"one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church"

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Muskiest said:
It doesn’t, which is why we believe that Christ is not present in the Eucharist of a Lutheran service. The quote you presented simply affirms that we share a belief in the Real Presence. On where that Presence exists, we disagree.
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Your belief appears iinconsistent with the Catholic Church.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
The quote is what has been posted per the Pontifcal Council for Promoting Christian Unity
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You misunderstand that quote; the PCPCU is simply saying that we both affirm the Real Presence, not that we both have valid consecrations.
 
JamesTheJust said:
You misunderstand that quote; the PCPCU is simply saying that we both affirm the Real Presence, not that we both have valid consecrations.
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I ask again, how can a consecration where both the Catholic and Lutheran churches affirm Christ’s Real Presence in the Sacrament be invalid? That is not what the Dialogue is proclaiming.
 
The Dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics has leveled the playing field, so to speak. The ramifications leave no other choice but reunification is how I see it. Should I become Roman Catholic?
 
EvangelCatholic said:
The Dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics has leveled the playing field, so to speak. The ramifications leave no other choice but reunification is how I see it. Should I become Roman Catholic?
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Of course.

And I love how you see that reunification is in the future. Implicit in that statement is the acknowledgement that it is not our current state.

In the past, you seemed to suggest that we were already ONE.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
The Dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics has leveled the playing field, so to speak. The ramifications leave no other choice but reunification is how I see it. Should I become Roman Catholic?
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If you have faith in the Church and all her doctrines, please do! 🙂
 
My personal relationship to the Catholic church goes back to childhood/ family ties and an early exposure to religious communities. I have always felt “comfortable” w/ Catholics and in their churches. So in that sense, I am Lutheran “catholic”.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
My personal relationship to the Catholic church goes back to childhood/ family ties and an early exposure to religious communities. I have always felt “comfortable” w/ Catholics and in their churches. So in that sense, I am Lutheran “catholic”.
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We want you to be able to come and receive Him with us at Our Table.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
My personal relationship to the Catholic church goes back to childhood/ family ties and an early exposure to religious communities. I have always felt “comfortable” w/ Catholics and in their churches. So in that sense, I am Lutheran “catholic”.
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If you truly have no argument against joining the Catholic Church I’d say go for it.

Even if widespread reunification occurred between Catholics and Lutherans it would mean Lutherans becoming Catholic not Catholics becoming Lutheran. 🙂
 
Jon_S said:
If you truly have no argument against joining the Catholic Church I’d say go for it.

Even if widespread reunification occurred between Catholics and Lutherans it would mean Lutherans becoming Catholic not Catholics becoming Lutheran. 🙂
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It means Lutherans coming home as Lutheran rite.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
It means Lutherans coming home as Lutheran rite.
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Sure that’s a possibility.

But a Lutheran rite would be required to have its bishops and priests properly ordained and would have to accept “all that the Catholic Church teaches”.

Hopefully that will happen.
 
Jon_S said:
Sure that’s a possibility.

But a Lutheran rite would be required to have its bishops and priests properly ordained and would have to accept “all that the Catholic Church teaches”.

Hopefully that will happen.
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Francis rightly raises ethical and anthropology issues with Lutherans who have female priests and gay bishops. That is why we are separate but seeking Francis to leads us to unity.
In light of this decades-long journey and of the many examples of fraternal communion between Lutherans and Catholics which we have witnessed, and encouraged by faith in the grace given to us in the Lord Jesus Christ, I am certain that we will continue our journey of dialogue and of communion, addressing fundamental questions as well as differences in the fields of anthropology and ethics. Certainly, there is no lack of difficulties, and none will lack in the future.
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EvangelCatholic said:
Yes, it is hard for Lutherans to justify being separate from the Catholic Church of today and why we pray for Francis. Sombering reality for Lutherans is that the Dialogue means acceptance of the papacy.
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So … the dialogue that’s been happening thus far isn’t a real dialogue, or how does that work? 🤷 (I guess that would also mean that the Orthodox-Catholic dialogue isn’t a real dialogue either.)
 
EvangelCatholic said:
The Dialogue between Lutherans and Catholics has leveled the playing field, so to speak. The ramifications leave no other choice but reunification is how I see it. Should I become Roman Catholic?
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PRmerger said:
Of course.

And I love how you see that reunification is in the future. Implicit in that statement is the acknowledgement that it is not our current state.

In the past, you seemed to suggest that we were already ONE.
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Good point, PRmerger.

If I might piggy-back on that I would say, EC, that your post indicates not only that we are not yet united, but also that we are not terribly close – if we were, then it wouldn’t make sense for you leave Lutheranism for Catholicism.

(For an example of Churches being very close, see the letter quoted here.)
 
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