Only Catholics pray the Hail Mary?

[DustinsDad]

ryanmat12:

praying to mary is an act of worship and should be prohibited…

Typical protestant/catholic confusion with languange.

In the modern protestant viewpoint, all prayer equals worship. Not so in the Catholic view, and not so historically. If you look at your dictionary, you will see that prayer doesn’t necessarly mean worship.

ryanmat12:

…she can neither hear you or save you.

Actually, Revelation makes it quite clear that those in heaven do hear our prayers and offer them up to the Lord:

(Rev 5:8) And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;
(Rev 8:3-4) And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.

And since our prayers are mental things, one has to admit that the Lord allows those in heaven to “hear” our prayers in some way. Thus we see that it is God’s will. The Lord allows those in heaven to intercede, letting our prayers pass from us, to them, to Him.

ryanmat12:

In gods word it says there is one mediator between god and man and the man is christ jesus.

You’re only reading the last part of that passage. If you read the liines leading up to it, you will see that Christians interceeding for Christians is part of the “formula” if you will. We are all a part of the body of Christ, and he allows us to participate in His intercession:
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in every way. This is good, and it is acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, the testimony to which was borne at the proper time. (1 Tim 2:1-6)
So not only is Christian intercession allowed, it is actually urged and commanded by the Word of God. Christ’s mediation between God and man doesn’t nullify this.

ryanmat12:

Also god says you shall have no other gods before me. Also god says worship the lord your god and him only shalt thou serve.

And Amen to that brother. Mary is a creature, not God. Catholics know this.

Peace in Christ,
DustinsDad

 

[The_Eurasian]

Peace-bwu:

Bossy Britches!

Nice. you can get off the soap box now, the “all caps” preaching fails to impress. Sorry, our religion is 2,000 years old, sometimes the slang of language takes awhile to change. I am sure that we still use the original meanings for other words such as “cool.” And I assure you that you probably wouldn’t see much in Catholic literature calling Jesus “phat.” Heck I think you would be hard pressed to find a book calling him “groovy” and that was about 4 decades ago. I guess we could go back to using latin, the dead language that doesn’t change, but then you would probably accuse us of not speaking in a language that average people can understand .
Chill ! down boy, down boy! It will be ok!

To Peace-bwu and all
There are 2 kinds of peace: the peace of God and the peace of the devil. When people are making Mary a God and people who know better don’t do anything to correct it, that kind of peace is peace of the devil.

To insist on using “deification of Mary” WILL BRING CONFUSION TO THE DECENDANTS OF KETURAH, HAGAR, SARAH.

A third to a half of the world are Chinese, and most of Chinese believe in ANCESTOR WORSHIP. The Chinese PAGODA actually is a modified INDIAN SUPA, those brass towers in the form of rounded bowls of brass one on top of the other. And what is a SUPA??? It is a cemetery, a tomb where they put the ashes, remains of their dead, their ancestors. That’s why there is the story of Aladdin’s lamp where a GENIE grants 3 wishes.

The decendants of Hagar love the Blessed Mother. But they will, and rightly so, not adore anybody but GOD. To insist on this term “deification of Mary” when you know full well that Mary is only a creature who should not be adored, will bring conflict where there is none-- BECAUSE BOTH MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THE SAME THING, - THAT ONLY GOD SHOULD BE ADORED, THE FIRST COMMANDMENT!!!

In Latin, DEUS IS GOD. And its various Latin forms like DEI, DEO, DEUM all mean God to people. I know and Hezekyos knows that by deification, you mean obeying God’s command for people to BE PERFECT AS THE FATHER IS PERFECT. Yes, PERFECT OBEDIENCE TO THE COMMANDMENTS IS THE IDEAL. AND THAT IS WHAT MARY DOES. AND AS EVERYBODY CAN SEE IN THE PORTRAIT OF OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE, MARY TELLS US CLEARLY AS SHE TOLD THE AZTECS IN HER PICTURE THAT WE ALL CAN SEE, “SHE IS NO GOD”!!! FOR IN THE PICTURE SHE IS LOOKING SIDEWAYS AND DOWNWARDS.

AND THE DECENDANTS OF HAGAR, KETURAH, SARAH ARE ALL HONORED IN THE VEIL OF THE BLESSED MOTHER FOR TO ABRAHAM, GOD PROMISED, "YOUR DECENDANTS WILL BE AS NUMEROUS AS THE STARS IN THE SKY!!! In Revelations, we see a woman and on her head a crown of 12 stars. In our lady of Guadalupe, we see a woman and on her head a, A VEIL OF CONSTELLATIONS OF STARS, THE DECENDANTS OF ABRAHAM!!! GUADALUPE!!! A NAME GIVEN BY THE DECENDANTS OF HAGAR THEMSELVES TO A RIVER IN SPAIN!!! IN ARABIC, GUADA=RIVER, LUPE=FOX.

Yes, Peace-bwu. A little humility on our part will bring sanity and peace to the decendants of Abraham all over the world. Abraham could have had only one wife. But he didn’t. He decided to have 3. And in so doing, all these decendants from his later 2 wives. God loves the decendants of Abraham. That’s why He sent the Angel Gabriel to Hagar and her son, Ishmael in the desert. IT IS RIGHT THERE IN THE BIBLE!!! At birth, his first visitors were most likely ANCIENT PALESTINIANS!!! BECAUSE THEY WERE ONLY SHEPHERDS!!! Before Christ First Public Miracle in Cana where he changed jars of water into the best of wines, CHRIST WAS WITH THE ANCIENT PALESTINIANS CALLED SAMARITANS. HE HAD A LONG PLEASANT CONVERSATION WITH THE SAMARITAN WOMAN AT JACOB"S WELL, NOONTIME, SAME TIME AS MARY’S APPEARANCE IN FATIMA, ALSO ALWAYS EXACTLY 12:00 NOON. IN FACT ALWAYS MOMENTS PRECEEDED BY A LIGHTNING IN THE EAST NO MATTER WHAT THE WEATHER IN THE 13th OF EACH OF THOSE 5 MONTHS.

And WHAT IS THE POSTURE OF ADORATION TO GOD AS TAUGHT BY THE ANGEL OF PORTUGAL??? SAME POSTURE OF ADORATION USED BY THE DECENDANTS OF HAGAR!!! AND IT IS RIGHT THERE IN A PLACE NAMED AFTER MAHOMET’S DAUGHTER, FATIMA!!! DECENDANTS OF HAGAR MAY THINK THAT THEY ARE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS. BUT LOOKING AT THESE APPARITIONS, AND HOW CHRIST TREATED THE ANCIENT PALESTINIAN SAMARITANS, I CAN SEE THAT GOD LOVES THE DECENDANTS OF HAGAR AND HAS NOT FORGOTTEN THEM!!!