One proof of the resurrection?

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It is said that one proof of the resurrection is that the apostles believed so strongly that they died for their faith.

can this be prooven? which apostles gave their life for the cause and what are proofs?

thanks all
 
All of the Apostles were martyred except for St. John. Are you looking for proof they were killed or proof they were martyred?
 
Jesus even predicted the type of death which Saint Peter would suffer: crucifixion. It is written of in John 21:18-19. There were 500 witnesses to the resurrection, documented by Saint Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:6. Much later, there were 800 men who chose death by the Saracin (Muslim) sword than to renounce their faith: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_invasion_of_Otranto
 
It is said that one proof of the resurrection is that the apostles believed so strongly that they died for their faith.

can this be prooven? which apostles gave their life for the cause and what are proofs?

thanks all
Saying that they “died for their faith” in no way proves that they died defending their belief in the resurrection. There are lots of reasons people were killed then and it usually didn’t take much. Even today people are killed for their beliefs - that doesn’t make their beliefs fact.

The resurrection is a matter of faith, there is no significant proof - if there was, every history text would mention that a man rose from the dead about 2000 years ago.
 
Peter’s martyrdom is predicted in the gospels, as mentioned above, of course. It’s also recorded in the Acts of Peter (aka the Actus Vercellenses.). Maybe dates to the second half of the second century?

The martyrdom of St. James Major is recorded in Acts 12:1-2. (Second half of first century.)

The Martyrdom of St. James Minor was recorded in Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews), Eusebius (Historia Ecclesiastica), and Jerome (Lives of Illustrious Men).

The Acts of Thomas (Acta Thomae) include his martyrdom narrative. It’s an early 3rd c. text, as far as I can tell.

The Acts of Andrew (Acta Andreae) is referenced in a 3rd c. work, but scholarship believes that it was originally composed mid-2nd c., and includes his martyrdom narrative.

St. Matthew’s martyrdom was recorded in Eusebius (Historia Ecclesiastica).

St. Philip’s martyrdom was recorded in-- yep, you guessed it-- the Acts of Philip, which was written about the same time as Eusebius.

I’m having trouble running down an early-dated document recording the martyrdoms of St. Simon and St. Jude/Thaddeus. And St. Bartholomew has two different traditions surrounding his martyrdom.

And of course, there are later-dated martyrologies (Usuard, Bede, Florus of Lyon, etc) and other histories (Isidore, for example).

It’s pretty easy to make an argument that it was a common belief in the first century or two in the early Christian community. If you’re looking for something in the form of King Misdai’s diary, where he writes, “Dear Diary, today I had Thomas the Apostle executed”, you’re not going to find it. 😛 But if you’re looking at it from the perspective that you don’t find any writings refuting various martyrdom narratives as being false accounts, that’s should be sufficient enough for a scholarly approach.

Are there seriously any credible early Christian historians who would argue that the apostles-- minus John and Judas Iscariot-- didn’t die for their faith? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
It is said that one proof of the resurrection is that the apostles believed so strongly that they died for their faith.

can this be prooven? which apostles gave their life for the cause and what are proofs?

thanks all
Despite what some people say, there is indeed good evidence for the Resurrection.

Keep in mind that the fact that the disciples died for their beliefs does not totally prove the Resurrection (though it is an important piece of evidence). It only show that the disciples were sincere in their beliefs. They could have been sincerely mistaken (though it is very hard to see how).

Many non-Christian sources also support that Jesus’s disciples died because of belief in his Resurrection. Tacitus, writing 70 years afterwards, writes about Nero’s persecution of Christians. Seutonius and Juvenal confirm that within 30 years of Jesus’s death, Christians were dying for their beliefs. Pliny the younger, Martial, Epicetetus, and Marcus Aurelius all confirmed that believers were submitting to suffering and death rather than renounce their religion. Christian writing, the epistles, Acts, and the writings of Hermas, Ignatius, and Polycarp (who knew the apostle John in his youth) confirm this.

So that very early Chrisitians died for their beliefs is good evidence, but not enough by itself.

Here are a few links with some more evidence.

peterkreeft.com/topics-more/resurrection-evidence.htm

reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5351

ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Jesus_Resurrection.htm
 
i guess you’re right.

doesn’t proove anything … sigh
 
i guess you’re right.

doesn’t proove anything … sigh
Nothing historical can be proven conclusively. You can’t prove you were born-or didn’t come from another planet. Faith is an individual’s proof-and its the only proof that can satisfy-because faith, itself, is a gift.
 
well,maybe it kinda does. the later folks that died for their faith did so because they believed in it.

if the apostles didn’t see Jesus they would not have believed so would be diing for nothing, making no sense, right?

maybe?
 
i guess you’re right.

doesn’t proove anything … sigh
well,maybe it kinda does. the later folks that died for their faith did so because they believed in it.

if the apostles didn’t see Jesus they would not have believed so would be diing for nothing, making no sense, right?

maybe?
You shouldn’t think of it as proof, just as very good evidence. That’s ok, though. The problem with the word “proof” is that it makes people think of 100% certainty, which we hardly have for anything at all. Heck, by that standard, I can’t even proof the civil war happened! But the evidence for it is so good, it makes sense to believe it. The same with the Resurrection. There might not be a 100% proof, but there is very good evidence.

Jesus’ followers being willing to die for their beliefs is very good evidence, especially when combined with other factors. It shows that they weren’t liars, that they were sincere. And it’s hard to think that they would have been so convinced that someone they were sure was dead had risen that they were willing to die for him, if they didn’t actually have really good reason for thinking this.

So yeah, they must have seen him (I mean, an empty tomb alone wouldn’t have proven anything.

Is this absolute proof? No, but it is very good evidence, and that is enough.
 
If one proves the Resurrection, how does it remain Faith?
Faith in the most important sense is not a matter of belief without evidence or proof. Instead, faith is a commitment of one’s entire being to God. This is perfectly compatible with there being very good evidence for the Resurrection.
 
Faith in the most important sense is not a matter of belief without evidence or proof. Instead, faith is a commitment of one’s entire being to God. This is perfectly compatible with there being very good evidence for the Resurrection.
Ya think? That kinda shoots John in the foot, but hey go for it.
 
I don’t mean to be trite, but the story of doubting Thomas putting his finger in the wounds of Christ seems too farfetched as to not to have happened.
 
It is said that one proof of the resurrection is that the apostles believed so strongly that they died for their faith.

can this be prooven? which apostles gave their life for the cause and what are proofs?

thanks all
This has always struck me as one of the weakest “proofs” for the resurrection. The followers of Jim Jones and David Koresh died for their (wrong) beliefs as well.
 
so it seems there’s no proof of them being martyred?

another thread says it’s in the apocryphal books.

is that it?
 
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