only one correct religion with the truth?

[Matthew_Light]

The Qu’ran also says this:

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger from Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His Messengers. Say not “Three”: desist: It will be better for you: For Allah is One God: Glory be to Him: (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. [Qur’an 4:171]

Direct contradiction of Christ.

I’m trying to see the contradiction.

Jesus is listed as a messenger, as the Word of God, and as the Spirit from God.

The book of John calls Jesus the Word of God.

 

[marywarfield]

I’m trying to see the contradiction.

Jesus is listed as a messenger, as the Word of God, and as the Spirit from God.

The book of John calls Jesus the Word of God.

The difference is Matthew is Jesus IS God. Jesus is BOTH
Son of God AND God the Son.
And the Qu’ran says no.

 

[openmind77]

So are you eating the bread that is His Flesh or
are you dead now?

Each religion has its version of the holy communion - so nobody is dead. If you go to Hindu temple they will always give you something to eat (called prasad). If you go to a Gurudwara (Sjkh), they will give you a full meal.

But if you are a Christian and refuse to take communion you are adversely affecting your life (but you still won’t be dead).

So I was not saying that communion is not important, it is just not necessary for being saved.

 

[Nicea325]

Quite absurd to say that Jesus is a liar.

What he said in John 6:53 was “Unless you eat my flesh you have no real life in you.”

This has nothing to do with your future life. He is talking about the life as you experience it now.

The Eucharist is not just for our earthly lives. Why are you ruling out eternity?

 

[marywarfield]

Each religion has its version of the holy communion - so nobody is dead.

But if you are a Christian and refuse to take communion you are adversely affecting your life (but you still won’t be dead).

No. I’m looking at all the Last Supper gospels.
Christ clearly says THIS bread. THIS cup.

He didn’t say this one or some variation of.

Now you said He’s talking about THIS life not a future life

Well even if that’s true what He is saying is:
If you don’t eat THIS bread you are dead.

Again you can’t have it both ways. It’s either one or
the other. Choose.

 

[openmind77]

The Eucharist is not just for our earthly lives. Why are you ruling out eternity?

Again I did not say the Eucharist is not useful and important for your life after death, John 6:54 actually says that.

I am just saying that it is not necessary - 6:54 does not say you will not be saved if you don’t partake.

 

[marywarfield]

Again I did not say the Eucharist is not useful and important for your life after death, John 6:54 actually says that.

I am just saying that it is not necessary - 6:54 does not say you will not be saved if you don’t partake.

Come on guys. There is no 100 percent truth in
Islam, Ba’hai and Christianity. They contradict each
other directly therefore one or more is false.
You guys keep trying to make a case for equal
truth by sticking square pegs in round holes.

 

[openmind77]

No. I’m looking at all the Last Supper gospels.
Christ clearly says THIS bread. THIS cup.

He didn’t say this one or some variation of.

Now you said He’s talking about THIS life not a future life

Well even if that’s true what He is saying is:
If you don’t eat THIS bread you are dead.

Again you can’t have it both ways. It’s either one or
the other. Choose.

Just because he did not say there is no equivalent, does not mean there is not.

This is what I mean by reading more into his words than he he actually says.

And I like said even as a Christian if you do eat the bread, does not mean you are dead (where does he use the word dead?). It just means the life is not the same without it.

 

[marywarfield]

Just because he did not say there is no equivalent, does not mean there is not.

This is what I mean by reading more into his words than he he actually says.

And I like said even as a Christian if you do eat the bread, does not mean you are dead (where does he use the word dead?). It just means the life is not the same without it.

I don’t think Christ stuttered. His words at the Last
Supper were the most direct and clear out of all
the words in the Bible.

This bread- His Flesh.
Not somebody else’s flesh not some other type of
food. THIS Bread, THIS Flesh.

 

[openmind77]

I don’t think Christ stuttered. His words at the Last
Supper were the most direct and clear out of all
the words in the Bible.

This bread- His Flesh.
Not somebody else’s flesh not some other type of
food. THIS Bread, THIS Flesh.

The mistake is believing that the Son is exclusive to Christianity.

Although we don’t call it ‘the flesh’, the food that is eaten has the presence of God in a similar way.

Anyway, there is no THIS Bread - it is different in each church.

 

[Matthew_Light]

Come on guys. There is no 100 percent truth in
Islam, Ba’hai and Christianity. They contradict each
other directly therefore one or more is false.

I don’t see the contradictions. I see different descriptions of the same Reality in the Tanakh, New Testament, Qur’an and the Baha’i Revelation.

 

[marywarfield]

I don’t see the contradictions. I see different descriptions of the same Reality in the Tanakh, New Testament, Qur’an and the Baha’i Revelation.

Again I repeat. Christianity claims Christ is Son
of God and God the Son. God is Trinity.

Islam very clearly says: No Way.

Baha’i says both have equal truth.

Sorry- not possible. I don’t want to go into a
big probability and statistics discussion here
to prove diametrically opposing views
are actually the same view. No they are not.

If Christ was the finis Muhammad is an interloper.
If Muhammad was true Christ was a liar.

