One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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The trouble is though, if Creationists reject evolution because it doesn’t adhere to their literal interpretation of the Bible, why don’t they then accept the whole allegorical cosmology given
in the Bible as literal? Talking flat Earth, Dome Sky, Pillars Under the Earth, etc.
The motivation doesn’t matter. Go where the evidence takes you. The tree of life has fallen and is now a bush, the fossil record shows abrupt appearance then stasis, DNA is a complex language readable both froward and backwards, convergent evolution of many features over and over again, DNA actively fights against mutations, natural selection is a consrvative process not a creative one, we are devolving (human genome in meltdown), junk DNA has bit the dust, chromosome fusion - gone, and Adam and Eve lived at the same time (they just didn’t know each other) to name just a few.
 
I could go along with that, but what is the source being used by the BLOG?
70% doesn’t make a big enough difference, really, but where is that from?

We are still member of the Family of Hominidae
along with chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and
orangutans.
Look here for more.
 
Four days now, and still no answer from those who oppose evolution: Is God a trickster?
No, God is not a trickster.

In most cases, it is ourselves that are the tricksters.

Human’s are very good at believing what they wish despite evidence to the contrary.
 
The motivation doesn’t matter. Go where the evidence takes you. The tree of life has fallen and is now a bush, the fossil record shows abrupt appearance then stasis, DNA is a complex language readable both froward and backwards, convergent evolution of many features over and over again, DNA actively fights against mutations, natural selection is a consrvative process not a creative one, we are devolving (human genome in meltdown), junk DNA has bit the dust, chromosome fusion - gone, and Adam and Eve lived at the same time (they just didn’t know each other) to name just a few.
DNA isn’t perfect, believe it or not. Things do happen which are not normally
supposed to happen. “Chromosome Fusion - Gone”? Where’d you get that?
This following video may be of interest: How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists
- Ken Miller On Chromosome 2. And what does “Adam and Eve lived at the
same time (they just didn’t know each other)” even mean???

Motivation does kinda matter, it really does.
Scientists’ motive is to find out what the evidence says.
Creationists’ motive is to make the Bible appear 100% literal and tear down what science says to the contrary.

Scientists view the world based on the evidence.
Creationists view the evidence in light of the Bible and their modernistic views.
 
Okay, take a moment then to clarify your position: Evolution - For or Against?
THEN, answer us all this: Is God a trickster?
As the question itself concerning God being a tricckster was used to support evolution, it seems illogical to answer the evolution position first before making up your mind on what is considered to be a support.
 
No, God is not a trickster.

In most cases, it is ourselves that are the tricksters.

Human’s are very good at believing what they wish despite evidence to the contrary.
What are you talking about? “…believing what they wish despite evidence to the contrary”?

What do we believe “…despite evidence to the contrary”? Does that not describe a Creationist?
 
We both know that the point is that we have four limbs, not necessarily four feet. I hardly call the case closed simply because you choose to jump on my poor choice of words as though it were an argument.
I find it interesting that we are supposed to know and understand what is actually meant behind inaccurate word use. But it would appear opposition using inaccurate terms is considered uneducated.
 
DNA isn’t perfect, believe it or not. Things do happen which are not normally
supposed to happen. “Chromosome Fusion - Gone”? Where’d you get that?
This following video may be of interest: How To Shut Up Pesky Creationists
- Ken Miller On Chromosome 2. And what does “Adam and Eve lived at the
same time (they just didn’t know each other)” even mean???

Motivation does kinda matter, it really does.
Scientists’ motive is to find out what the evidence says.
Creationists’ motive is to make the Bible appear 100% literal and tear down what science says to the contrary.

Scientists view the world based on the evidence.
Creationists view the evidence in light of the Bible and their modernistic views.
Human Chromosome Fusion Debunked

The ENCODE data shows it.

