Now, if we don’t agree with your interpretation, it’s ignorance?(i don’t respond to ignorance, it bothers me)
You are right. It’s okay to asks others to pray for you in the name of Jesus. But you can’t pray to dead saints, they can not hear you.Catholics will tell you, there is only ONE mediator and that is Christ.
Asking Mary, or anyone else in heaven to pray for you is no different than asking a person in your Church to pray for you…
No, its the personal opinions and attacks. I am speaking on ignorance in the Word also. I post scripture and if you don’t agree then provide scripture to back your claim. I welcome feedback, but only scripture based. Opinions and attacks are not needed. If you don’t believe me, read my threads and see what your catholics friends say. No scripture to back their claims. That’s what I mean by ignorance.Now, if we don’t agree with your interpretation, it’s ignorance?
We receive our interpretation through the authority given to His Church, since it is the pillar and ground of truth and the place where the manifold wisdom of God maybe made known. What is your authority for your interpretation?
Well and good. . .but how can you be sure the Holy Spirit is answering you, and not an evil spirit?Again, what does that profit you. You only want me to answer that so you can attack me.
When I read I pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Do you think that a person has to provide you with an interpretation for you to believe to be true. I put my trust in God not a man.
What does that profit YOU?Now, if we don’t agree with your interpretation, it’s ignorance?
We receive our interpretation through the authority given to His Church, since it is the pillar and ground of truth and the place where the manifold wisdom of God maybe made known. What is your authority for your interpretation?
Not numbed, but perfected.I was not understanding the protestant point on this before, but now it seems to be the only way to reconcile all this. On top of the fact, how do you reconcile being in heaven when KNOWING a family member is in eternal hell? That can’t feel like heaven unless your brain is numbed by God to not remember that person at all.
If I am mistaken then CORRECT me but use scripture and EXPLAIN it.Well and good. . .but how can you be sure the Holy Spirit is answering you, and not an evil spirit?
Feelings? Feelings are subjective and can often be mistaken.
“Assurance” by the spirit? Evil spirits would be quick to ‘lie’ and to say they were good ones.
What else can you offer to ‘prove’ that you both ‘hear’ the guidance of the Spirit AND that it is the one and only Holy Spirit and not an evil spirit?
Circular reasoning won’t work. If you ‘read’ a scripture passage, think ‘it sounds like it COULD mean this’, ‘ask’ the Spirit, and get a ‘reassuring feeling’, you’ll say,
"I consulted the spirit and I’m assured that this passage means X’. .
But you haven’t proved a thing. You could be completely mistaken in your reading, completely mistaken in your ‘hearing’ or feeling. . .and there’s no way you can be positive you really DID hear the Spirit. . .
Chapter and verse from Scripture that those who are dead in Christ cannot ‘hear’. Specifically, now.You are right. It’s okay to asks others to pray for you in the name of Jesus. But you can’t pray to dead saints, they can not hear you.
Ecc. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.Chapter and verse from Scripture that those who are dead in Christ cannot ‘hear’. Specifically, now.
I want to see’ Those who have died in Christ do not and cannot hear those on earth.
The problem with one claiming Holy Spirit guidance is the many denominations in the world, all with slight to great differences in doctrines, and all based on someone’s private interpretation and all claiming guidance of the Holy Spirit. Does the Holy Spirit give multiple ‘truths’ that conflict with each other?Again, what does that profit you. You only want me to answer that so you can attack me.
When I read I pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Do you think that a person has to provide you with an interpretation for you to believe to be true. I put my trust in God not a man.
I see you have found something to use against me. That’s how you do it.The problem with one claiming Holy Spirit guidance is the many denominations in the world, all with slight to great differences in doctrines, and all based on someone’s private interpretation and all claiming guidance of the Holy Spirit. Does the Holy Spirit give multiple ‘truths’ that conflict with each other?
Did you read Nehemiah 8? Those people had the scriptures explained to them.
**Nehemiah 8
1And all the people gathered themselves together as one man into the street that was before the water gate; and they spake unto Ezra the scribe to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the LORD had commanded to Israel.
2And Ezra the priest brought the law before the congregation both of men and women, and all that could hear with understanding, upon the first day of the seventh month.
