One Pro life argument - does miscarriage mean the greatest abortionist is God?

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How do you distinguish between a living stomach cell and a human being?
I’m not sure if your question is serious or not, but I will operate on the assumption that it is and you do not know the difference between a human and a cell.

A human being is a hylomorphic individual, a single substance resultant from the determination of matter (the body) by a human form (the soul). Being capable of reasoning, he verifies the philosophical definition of a person: “the individual substance of a rational nature”. A human is a substance, corporeal, living, sentient, and rational.

The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual.
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355 "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him, male and female he created them."218 Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is “in the image of God”; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material worlds; (III) he is created “male and female”; (IV) God established him in his friendship.

356 Of all visible creatures only man is “able to know and love his creator”.219 He is “the only creature on earth that God has willed for its own sake”,220 and he alone is called to share, by knowledge and love, in God’s own life. It was for this end that he was created, and this is the fundamental reason for his dignity:

What made you establish man in so great a dignity? Certainly the incalculable love by which you have looked on your creature in yourself! You are taken with love for her; for by love indeed you created her, by love you have given her a being capable of tasting your eternal Good.221

357 Being in the image of God the human individual possesses the dignity of a person, who is not just something, but someone. He is capable of self-knowledge, of self-possession and of freely giving himself and entering into communion with other persons. And he is called by grace to a covenant with his Creator, to offer him a response of faith and love that no other creature can give in his stead.
 
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362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.

363 In Sacred Scripture the term “soul” often refers to human life or the entire human person.230 But “soul” also refers to the innermost aspect of man, that which is of greatest value in him,231 that by which he is most especially in God’s image: “soul” signifies the spiritual principle in man.

364 The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232

Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233

365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.

366 The Church teaches that every spiritual soul is created immediately by God - it is not “produced” by the parents - and also that it is immortal: it does not perish when it separates from the body at death, and it will be reunited with the body at the final Resurrection.235

367 Sometimes the soul is distinguished from the spirit: St. Paul for instance prays that God may sanctify his people “wholly”, with “spirit and soul and body” kept sound and blameless at the Lord’s coming.236 The Church teaches that this distinction does not introduce a duality into the soul.237 “Spirit” signifies that from creation man is ordered to a supernatural end and that his soul can gratuitously be raised beyond all it deserves to communion with God.238

368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one’s being, where the person decides for or against God.239
 
A stomach cell is an epithelial cell that secretes hydrochloric acid and intrinsic factor. Many of these cells are combined to make up the organ known as the stomach, which functions to break down food for digestion.

A cell is the smallest structural and functional unit of an organism, typically microscopic and consisting of cytoplasm and a nucleus enclosed in a membrane.

Within the cytoplasm of the cell is an organelle called lysosome, which contains digestive enzymes and basically functions as a “stomach” for a cell.

So, just as a lysosome is a part of but not a stomach cell, and a stomach cell is part of but not a stomach, and a stomach is part of, but not a human body, an individual stomach cell is not a human being because it lacks a human soul, which is the form of the body, made in the image of God. It also lacks the rest of the matter that makes up the human body, as well as the ends of human existence, which is to know God, love God, and serve God in this life, so as to be eternally happy with Him in the next.

Another example, is a city within a country is not the same as the country. Chicago, IL or Topeka, KS on their own are not the United States of America. While they reside within and are a part of the USA, they are not the equivalent of the whole of the USA. Their form, matter, and ends are drastically different.
 
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No. I agree. Similar to how it is said that a single immoral choice is worse than all the natural disasters of human history. If there is no free will involved, why should it upset us?
Actually with an omniscient creator deity at the helm of a universe natural “disasters” are not technically disasters.

If this deity made everything, from cute lil’ bunny rabbits, human emotions, hawaiian sunsets etc…He also made Tsunamis, Hurricanes and Volcanic Eruptions with the foreknowledge and thus intention that they will slaughter untold millions of living things across the millenia (he still made them exactly as is, despite having the power to shape the universe to his taste spontaneously) .

Disaster implies an accident. For humans Hurricane Katrina was a terrible accident since while the dams could have been of better quality I’m quite confident New Orleans didn’t order extreme weather to consume their population. However, when you’ve got someone who not only made the hurricane, but knows exactly what it’s going to do…That’s not an accident, that’s not even neglect. That’s direct intent and will.
Have you read C.S. Lewis’ Mere Christianity? He poses a similar question, “Is this state of affairs in accordance with God’s will or not? If it is, He is a strange God, you will say: and if it is not, how can anything happen contrary

to the will of a being with absolute power?”
I have 🙂 Mere Christianity and the Screwtape letters are standard reading for many people who have later become Atheists, looking into it usually for some assurance or affirmation of what they’re trying to hold onto. Lewis seems to have taken place almost as an oracle in this regard, I was especially perplexed at the time why as a Catholic I would have been recommended the work of a schismatic.

Not especially to my taste, particularly in how hard Lewis tries to spin faith as something rational when doctrines like the Trinity are anything but intuitive.
 
