One-third of Americans reject evolution, poll shows

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Evoultion makes no sense in higher animals. You don’t see cats or dogs becoming more alike over time.
Where do you find Evolution saying otherwise? I think that comes from you.
Also, I believe our faith over any purported scalled scientific evidence. God created man out of nothing. Man is a body-soul being and you can’t separate man into 2 parts or else the man is dead.
I thought the Bible said that God created man from the dust of the earth.
So what if the genetic material is similar? It does not mean that God did not create us out of nothing.
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I studied geology and you can’t find these inbetween species!
Geologist. That explains it.
You studied geology, therefore feel qualified enough to speak on the subject of biology.
Yeah.
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No, when the chance of something happening is significantly small enough and it still happens that would be a reason for thinking it isn’t random, but, rather, designed.
Why? If you get 10,000 decks of cards together, shuffle them all together and flip them all, the order they came up in is a 1/(10000!) chance, an infetismally small likelihood of it happening. but no one says that that result was designed to occur. It was random.
What is the chance of wind and the elements carving the heads of four presidents on Mt, Rushmore? I would suggest “significantly” small, actually impossibly small, which is precisely why we wouldn’t conclude it was random, but, rather, DESIGNED.
As a geologist, I can actually tell you that the chance of wind and the elements carving Mt. Rushmore is not just extremely small. Its zero.
I don’t need a course to persuade me of what reason adequately addresses. You may want to take some courses in philosophy of science and logic to “help you understand” what legitimately can be concluded from evidence, which is, by the way, a philosophical and not scientific procedure.
i’m doing just fine in the logic category, thanks. This was just an attempt to jab back at me for my suggestion that you take classes anyway. But the thing is my suggestion was out of a genuine desire to help.
 
Order does not entail design.
I know it does not. But your compatriots are saying that it does.
Your example is simplistic. Quartz crystals are not highly specific functional protein chains.
They’re also not self replicating. This is besides the point. I was merely pointing out that lots of things that are not designed have a tendency towards developing in similar ways and that, therefore, convergent evolution is not indicative of design.
 
ID the science, is just that, trying to detect design by using the scientific method. The truth defeats atheism. It is meeting evo on its own turf.
Once again, ID does not use the scientific method. They perform no experimentation, a necessary component of the scientific method. Hence, it is not science.
 
They didn’t. The point I was making not all ID people are “creationists.”
There are some Catholics that are adamant that abortion is ok too. Do we really care about those who deviate from the formal definition of a thing?
 
That means the average student is led to believe that ‘theistic evolution’ is not real. On a Catholic forum, that should be obvious. The Church has given us physical reasons. And who is Jesus Christ?
Who’s trying to convince these students that theistic evolution is not real? I don’t see anyone doing that.
Theistic Evolution is a dodge, and obviously not true. Catholics need to understand what the Church teaches first.
I already know what the Church teaches, thanks. The Church teaches that theistic evolution is A-OK.
 
Dawkins has many followers and is often brought up to defend evo.
No he isn’t. He’s brought up as a representative of atheism. People interested in real science actually tend to shy away from him a bit. There’s a reason he writes popular books - he wasn’t much of a biologist, ironically most often leaning towards the less well-accepted ideas. He’s not actually that well respected among other biologists.
 
You are now using a designed machine. You know it was designed, because it contains functional complex specified information. Do you conclude God designed your device? Why not?
How about instead of playing games, you answer the guy’s question?
 
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  Download the [Dissent List](http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=660)
7) Are there credible scientists who doubt Neo-Darwinism?
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      Yes. Signers of the  Scientific Dissent From Darwinism hold  doctorates in biological sciences,  physics, chemistry, mathematics,  medicine, computer science, and related  disciplines from such  institutions as Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Dartmouth,  Rutgers,  University of Chicago, Stanford and University of California at   Berkeley.  Many are also professors or  researchers at major  universities and research institutions such as Cambridge,  Princeton,  MIT, UCLA, University of Pennsylvania, University of Georgia, Tulane,   Moscow State University, Chitose Institute of Science & Technology  in  Japan, and Ben-Gurion University in Israel.
Yes, and well over half of them are suing or threatening to sue to have their names removed from the list because they were deceived into adding their names in the first place. this is just another in a long line of examples of ID advocates being dishonest to the point of evil - not like a child afraid to admit he broke something, but a group of people getting together to PLAN to intentionally mislead lots of people to their own ends.

The original statement said something like “we do not believe that random mutation alone can explain evolution”. Every scientists worth his salt would and should agree with that statement. But the ID advocates, when publishing the list, clearly altered it to make it say something else. And now they’re in deep water for doing it.

And who cares about the physicists, chemists, mathematicians, doctors, and computer scientists anyway? They’re not experts on evolution.

And should I also make you aware of project Steve - a list of RELEVANT scientists who accept evolution and are all named Steve, Stephen, or Stephanie (i think. whatever the female equivalent of Steve is), that absolutely dwarfs that list? Your list is not impressive. Its a laughingstock.
 
Can you use the scientific method to repeat your test? Will your test be observable, repeatable and predictable? Sure it will. Intuitively you recognize design when you see it becuase is has been cognized. If you find a computer with this amount of fsci produced by natural causes then ID is falsified.
Intuition has no place in science. If your decision is that life must be designed because intuitively it seems that way, then that excludes it from being science right there. One must test to prove it has been designed and THEN conclude that it is or is not based on the evidence.

But once again, the ID advocates have never run any real experiments to test their ideas, so they can’t prove anything.
 