3And he read therein before the street that was before the water gate from the morning until midday, before the men and the women, and those that could understand; and the ears of all the people were attentive unto the book of the law.
4And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose; and beside him stood Mattithiah, and Shema, and Anaiah, and Urijah, and Hilkiah, and Maaseiah, on his right hand; and on his left hand, Pedaiah, and Mishael, and Malchiah, and Hashum, and Hashbadana, Zechariah, and Meshullam.
5And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people) and when he opened it, all the people stood up:
6And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with their faces to the ground.
7Also Jeshua, and Bani, and Sherebiah, Jamin, Akkub, Shabbethai, Hodijah, Maaseiah, Kelita, Azariah, Jozabad, Hanan, Pelaiah, and the Levites, caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.
8So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.**
Having scriptures explained was not limited to Old Testament times as we see from the example of Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch?
Act 8:30 And Philip running thither, heard him reading the prophet Isaias. And he said: Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?
Act 8:31 Who said: And how can I, unless some man shew me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Act 8:32 And the place of the scripture which he was reading was this: He was led as a sheep to the slaughter: and like a lamb without voice before his shearer, so openeth he not his mouth.
Act 8:33 In humility his judgment was taken away. His generation who shall declare, for his life shall be taken from the earth?
Act 8:34 And the eunuch answering Philip, said: I beseech thee, of whom doth the prophet speak this? Of himself, or of some other man?
Act 8:35 Then Philip, opening his mouth and beginning at this scripture, preached unto him Jesus.
There are more examples and I would be more than happy to provide them for you, if you wish.
I am not attacking you. I am defending my faith from your assertions and I’m using scriptures to do so. Any honest person would admit that the Catholic beliefs come from an interpretation of scriptures, even if they do not agree with that interpertation.
Are you saying the scriptures contradict each other?Ecc. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Want more on the sleep of death?
Well, you tell me so that I can know if you are mistaken.If I am mistaken then CORRECT me but use scripture and EXPLAIN it.
Wait, you asked me to provide you with verse and chapter and I did. Let’s finish that conversation before you find something else to attack me on.Well, you tell me so that I can know if you are mistaken.
How do you 'know" you have received guidance from the Holy Spirit? I asked about a couple of things and you never answered so please, tell me how you KNOW what the Spirit has said regarding any Scripture passage which you are studying.
I am not ‘finding’ things to use against you. I am providing scriptures, the written word of God, to show you how Catholics believe as they do. Is it your purpose to use verses to somehow go ‘against’ Catholicism?I see you have found something to use against me. That’s how you do it.
Now, how do you reconcile that with the fact that this is the Old Testament and refers to those who die ‘before’ Christ, and that in the New Testament God is referred to as the God of the living, and that those who die in Christ (that’s why I was specific in pointing out “die in Christ” because that marks the ‘change’ that Christ’s death has made, in that we are no longer dead in sin) are no longer dead?Ecc. 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Want more on the sleep of death?
No, I never said that and you know it. That is what the Bible say, and I will not argue about that. Take that one to the ones who are in authority over you.Are you saying the scriptures contradict each other?
**Mar 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You therefore do greatly err. **
No, I’m not attacking you. No, you didn’t provide chapter and verse to explain how you KNOW that you have been ‘assured’ by the Spirit. You provided it on something different. Please finish the first conversation about your assurance before changing the subject, thank you.Wait, you asked me to provide you with verse and chapter and I did. Let’s finish that conversation before you find something else to attack me on.
I did not say that you can’t ask Mary or anyone eles in heaven to pray for you. Did you read my posts 22-25-35 I believe I made my self clear on this matter.Catholics will tell you, there is only ONE mediator and that is Christ.
Asking Mary, or anyone else in heaven to pray for you is no different than asking a person in your Church to pray for you…
You said that in Ezra, those who have died know nothing. The Sadducees were speaking to Jesus about those who had died, and asking which of 7 men would be the husband of a woman they all had married. And Jesus tells the Sadducees, and you, that those people–those who had died–were no longer dead because God is God of the living.No, I never said that and you know it. That is what the Bible say, and I will not argue about that. Take that one to the ones who are in authority over you.
What is the contradictory?