One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

[Farsight001]

You have yet to prove your case ID is fake science.

My first steps were to show that catastrophism happened. Uniformatarians rejected it and so did you by asking me how many geologists agree. So having reviewed my evidence your position has changed.

Again, what the geologists call catastrophism and what you and the Creationists call it are two completely different things.

Having studying the evidence for evo and the current trends I cannot support it.

In no way have you studied the evidence for evolution. Don’t be ridiculous.

But even atheists understand that middle ground is faulty. They know it is either evo or design.

Yeah? You see them say that all the time, or are you just making stuff up as usual?

I asked a question many posts before. Did God know what Adam would look like? It has not been answered.

Probably for two reasons. No one can figure out why that’s relevant for one. And for another, because they would probably prefer you address their questions first, since they asked first.

 

[HansTrappist]

No. Large floods are possible. A global flood, without direct intervention from God is not possible and in fact is proven false based on geological evidence. (every flood leaves a marker in the earth)

Noah’s flood was global and did cover the entire world. No doubt about that. Sacred Scripture is explicit on that point.

Adam and Eve were also real people.

Moses also parted the Red Sea…literally.

Jesus also walked on water.

 

[Farsight001]

Behe mentioned HIV and Malaria and it was from the studies of HIV, Malaria, and E.Coli that Behe reached the conclusion that there is a mathematical limit to what Random Mutation can achieve in Nature - where it counts.

I know Behe mentioned it. But I was not talking about Malaria and such specifically, was I? No. I was talking about the mathematical limit itself. THAT concept is bunk and was presented and proven false before he even finished school. And since I apparently need to be abnormally clear - I mean that concept of a mathematical limit AT LARGE, and not specifically having to do with malaria et al.

But you would know all that, wouldn’t you, because you are so convinced that you are right and Behe is wrong.

Behe IS wrong. maybe you should look up the scientific response to his claims instead of blindly believing what he says.

Who is “conniving and plotting” here?

That is such an uncharitable thing to imply.

Again you guys enjoy making assumptions and adding key words to my statements to extract your preferred meaning from them. Who said “here”? Not me.

 

[Farsight001]

Noah’s flood was global and did cover the entire world. No doubt about that. Sacred Scripture is explicit on that point.

Sacred scripture tells a story from which we get a great theological truth. That you want to believe it literally happened is your personal choice, as we, as Catholics, are free to make for ourselves. Just don’t try to convince me that there is scientific evidence of it.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

Noah’s flood was global and did cover the entire world. No doubt about that. Sacred Scripture is explicit on that point.

Adam and Eve were also real people.

Moses also parted the Red Sea…literally.

Jesus also walked on water.

I will not deny the latter two points, but why do you think God is such a trickster
so as to leave absolutely NO evidence confirming what you said about the Flood
and Adam & Eve?

 

[vz71]

Are you kidding?! I didn’t imply it AT ALL. Quit making stuff up. Its childish.

Nor should I have to. Making baseless assumptions about my meaning is your problem, not mine. I did nothing wrong. You guys jumped to conclusions and are now made at me over your own error. Get over yourselves.

Look at my analogy.
Mary is the mother of Jesus
Jesus is God
Mary is the mother of God.

Did I say Jesus is “all” God - i.e. the Father and the Holy spirit too? Nope. But by your line of reasoning, you would have me believe that my statement “implied very heavily” that I meant that Mary is the mother of the Father and the Holy Spirit too. Sorry, but I’m not buying it.

27 My sheep hear my voice: and I know them, and they follow me.
28 And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall pluck them out of my hand.
29 That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.
30 I and the Father are one.
31 The Jews then took up stones to stone him.

 

[vz71]

We already clarified that in the earlier posts in this thread. The problem, however, is that some people still insist on making up their own definitions.

I would not fault anyone skipping over pages of this thread.
It is quite long.

 

[Farsight001]

27 My sheep hear my voice: and I know them, and they follow me.
28 And I give them life everlasting; and they shall not perish for ever, and no man shall pluck them out of my hand.
29 That which my Father hath given me, is greater than all: and no one can snatch them out of the hand of my Father.
30 I and the Father are one.
31 The Jews then took up stones to stone him.

No offense, but would you mind posting something relevant to the discussion at hand? And if you’re going to quote scripture, you really should explain the point you’re trying to make with it. Not everyone is going to see it or approach it the same way you do, so they’re not going to be able to understand.

