Only Catholics pray the Hail Mary?

[JPhoenix75]

Here is my two cents on this matter? Does anyone one of you know of a Protestant or any non-Catholic who is or was a member of a Choir? Ask them if they ever sang Ave, Maria? If the answer is yes, Catholics are not the only ones praying (or should I say singing) the Hail Mary. If the answer is no, well, too bad.****

 

[Louis_Mazar]

Lutherans also pray the Hail Mary Prayer but they omit “Holy Mary Mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.”. The Lutherans also pray the rosary but they say more of the Lord’s Prayer and the Glory Be Prayer than they do the first half of the Hail Mary Prayer. Anglicans and Episcopalians also pray the Hail Mary Prayer but they pray the second half as well as the first half.

 

[Ignatius]

Hesychios:

Christos Voskrese!

The Hail Mary is actually two prayers, joined together.

As constructed today some people have asserted that the prayer does not go back any further than the fifteenth century. Although it’s constituent parts are likely much older. I think that this magnificent prayer deserves some reflection.

From another website: Hail: salute, greet or call

To say hail Mary! is to say hello. When the angel Gabriel greeted Mary at the annunciation it was like saying “hello Mary”, likely with great joy. As Father Ambrose points out, the Eastern version of the English translation has Gabriel telling Mary to rejoice instead of merely saying hello. So, was he saying “hello” joyfully? Or was he telling her to rejoice?

I think likely both, he was joyfully proclaiming that Mary was blessed by God, and asking her to rejoice with him, and we do too!

Rejoice! Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with you!
Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb Jesus.

Mary is blessed, and Jesus is blessed! This becomes our blessing too.

The second part is a lot like the ejaculatory prayers early Christians were so very fond of, and may have been sung separately at one time. Another such prayer is the Jesus prayer, in its shorter form goes like this: “Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me a sinner!”

To say Holy Mary is as to say “saint Mary”. Mary is sanctified and deified, she is holy as we are all called to be holy. She is the great example. As we pray for each other, we especially appreciate her prayers for us, this is an appeal to her to keep us in mind and stay by our side.

Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners…
now and at the hour of our death.

Amen, amen, amen!

Vo istinu Voskres!

That is a very beautiful exposition of the prayer. Thank you.

 

[Ahimsa]

I suspect quite a few Hindus (and Buddhists maybe) also pray the Hail Mary, since Mary is considered an incarnation of the Goddess by a growing number of Hindus. I personally know of one Buddhist who says the Hail Mary.

 

[Kostja]

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“Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church”.

I say so that, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is as well the
Lutheran Church.

Kostja

 

[Eden]

Kostja:

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“Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church”.

I say so that, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is as well the
Lutheran Church.

Kostja

If you would like to understand this statement on a more profound level, I recommend reading “Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth”:

catholic.com/library/pillar.asp

 

[Eden]

I have a link for a site which is a great introduction to the rosary for those who are unfamiliar with it. There are well-answered questions at the end from a Protestant which I think are common:

deoomnisgloria.com/mt/archives/000309.html

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[jjwilkman]

Alma:

A non Catholic friend of mine aske me who composed the Hail Mary. I told him it was a very old prayer and that it was based on the Bible. :bible1:
He asked if only Catholics pray it and I was not sure what to respond.

I’d appreciate your comments on this.

Thank you!



Alma

luke 1:26…

luke 1:46!!

 

[tuopaolo]

Fr Ambrose:

Here is what Mary actually heard - the words from the lips of the Archangel, in Aramaic…

Shlom lekh Mariam,

Maliath taibootho,

moran a’amekh,

mbarakhto at bneshey,

wambarakhoo feero dabkharsekh.

There should be a sound file of this somewhere on the Web?

How do we know that the angel spoke to her in Aramaic?

 

[Hesychios]

Glossolalia perhaps? :ehh:

 

[Psalm45_9]

GKC:

Anglicans (that is, the generic Church that Episcopalians are a specific form of) do it too, including in the singing of the Angelus.

JackmanUSC, I hope you report on how that goes. I note that there will be the monthly Latin Tridentine Mass that Sunday at the RC Church of the Good Shepherd.

GKC

Anglicans have many beautifal song versions of the magnificat.

 

[Zooey]

tuopaolo:

How do we know that the angel spoke to her in Aramaic?

Could have been Hebrew…It had to be her native language.

 

[Fr_Ambrose]

Zooey:

Could have been Hebrew…It had to be her native language.

It could have been Hebrew but that had become a special language heard only in the services in the temple and the synagogues. Her native language was Aramaic, but she was more than likely proficient in written Hebrew since she spent her young years living in the Jerusalem temple and would have studied it there.

 

[Hesychios]

Fr Ambrose:

It could have been Hebrew but that had become a special language heard only in the services in the temple and the synagogues. Her native language was Aramaic, but she was more than likely proficient in written Hebrew since she spent her young years living in the Jerusalem temple and would have studied it there.

Greetings Father!
I agree with the idea that her native language was Aramaic.

However I am having a tough time believing that Mary lived in the temple proper. I know that this belief is strongly held in the Eastern church as well as the West, so much so that we have The Feast of the Presentation of the Most Holy Mother of God in the Temple.

I think that it is possible that she lived in the Temple precincts, somewhere else on the Temple Mount perhaps, but not within the Temple itself. It probably would have caused a riot and been recorded in more sources than the few we can point to. Also I believe that this was the period when Herod was rebuilding the place, so it was a construction site as well.

Is there any Orthodox scholarship that addresses this issue? Do you know if there were any other women in the second temple period residing in the temple itself?

