become fulfilled.

Also, I need answers below clearly:

Do Bahai believe Jesus is God, and that Jesus existed together with the Father before the creation of the world?

Do Bahai believe Jesus died on the cross to pay the debt of our sins?

Now this next question is the crux.
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Do Bahai believe in the physical & bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, true God from true God?**

Thank you dear friend

 

[peace_at_last]

Dear servant of Allah

Might I remind you that Jesus had declared that he was the Promised Messiah of Judaism. According to Jewish doctrine, the Messiah was supposed to fill the world with Peace and Justice once and for all and rule over this world. The Christ came and nothing happened except for more chaos, injustice and divisions.

I pray the following every day:

Where is our fairness in judging, O Judge of the Worlds!

Allah be with you!



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Dear Servant of Baha’u’llah,

Christians believe Jesus fulfilled half the Jewish prophecies about the Messiah and the second half about world peace will be fulfilled in the second coming thus the prophecy has yet to be fulfilled

Islamic Prophecy affirms this and claims the Mahdi and Jesus will come together to establish world peace.

The Bab claims he is the Mahdi and Baha’u’llah claims he is the second coming of Jesus but none have fulfilled the Prophecies of Islam, Christianity, or Judaism about world peace

 

[SteveVH]

Dear friend Steve,

Maybe you misunderstood, in this Age what is required is the transformation of the individual, the community AND its institutions concurrently, not, I repeat, not independently…

Again, might I familiarise you with your own religion (said with love and respect to you dear brother)

A government is indeed the direction the Vatican wishes to take…

Thank you, Servant, I am familiar with this. Of course the Universal (Catholic) Church is concerned about justice in the entire world. Our Church exists throughout the entire world and is the largest provider of relief from suffering that has ever existed. Our Church is walking the talk.

My entire point, however, is that even as immersed in acts of mercy and charity in this world as the Church is, its primary purpose for existing is for the salvation of our souls; the transformation of the individual into a new creation. And it is only then that justice will be meted out across the globe. We can’t get the cart before the horse. A global authority cannot transform a man’s interior life. But a man transformed by Christ can transform the world around him.

The Baha’i end game seems to focus on this world. The Catholic end game is eternal life as adopted sons and daughters of our Lord.

Dear, friend, I would suggest that those who are elected to serve on Baha’i institutions are amongst the most humble in society. Think not that they would be elected to serve the peoples of the community (especially since there is no electioneering in Baha’i elections) if they were selfish, bigoted, sinful, and full of arrogance and pride. OF COURSE, these are individuals who’s sole purpose is to selflessly serve every single person they encounter.

And they are flawed, fallen human beings just like the rest of us. I have no issue at all with the desire of the Baha’i to create a just and merciful world. But it cannot be accomplished by well meaning human beings. It can’t happen without first being interiorly transformed by Christ.

Peace.

Steve

 

[Servant19]

Hello James, I will try and answer the questions for you below. I hope you had a wonderful weekend

1. Prove me his infallibility as he had claimed and how & what way is he infallible.

The proof is in the fruits of His Spirit dear friend. There is one, united Baha’i global community, bound by an unbreakable Covenant. Many have tried to cause schisms, none have succeeded, and never will. The Divine Guidance is clear and unequivocal, the Baha’i world community knows who is the Supreme Authority to turn to throughout the future centuries, and that is the Universal House of Justice.

This single, undivided community is the most widespread united religious community on the planet, and each member is working towards one Universal Cause, one Common Faith.
info.bahai.org/covenant-of-bahaullah.html

The second proof is in the miraculous life of the Bab, (the forerunner to Baha’u"llah) who categorically stated that He was like a ring on Baha’u’llah’s finger with which He would turn and play with at His pleasure…

Read more about the Bab here:
info.bahai.org/the-bab-forerunner.html

Then there is the Divine Person of Baha’u’llah:
info.bahai.org/bahaullah-manifestation-of-god.html

1. Show me proof of his miracles then. For God worked miracles in Moses & Jesus, surely Baha’u’llah who is named “Glory of God” will not be exempted. Show me his healings, his resurrection of the dead,etc. Sure the apex of all manifestations from God will show us a wide array of miracles as compared to Jesus and Moses, no?

No dear friend, miracles are only a proof to those who witness them. Otherwise who would deny the Truth that Jesus walked on water, and Moses played with the Red Sea like play dough? Millions deny these Divine Beings to this very day and deny these miracles happened. So what benefit is the countless miracles of the Bab and Baha’u’llah to you who wishes to do nothing but deny and find fault? Are you different to the Jew who calls the life of Jesus a “fairy tale”?? Let us be glaringly honest here

Secondly, which is the greater miracle? Walking on water or causing a woman to dedicate her entire life to the service of the poor and needy in His name?