But then you say evil isn’t an absence of good. I’m sorry I’m not following you.
I’m saying evil is a perspective.

Let’s continue with the homophobia example. As a Catholic on a middle-road conservative forum I am going to assume you hold that Same Sex Marriage is an abomination and should be fought against tooth and nail. You hold this opinion presumably because your religion teaches you that God dislikes it and error has no right to exist.

As an Atheist on the other hand who has yet to become a Marian seer or mystic I have no motivation to hold the personal opinions of an author speaking through one of their characters.

Where I see extension of basic civil dignity to other people, you see a dread blasphemy. Likewise, I think your reluctance to extend legal recognition of same sex marriage (note how I don’t include “participate”) is barbaric.

We both see each other as incorrect, you see my opinions as evil; likewise I feel yours on this front are gravely immoral.

Evil is what we don’t want to happen, or that which goes against our wishes. Stuff like Murder is nearly always universally seen as murder because no stable society can exist where one is free to murder ones neighbors at will without consequence.
I think choice matters most: what I choose based on what I know (which includes logic), assisted by properly ordered emotions
Okay. Let’s presume tomorrow your child if you have one decides to convert to the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. She knows the evidence supporting the existence of Her Supreme Pink Fluffiness is scant, but she “chooses” to embrace faith. She makes the leap of faith and holds that Invisible Pink Unicornism is the one true faith because it speaks to her on a spiritual level and she chooses it.

Are you going to accept that, or try and talk her out of it with a rational, indeed logical argument?
Please don’t mischaracterize my reasoning as “warm and cozy” feelings. It only shows me that you have a superficial understanding of Christianity.
I’m a Religious Studies post-graduate and a published periodical writer. I read and speak fluent Koine Greek, Latin and have a fairly good grasp of Hebrew which enables me good access to church documents. Though not as great as some I think I have a good grasp of Christian doctrine.
But how had I got this idea of just and unjust?” Perhaps you should start there.
Reason, evidence and experimentation. As highlighted above some actions tend to be universally seen as evil because they are not conductive to the survival of the tribe. Evolution is actually quite a good moral source, because ineffective moral positions (I’ll flee when the tribe is attacked rather than fight even though we’re stronger together) tend to be wiped out by natural selection.

I consider what is contributive to human flourishing to be just, and thus that casts out things like theft.
 
I do find this idea that atheists cannot have a secular source of morality to be quite troubling. Cannot be moral without God doing what we want. You’re right, I do exactly all the rape and murder I want; that is zero. It tends to give the impression believers would like to rape, murder and pillage and the only thing stopping them is the ten commandments. Not a slur by any means, but its the impression many Moral Absolutist apologists tend to give.
 
natural “disasters” are not technically disasters
Disasters aren’t technically disasters. I’m not sure I see your point.

If “cute lil’ bunny rabbits, human emotions, hawaiian sunsets etc…” are just atoms and energy in a particular arrangement, as are tsunamis and hurricanes and jocks and kids and the points you’re trying to make, then, ok. Nice to meet you.

Though your choice of the word “slaughter” does seem a bit emotionally charged. Are you mad at God?
I was especially perplexed at the time why as a Catholic I would have been recommended the work of a schismatic.
Goodness and truth are found in many places. I’m sorry you felt that way.
Trinity are anything but intuitive.
If the Trinity were completely comprehensible it would not be God, as I’m sure you’ve heard said before. I can see how you might view that as a cop-out. I get that. I guess my world view just leaves room for mystery as I continue in the direction of “converging and convincing” arguments.
Evil is what we don’t want to happen
I disagree. There are some who don’t want particular people to live another day or to be happy. I don’t think morality is relative. Do you?
Let’s presume tomorrow your child if you have one decides to convert to the Church of the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
Yes, thanks for that hypothetical. I’m not aware of any IPU revivals or awakenings, but if my son did want to convert to it, oh man, I would love it, it would be so much fun bantering with him about it. But then when he turned 5 I’d probably introduce him to history and it’s various scientists, philosophers, and saints.
I’m a Religious Studies post-graduate and a published periodical writer. I read and speak fluent Koine Greek, Latin and have a fairly good grasp of Hebrew which enables me good access to church documents.
That’s all very commendable. But I’m glad you’re not the only one.
I consider what is contributive to human flourishing to be just
I guess you would have to define human flourishing before I could agree with that. For example, Stalin, I’m sure had his definition and considered human flourishing a good and just thing.
 
I do find this idea that atheists cannot have a secular source of morality to be quite troubling.
I think it’s a very different kind of thing than what “believer’s” have in mind when using the term.
Cannot be moral without God doing what we want.
You’re right, I do exactly all the rape and murder I want
I don’t think I ever said atheists cannot be moral nor have I accused you of desiring those things. I’d appreciate you to correct me if I have.
 
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You’re right, I do exactly all the rape and murder I want
Strawman argument.
 
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