They simply cannot be equal in truth. Not my fault
that they have some things in common but very
extreme contradictions.

 

[Per_Crucem]

Again I repeat. Christianity claims Christ is Son
of God and God the Son. God is Trinity.

Islam very clearly says: No Way.

Baha’i says both have equal truth.

Sorry- not possible. I don’t want to go into a
big probability and statistics discussion here
to prove diametrically opposing views
are actually the same view. No they are not.

If Christ was the finis Muhammad is an interloper.
If Muhammad was true Christ was a liar.

They simply cannot be equal in truth. Not my fault
that they have some things in common but very
extreme contradictions.

Arguing with a relativist is like arguing with jello, Mary. Theological relativism is the only area of human existence wherein it is seen as logical to functionally be insane. No one would ever approach daily life this way. But alas.

 

[Matthew_Light]

Again I repeat. Christianity claims Christ is Son
of God and God the Son. God is Trinity.

Where does Jesus say that God is a Trinity?

Islam very clearly says: No Way.

Yes.

Baha’i says both have equal truth.

Yes, the Baha’i Faith explains that, in comparison to us, Jesus is God. But of course Jesus explained distinctions between the Father and the Son. So clearly the issue is more complicated than a simplistic “Jesus is God” reduction.

Sorry- not possible. I don’t want to go into a
big probability and statistics discussion here
to prove diametrically opposing views
are actually the same view. No they are not.

That’s OK, I don’t much care about concepts that we (as flawed and limited human beings) simply cannot understand completely anyway.

It is far more important to recognize Jesus is Lord and to obey Him, than to argue about the exact relationship between Christ and the Father.

If Christ was the finis Muhammad is an interloper.

Where did Jesus said there wouldn’t be any more prophets?

If Muhammad was true Christ was a liar.

Where did Muhammad call Jesus a liar?

They simply cannot be equal in truth. Not my fault
that they have some things in common but very
extreme contradictions.

Maybe you can point out things Jesus said that are extreme contradictions with the Qur’an?

 

[Matthew_Light]

Arguing with a relativist is like arguing with jello, Mary.

Here is Saint Paul:

“When I was a child I spake as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.”

Is Paul not saying that theological truth is relative to our understanding?

 

[Nicea325]

Again I did not say the Eucharist is not useful and important for your life after death, John 6:54 actually says that.

I am just saying that it is not necessary - 6:54 does not say you will not be saved if you don’t partake.

Come again? You are not using the verse in its proper context with all of John 6.

 

[Per_Crucem]

Here is Saint Paul:

“When I was a child I spake as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.”

Is Paul not saying that theological truth is relative to our understanding?

No. The truth itself doesn’t change. Our understanding of it might. That would be a greater depth of understanding. But the object understood doesn’t change. What Paul is not saying is that contradiction is an acceptable form of truth. For it’s impossible for the truth to contradict itself. Something cannot be A and not A at the same time.

 

[Per_Crucem]

Where does Jesus say that God is a Trinity?

Matthew 28 for one. Not to mention what his disciples wrote about it. Since we believe the words of the disciples are the words of Christ Himself, then it also means his disciples words are His.

Yes, the Baha’i Faith explains that, in comparison to us, Jesus is God. But of course Jesus explained distinctions between the Father and the Son. So clearly the issue is more complicated than a simplistic “Jesus is God” reduction.

Can you point to where Jesus said that in comparison to us, He is God? Or does He call Himself Alpha and Omega, the Word, the Son of Man (a title of deity, btw), the one with the same authority as the Father et al, ad infinitum? Distinctions in Person, yes. Distinctions in Being, no.

That’s OK, I don’t much care about concepts that we (as flawed and limited human beings) simply cannot understand completely anyway.

Except that you claim to understand that you can’t understand. So you are actually making an objective claim.

It is far more important to recognize Jesus is Lord and to obey Him, than to argue about the exact relationship between Christ and the Father.

Jesus didn’t think so. He cast the Pharisees as servants of Satan for not understanding the relationship between Christ and the Father.

Where did Jesus said there wouldn’t be any more prophets?

Hebrews 1 (as just one example).

Where did Muhammad call Jesus a liar?

Jesus claimed to be God. Muhammad said Jesus did not claim to be God.

 

[marywarfield]

Matthew 28 for one. Not to mention what his disciples wrote about it. Since we believe the words of the disciples are the words of Christ Himself, then it also means his disciples words are His.

Can you point to where Jesus said that in comparison to us, He is God? Or does He call Himself Alpha and Omega, the Word, the Son of Man (a title of deity, btw), the one with the same authority as the Father et al, ad infinitum? Distinctions in Person, yes. Distinctions in Being, no.

Except that you claim to understand that you can’t understand. So you are actually making an objective claim.

Jesus didn’t think so. He cast the Pharisees as servants of Satan for not understanding the relationship between Christ and the Father.

Hebrews 1 (as just one example).

Jesus claimed to be God. Muhammad said Jesus did not claim to be God.

Thank you. Very clear and concise points. I just
got too pooped to continue lol

 

[Per_Crucem]

Thank you. Very clear and concise points. I just
got too pooped to continue lol

LoL I don’t blame you