What is your reason for believing the Pope is against families using NFP when they’re “not totally broke, no income…”? I don’t think this is true.akoso:
he’s against it… Is that better??
Thanks for the generous clarification.akoso:
what i said is in plain English…
You’re the one who posted the big bold writing so I thought you were upset. I got the idea from that statement that the idea of the Church’s ban on birth control having to do with making more members insulting somehow.
I thought Catholics would understand that insulting the President and the people who voted for him was their right under the 1st Amendment when it was someone we liked in office and it’s still OK when it’s someone we don’t.
)A massive one. And I find it mind-boggling that others that care about human decency and respect might not.
I don’t feel that my first amendment rights give me the freedom to be rude, insulting or disrespectful to those that I might disagree with. I believe that the “higher authority” commands that I treat others the way I wish to be treated. I also believe that if I didn’t like the way others treated the last President I should not accept the same treatment in regard to this one. I have this thing about consistency.
yeah, he was too concerned about the unborn…
i have this thing about truth…
To each his own, I think we’re called to speak the truth in love and to me rudeness is not love.
Every leader I’ve ever followed or read about has done positive things and negative things. The fact that he “was concerned about the unborn” is a positive, but doesn’t outweigh the negatives (in my opinion).
i’d rather hear the truth told (even about me, maybe even especially concerning me) in “rudeness” so called… than sugar-coated lies and exaggerations (an often used polite term for lying)…
so those are my only choices?? Rude truth or lies??
who are you to say who he didn’t care about? Did God let you become invisible and allow you to enter into his head or soemthing?
Abortion is the torture-killing of children. Abortion has killed many, many millions of American kids in 37 years that we know of, within the law. There are unknown numbers of other victims, those killed earlier, by the IUD and morning-after pill, e.g. It’s a major issue because of the sheer hugeness of the death toll of our country’s children.
That is true. My father was a very responcible person when my mother married him, and was a good fther till I readched the age of 9 or 10. Maybe you could call it a mid life crisis, but I just plain think his maturity dropped to that of a teenage boy:shrug:. He’s been a nightmare ever sinse.
I can make the comment that he DIDN’T care about human decency as much as you can make the comment that he DID care about it.
Abortion is not the torture-killing of children. I don’t support abortion at all, but that statement is incorrect. There is no torture involved, no incidence of pain, and it is used to abort fetuses, not babies. Again, I’m not saying that it’s right or that I support it, but it absolutely does not involve torture or children.
Saddam Hussein was NOT working with Al-Qaeda. In 2005, the CIA released a report admitting this. The 9/11 Commission and Defense Department reported the same. And the former Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet said on 60 Minutes, “We could never verify that there was any Iraqi authority, direction and control, complicity with al-Qaeda for 9/11 or any operational act against America, period.” These were complete lies. The weapons of mass destruction were also complete lies.
The difference is the torture used at Guantanamo Bay also includes waterboarding, forced drugging, sleep deprivation, semi-starvation, etc. How you can possibly defend sexual degradation and religious persecution is unbelievable… especially when these acts are being done to people that haven’t been charged with a crime or anything.The torture the suspects went through, as against it as I still am, often involved things such as watchign the desecration of obects they cosnidered sacred, and being sexually taunted while a captive audience. Our own government taxes us for the privilege of seeing sacred things desecrated as “art”, and the sexual bewilderment and overstimulation of our children in school at ever-earlier ages to make them more malleable. The difference is…
A fetus is a baby just as a baby is a child – a category within a category. There is substantial evidence that they feel pain from ages below the average age of an aborted baby. It is certainly torture.
I never defended these things. I merely pointed out that when the same things happen in other contexts, the same horrendous and unacceptable things, which I have never endorsed in any way at all, the very individuals acting the most shocked by Guantanamo Bay are bored or even laugh at it. Context is everything, eh?
A fetus isn’t a baby… just as a child is not an adult. It doesn’t take away from the fact that it is a living being… but it is not a child.
Can you provide this substantial evidence? The last I heard, a fetus does not feel pain until the third trimester (and only in severe circumstances will an abortion be performed during the third trimester). Also, the first step in an abortion is often to stop the fetus’ heart to avoid any pain. I know that there is research being done to verify this or not, but I’m unaware of any conclusive findings that are well accepted.
I apologize for my previous post coming across so as to suggest that you were defending those things. I really didn’t have any intention of debating abortions or torture here. I just think that it’s unfortunate that since George W. Bush claims to be Catholic and took stances against abortion (and similar issues) that the overwhelmingly negative things that he did (i.e. the ones I listed before - invading a free country based on lies and deceit, torturing innocent people, reversing environmental progress, etc.) are ignored and/or accepted. In my opinion, the bad very, very much outweigh the little good.
Im not Catholic so thankfully the Church’s views dont apply to me. Im just wondering, if you think its bad to use contraception since its unnatural, then why are things like IVF and plastic surgery not outlawed in Catholicism? When some people are infertile God meant for it to be that way, so why is it okay to go out of one’s way to change that? By the way I have to agree with you in a post when you said that women are women’s worst enemies.
Just one thing, when did George W. Bush become a Catholic?