ABSTRACT:
A major argument supposedly supporting human evolution from a common ancestor with chimpanzees is the “chromosome 2 fusion model” in which ape chromosomes 2A and 2B purportedly fused end-to-end, forming human chromosome 2. This idea is postulated despite the fact that all known fusions in extant mammals involve satellite DNA and breaks at or near centromeres. In addition, researchers have noted that the hypothetical telomeric end-to-end signature of the fusion is very small (~800 bases) and highly degenerate (ambiguous) given the supposed 3 to 6 million years of divergence from a common ancestor. In this report, it is also shown that the purported fusion site (read in the minus strand orientation) is a functional DNA binding domain inside the first intron of the DDX11L2 regulatory RNA helicase gene, which encodes several transcript variants expressed in at least 255 different cell and/or tissue types. Specifically, the purported fusion site encodes the second active transcription factor binding domain in the DDX11L2 gene that coincides with transcriptionally active histone marks and open active chromatin. Annotated DDX11L2 gene transcripts suggest complex post-transcriptional regulation through a variety of microRNA binding sites. Chromosome fusions would not be expected to form complex multi-exon, alternatively spliced functional genes. This clear genetic evidence, combined with the fact that a previously documented 614 Kb genomic region surrounding the purported fusion site lacks synteny (gene correspondence) with chimpanzee on chromosomes 2A and 2B (supposed fusion sites of origin), **thoroughly refutes the claim that human chromosome 2 is the result of an ancestral telomeric end-to-end fusion.
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uh . . . thanks, but that’s like saying “God said this and that,” I ask where, and
I’m given an entire Bible to plow through. That’s like over 50 links I think (100?)

I was asking for the source of that particular thing about Chimps and 70% in common with humans.
 
What are you talking about? “…believing what they wish despite evidence to the contrary”?

What do we believe “…despite evidence to the contrary”? Does that not describe a Creationist?
The God is a trickster argument is bogus. He is under no obligation to reveal everything to us. What we do observe we have to properly reason.

Suppose you were walking down the beach and saw only left footprints as far as you could see? Should you conclude a trickster at work?

Quantum mechanics is quite tricky but points to God.
 
uh . . . thanks, but that’s like saying “God said this and that,” I ask where, and
I’m given an entire Bible to plow through. That’s like over 50 links I think (100?)

I was asking for the source of that particular thing about Chimps and 70% in common with humans.
Scroll down for the reason resources. Most link to the original papers.
 
At what point did a theory become the whole of science?
That’s been my question the whole time.

An electrical engineer doesn’t need it.
A mechanical engineer doesn’t need it.
An aerospace designer/engineer doesn’t need it.

Good point,
Ed
 
What are you talking about? “…believing what they wish despite evidence to the contrary”?

What do we believe “…despite evidence to the contrary”? Does that not describe a Creationist?
It describes humans in general.
There is the drug user that does not believe they have a problem.
There is the alcoholic that believes they can handle it.
There is the College professor that believes they have nothing more to learn.
Everyone to one degree or another is fooling themselves.

You seem to have stuck yourself to an argument of creationists against evolution.
While neither seems defined well.
At one point you had been trying to categorize me as a creationist.
I do not know if I am still there, but I would be curious to know who exactly is the group you are so set against?
 
uh . . . thanks, but that’s like saying “God said this and that,” I ask where, and
I’m given an entire Bible to plow through. That’s like over 50 links I think (100?)
Can I use this argument when someone attempts to claim a question was answered days ago in this thread?
 
Interesting, why is it when I type “site:designed-dna.org intelligent” in a Google Search, I get about 127
results with the phrase “Intelligent Design”? Why is when I type “site:designed-dna.org God,” I end up
getting about 70 results, one of them trying to answer “Where Did Cain Get His Wife?”?

I’m not even going to entertain you in reading that link you gave, whether it has anything correct or not.

Creationists are notorious for quote mining from
scientific sources, rob excepts of their context,
and employ the mined passages to serve their
Creationist agenda.

Just give me something acceptable to the scientific community from a non-Creationist source.
 
As the question itself concerning God being a tricckster was used to support evolution, it seems illogical to answer the evolution position first before making up your mind on what is considered to be a support.
What? Rephrase.
 
Can I use this argument when someone attempts to claim a question was answered days ago in this thread?
No, because the link regarding the supposed 70% difference between humans and chimps
leads to a blog not on this forum. I ask what the blog’s source was for that particular entry,
and I was given a whole host of sources, but supporting the whole of that blog, not the par-
ticular entry I was asking about.

Hardly a fair comparison.
 
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