 

[vz71]

Sure it does. One species became another species. That’s the ID advocate definition of macro-evolution. You think because it doesn’t reproduce sexually like humans that that matters? I certainly hope not.

Actually, yes. I think the manner of reproduction matters a great deal.

Bacteria are not humans.

 

[Judas_Thaddeus]

I stated most biologists are atheists.

Prove it.

Atheists do not believe in God.

I don’t argue that.

Their evolution formulations exclude God.

Again: Prove it.

Their evolution formulations posit blind unguided chance.

As far as science can tell, yes, but the position is not limited to that.

They have as much faith in this BUC as you and I have in God.

Again: Prove it.

Therefore their god is BUC.

Again: Prove it.

That is what they believe and write.

“They believe in and write that,” YOU SAY, “BUC is their God.”
Again: Prove it.

 

[HansTrappist]

I know Behe mentioned it. But I was not talking about Malaria and such specifically, was I? No. I was talking about the mathematical limit itself. THAT concept is bunk and was presented and proven false before he even finished school.

Must be some other mathematical study to which you are talking about because Michael Behe’s argument has not been refuted by you or anyone else. Nice try, though. Perhaps if you repeat it enough it will come true.

Behe IS wrong. maybe you should look up the scientific response to his claims instead of blindly believing what he says.

Behe is correct and Richard Dawkins is wrong.

There has not been any scientific response to his claims no matter how many times you blindly repeat it.

 

[Farsight001]

I would not fault anyone skipping over pages of this thread.
It is quite long.

Except that even the people who have been participating since the beginning are still doing it.

 

[vz71]

…that person is a complete and utter moron or at least trying to illustrate why it doesn’t work.

Not exactly the most charitable thing I have seen in this thread.

Perhaps you should step back from the keyboard and take a breath.

Temper flare attracts moderator attention.

 

[Farsight001]

Must be some other mathematical study to which you are talking about because Michael Behe’s argument has not been refuted by you or anyone else. Nice try, though. Perhaps if you repeat it enough it will come true.

There has not been any scientific response to his claims no matter how many times you blindly repeat it.

Lol. Have you even tried to look for it? Obviously not, as it is all over the front page of a google search or even a yahoo one. So much for intellectual honesty.

 

[vz71]

No offense, but would you mind posting something relevant to the discussion at hand? And if you’re going to quote scripture, you really should explain the point you’re trying to make with it. Not everyone is going to see it or approach it the same way you do, so they’re not going to be able to understand.

OK, re-read the scripture.

Jesus said he and the Father were one.

And this changes at a fundamental level your analogy.

 

[Farsight001]

Not exactly the most charitable thing I have seen in this thread.

Perhaps you should step back from the keyboard and take a breath.

Temper flare attracts moderator attention.

I’m not angry and I wasn’t referring to anyone on this board or even anyone by name from elsewhere. Now please address my argument instead of what you think my attitude is.

 

[vz71]

Except that even the people who have been participating since the beginning are still doing it.

You do seem really anxious to judge everyone else.

Why is that?

 

[Farsight001]

OK, re-read the scripture.

Jesus said he and the Father were one.

And this changes at a fundamental level your analogy.

It changes nothing, actually. Mary is the mother of God the son, not God the Father and not God the Holy Spirit. She did not carry the Father for nine months and she did not raise the Holy Spirit from infancy.

Perhaps you should focus more on the analogy itself and how it applies to the subject at hand instead of desperately trying to nitpick it apart any way you can so you don’t have to acknowledge the argument.

 

[HansTrappist]

Sacred scripture tells a story from which we get a great theological truth. That you want to believe it literally happened is your personal choice, as we, as Catholics, are free to make for ourselves. Just don’t try to convince me that there is scientific evidence of it.

There is plenty of scientific evidence for a Global Flood. Quit being silly.

Even if there were no scientific evidence for it, we would have to defer to Sacred Scripture which makes it clear that there was a Flood covering the entire Earth during which time God in his Justice destroyed every living human being with the exception of Noah and his family.

Put it another way: there is no good reason to think that Noah’s Flood was not a literal event.

 

[vz71]

Lol. Have you even tried to look for it? Obviously not, as it is all over the front page of a google search or even a yahoo one. So much for intellectual honesty.

Without knowing what exactly the search parameters are, it would be difficult to claim dishonesty for the results of a search not showing what you anticipate.