Nevertheless, I would ask you to study the life of the Bab (you should have read that already, right?), especially the circumstances surrounding His martyrdom…

1. Show me proof of his predictions that came true, since Moses and Jesus also prophesied and it came true.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27%C3%AD_prophecies

If you want even more prophetic words that have come true or are coming true then please read this:
spirittop.weebly.com/uploads/8/6/9/5/8695064/heart2heart_prophecies-and-predictions.pdf

1. Show me proof of the Bab’s prediction of Baha’u’llah which came true and how did it become fulfilled.

peyman.info/cl/Baha%27i/Others/ROB/V1/p294-314Ch18.html
(might I say that this is an excellent read…the whole book in fact)

Thankyou dear friend.



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[Servant19]

Do me a favor, dear friend. Pull out the exact links pertaining to the questions please, at least…in the same way I took the time to pull out the exact verses for you. Thank you.

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According to ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, the divine Manifestations of God must be distinguished above any other person in every aspect and qualification, in order that they can effectively train and educate people. In another place he says, “the essential requirement and qualification of Prophethood is the training and guidance of the people.”

In essence, the Manifestations of God are seen as Divine Educators, who are raised up by God with the purpose of uplifting mankind and expressing His will. In expressing God’s intent, these Manifestations are seen to establish religion in the world and each one brings a book, and reveals teachings and laws according to the time and place which they appear.

Bahá’u’lláh referred to several historical figures as Manifestations. They include Adam, Noah, Zoroaster, Krishna, Abraham, Moses, Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. The Báb, as well as Himself, were included in this definition. Thus religious history is interpreted as a series of dispensations, where each Manifestation brings a somewhat broader and more advanced revelation, suited for the time and place in which it was expressed.

Source: bahaikipedia.org/Manifestation_of_God​

Bahai simply equated Jesus together with Moses, Buddha, Baha’u’llah, etc. But all of them are not sinless while Jesus alone is sinless. And he proved His Divinity by rising from the dead. Did Baha’u’llah rise from the dead bodily?

But I think the reasoning behind the term “Manifestation of God” is going to go in circles again, so I think its best to cut to the chase here while you provide me the exact details pertaining to the previous questions.

There is no circling when you realise that the World of the Kingdom is co-eternal with God, but is not God, PROVING that co-eternality can exist without it being God.

As blessed St. Peter stated, Jesus is a “MANIFESTATION” of that Kingdom. Baha’u’llah is another Manifestation of that Kingdom. UNfortunately, in this world of distinctions and separations, called Planet Earth, human beings, though they be the same identity in the Kingdom CANNOT be the same identity in their human condition. They look different, they speak differently, the live differently, and they die differently.



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[Servant19]

Also, I need answers below clearly:

Do Bahai believe Jesus is God,

NO

and that Jesus existed together with the Father before the creation of the world?

YES

Do Bahai believe Jesus died on the cross to pay the debt of our sins?

YES

Now this next question is the crux.
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Do Bahai believe in the physical & bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, true God from true God?**

Thank you dear friend

Not physical (just as He didn’t ascend into physical clouds) but glorified, spiritual body, as clearly stated by Paul in Corinthians. (and His ascension into spiritual clouds, representing the spiritual heaven)



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[Servant19]

Dear Servant of Baha’u’llah,

Christians believe Jesus fulfilled half the Jewish prophecies about the Messiah and the second half about world peace will be fulfilled in the second coming thus the prophecy has yet to be fulfilled

Islamic Prophecy affirms this and claims the Mahdi and Jesus will come together to establish world peace.

The Bab claims he is the Mahdi and Baha’u’llah claims he is the second coming of Jesus but none have fulfilled the Prophecies of Islam, Christianity, or Judaism about world peace

Let us again be honest here dear friend.

When Christians make up the rules which Jews made, then we have a problem. No Jewish document ever states that the Messiah will come, fulfill half of the prophecies, then goes away for millenia and will return to fulfill the rest. Not one Jewish prophecy states this. But you still believe in Jesus, right?

In like manner, no Christian or Islamic prophecy about the Mahdi/Return of Jesus Christ states that these events will come about, but the PERIOD for the establishment of universal peace will be gradually built. For Baha’u’llah and the Bab are still alive, and their work is not finished here on earth.

If Jesus can provide His own interpretations to prove His Messiah-ship, then the Bab and Baha’u’llah too can provide their own interpretations to prove their respective stations

“…and verily, Allah knows best”

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