In the Theotokos,
Michael

 

[Fr_Ambrose]

Hesychios:

Do you know if there were any other women in the second temple period residing in the temple itself?

I believe that the temple area was large, over 30 acres.

“The righteous Joachim and Anna, having delivered the child voluntarily to the Heavenly Father, returned home; the Most-Blessed Mary remained in the rooms for virgins which were found at the Temple. Around the Temple, according to the witness of Holy Scripture (e.g., Luke 2:37), as well as that of the historian Josephus Flavius, there were many rooms in which remained those dedicated to the service of God.”

orthodoxy.org.au/viewer.php?p=135

 

[The_Eurasian]

Subrosa:

Hi Alma -

The Rosary reminds us of what Jesus lived through and did for us. By praying the Rosary, people obtain a deeper appreciation of these events in His life.

The origin of the Rosary is not clear. During the earliest days of the Church, Catholics used prayer beads and the repetitive prayers. There is evidence that beads were used to assist prayers in the Middle Ages.

During the fifteenth century, the Rosary structure formed. Fifty Hail Mary’s were recited and were linked with verses of psalms. The prayer was called rosarim meaning rose garden. Later, the name became the Rosary.

Saint Dominick is the person that designed the structure of the Rosary. He was moved by a vision of our Blessed Mother. The Rosary became popular in the 1500’s. There were many wars, and people turned to the Rosary for comfort. On October 7, 1572, Pope St. Pius V established the Feast of the Holy Rosary.

The Rosary prayer brings human solidarity. It reflects the intent of Mary and Jesus. This prayer can be said by anyone in the world. The world is surrounded by tensions and war. The Rosary can help, and is necessary that prayers for peace be raised to God through out the world.

How to Recite the Holy Rosary.

Hope that helps
God bless,
Subrosa

Each decade of the Holy Rosary, I link a Hail Mary with each of the 10 Commandments.

I think of the first Commandment, “GOD FIRST” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the second Commandment, “GOD’S NAME and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 3rd Commandment, “GOD’S DAY” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 4th Commandment, “HONOR FATHER AND MOTHER” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 5th Commandment “DON’T KILL” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 6th Commandment “NO ADULTERY” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 7th COmandment " DON’T STEAL” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 8th Commandment “DON’T BEAR FALSE WITNESS” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 9th Commandment “DON’T COVET NEIGHBORS’ WIFE” and say a Hail Mary.
I think of the 10th Commandment “DON’T COVET NEIGHBORS’ GOODS” and say a Hail Mary.

In doing so, I am able to pray the rosary without a rosary, and without having to count with my fingers, or say the numbers. And aside from saying a decade of Hail Mary’s, I have also said and contemplated on the Ten Commandments.

So for the Joyful Myteries, this means the 10 Commandments will be said 5 times. So too for the Sorrowful Mysteries. An also for the Glorious Mysteries.

I also use this when saying the Chaplet of the Divine Mercy.

BTW, from a priest at EWTN some 15 years ago, he pointed out that the Archangel Gabriel did not greet Mary in the Gospel as “HAIL MARY” BUT as “HAIL FULL OF GRACE”.

A nun suggested to me, that in addition to each Commandment, we should also think of the Mystery of the Rosary. I did try to do it before, but things just get jumbled in my head. And even without the mystery before each Commandment, I forget which of the 5 mysteries I am saying the decade for and end up saying one or two extra decades. Maybe, I am limited. But who knows, maybe you and others can do better. I think, I also mix up my 6th and 7th Commandments.

 

[scm]

Hesychios:

Christos Voskrese!

To say Holy Mary is as to say “saint Mary”. Mary is sanctified and deified, she is holy as we are all called to be holy. She is the great example. As we pray for each other, we especially appreciate her prayers for us, this is an appeal to her to keep us in mind and stay by our side.
Amen, amen, amen!

www.dictionary.com says that “deified” means: “To make a god of; raise to the condition of a god.”

Are you sure you mean this? There is only one God, and only 3 persons of that God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Is this Catholic doctrine? Because if it is, I missed it in Catholic school.

Stephen

 

[tuopaolo]

Zooey:

Could have been Hebrew…It had to be her native language.

It could have been Hebrew. It probably was Hebrew. But I think it also could have been any other language. Angels are able to speak in whatever language they want to and Mary with the power of the Holy Spirit would have been able to understand it (kind of like the “infused knowledge” theologians talk about)

 

[tuopaolo]

www.dictionary.com says that “deified” means: “To make a god of; raise to the condition of a god.”

Are you sure you mean this? There is only one God, and only 3 persons of that God, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Is this Catholic doctrine? Because if it is, I missed it in Catholic school.

Stephen

It’s called variously “deification” “theosis” and “divinization” and it means sharing in the very life of God by means of sanctifying grace and thus becoming like Him. In heaven our participation will be magnified. But we will never be God in the sense that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are God, uncreated and eternal divine persons.

The first quote is from the Bible and the others are from saintly Church Fathers/Doctors.

460 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81

P.S. It’s generally not a good idea to rely upon a secular dictionary when dealing with theological terms – just as it wouldn’t be a good idea to rely on a mainstream secular dictionary when dealing with medical terms – for that you’d go to a specialized medical dictionary.

 

[DustinsDad]

Fr Ambrose:

The Orthodox recite it and sing it in this form…

Virgin Mother of God, rejoice,

Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee,
blessed art thou amongst women and
blessed is the fruit of thy womb
for thou hast borne the Saviour of our souls.

See
The Orthodox Prayerbook
myriobiblos.gr/texts/english/prayerbook/main.htm

That is absolutely beautiful! Thanks.

DustinsDad