Evoultion makes no sense in higher animals. You don’t see cats or dogs becoming more alike over time.
Why would they become more alike over time? Evolution does not suggest that they would.
Also, I believe our faith over any purported scalled scientific evidence.
Our faith does not contradict the scientific evidence of evolution.
God created man out of nothing.
Actually, the bible says dirt, not nothing. But either way, what is the process by which God used to make man then? Whether out of dirt or out of nothing, He still could have used evolution as the process by which he created man.
Man is a body-soul being and you can’t separate man into 2 parts or else the man is dead.
Catholic teachings does not say that we die without our eternal soul. Animals don’t have eternal souls. They don’t die. Plants don’t have souls at all (I think), and they don’t die.
So what if the genetic material is similar? It does not mean that God did not create us out of nothing.
Evolution, for one, is a whole lot more than “the genetic material is similar”. Secondly, evolution does not state that God didn’t create us. It merely attempts to explain how.
I studied geology and you can’t find these inbetween species!
Let me guess. You took one intro to geology class in college for your general science elective and now decided to say “I studied geology” to lend weight to your claims. Well I also studied geology and got an entire degree in it in two years. Not only can you find these “inbetween species”, but they are so abundant that many places pretty much give them away. I have some in a box under my bed and there are literally some sticking out of the rock used to build part of my home. They are extremely plentiful.
 
Why would they become more alike over time? Evolution does not suggest that they would.

Our faith does not contradict the scientific evidence of evolution.

Actually, the bible says dirt, not nothing. But either way, what is the process by which God used to make man then? Whether out of dirt or out of nothing, He still could have used evolution as the process by which he created man. Catholic teachings does not say that we die without our eternal soul. Animals don’t have eternal souls. They don’t die. Plants don’t have souls at all (I think), and they don’t die.

Evolution, for one, is a whole lot more than “the genetic material is similar”. Secondly, evolution does not state that God didn’t create us. It merely attempts to explain how.

Let me guess. You took one intro to geology class in college for your general science elective and now decided to say “I studied geology” to lend weight to your claims. Well I also studied geology and got an entire degree in it in two years. Not only can you find these “inbetween species”, but they are so abundant that many places pretty much give them away. I have some in a box under my bed and there are literally some sticking out of the rock used to build part of my home. They are extremely plentiful.
Since you claim to be a geologist I am wondering if studying geology is useful in archaeology because I want to be a archaeologist/historian.

Your claims against ID are impressive. 👍
 
Peter Plato my friend. I’m confused are you for ID/creationism?
I am for the truth and for the right of each person to seek and find it. I am not against correction of error, but not correction based upon presumptions of what others may know just because of their background. Some of the wisest, most brilliant people I have encountered were uneducated and simple folk.

Claiming someone can’t have a valid opinion because they don’t have the academic background is a form of snobbery.

Especially when this was honestly and humbly admitted…
Now truth be told, I am not a very scientifically-savvy person, so I will not
read their arguments because I may become easily convinced or at least
really confused. Many Intelligent Design advocates who fight for having it
taught in public schools will often say something to the effect of “Let the
kids decide which is more reasonable.” So science becomes an opinion
in the world of Creationism, and I will not be party to it.

This is why I turn to the Scientific Community, for just as we Catholics
have Popes, Bishops, the Catechism, and the Bible to help us in what
is true, so too does Science have a league of honest scientists, scien-
tific journals, testable ideas, etc.

I know a thing or two, here and there, but I cannot read
and hope to sufficiently argue against an entire body of
work of religious views using scientific jargon.

Maybe someone here who is smarter.

As for me, I’ll consider Intelligent Design as soon as I hear that
the General Consensus of the Scientific Community accepts it.
The following just seems an unwarranted and unsolicited stab from someone who admits not knowing much about science into the side of someone who just may know more…
Geologist. That explains it.
You studied geology, therefore feel qualified enough to speak on the subject of biology.
Yeah.
… thus, my comment.
 
Since you claim to be a geologist I am wondering if studying geology is useful in archaeology because I want to be a archaeologist/historian.

Your claims against ID are impressive. 👍
I’ll tell you two things. Actually three - Indiana Jones is NOT what archaeologists do. Geology and archaeology work can be quite tedious. That doesn’t make it not worth it. I’m just making you aware.
  1. Archaeologists and historians are not popular degrees right now. What I mean to say is that jobs are hard to find and pay below average. That said, if it really is what you want to do and what you are passionate about, then you NEED TO GO FOR IT.
  2. Archaeologists and geologists actually sometimes butt heads and don’t get along very well. Its a difference of principles. If a geologists digs up something neat, he says “oh, neat, lets grab that and take that back to the lab.” The archaeologist loathes disturbing the find. They pull out grids, take tons of photos, meticulously reveal more of the find with brushes, slowly excavate the surrounding area, sketch and catalog everything, etc, etc, etc. By the time the archaeologist is done at the dig, the geologist is probably on their 5th site. I’m not saying one way is better than the other. I’m just saying that these different approaches to learning and field work tend towards causing conflict when the two groups are forced to work together.
But to answer your question - its actually going to be somewhat useful if for no other reason than to improve your familiarity with soils, underground water flow and other stuff that might effect your finds. My university had a “cross-discipline class” that was geology and archaeology together, so there is some overlap and I can tell you that it would be useful.
 
Claiming someone can’t have a valid opinion because they don’t have the academic background is a form of snobbery.
No one said they couldn’t have a valid opinion. The problem is that this is not a matter of opinion, hence we should be deferring to experts who actually know the subject on which they speak.

And even if it were a matter of opinion, that still doesn’t matter. Experts on a subject have more information with which to provide a more informed decision. I have an opinion on what my favorite band is. Maybe a professional musician, however, in their expertise, can detect flaws in the band’s playing that I cannot, and can therefore logically conclude that the band is not as talented as I think they are.
 
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