only one correct religion with the truth?

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Judas_Thaddeus said:
God loves you so much that he did offer his only Son to die for you, nevertheless it is your choice, from a Christian per–
spective, to partake of God’s offer, and be saved, for quoting Scripture now, “God so loved the world, that he gave up his
only-begotten Son, so that those who believe in him may not perish, but have eternal life” (John 3:16).

Please pardon the wording here, but if you don’t want God, you don’t get God, and that is an eternal decision. God is all
Good, anything apart from God is Bad, and God has a place to separate the Bad from the Good.

Quoting Scripture again: Jesus answered, “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except
through me” (John 14:6). So God is the ONLY means of salvation, and he literally is offering himself on a silver platter for
you to accept him.

Final Words: As a former Pagan, I urge you to accept Christianity and the God who died for you, now, because there are
two possible ways to become Christian. Either you accept and surrender to Christ or you resist him until you break, the
latter being a VERY UNPLEASANT process. Seriously, it’s scary, for me I realized, “Oh my God, I’m going Hell!” and it
took a while before I was laid again on green pastures by gentle streams. God is very merciful, but if you REFUSE his
mercy . . . (you know). :sad_yes:
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please don’t patronize me. I find fear of damnation a very poor reason to honor a deity. Frankly that feels like an abusive relationship.
 
Lokadottir said:
please don’t patronize me. I find fear of damnation a very poor reason to honor a deity. Frankly that feels like an abusive relationship.
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I believe Judas Thaddeus was being anecdotal, not patronizing. Going to hell is something that occurs by being outside a relationship with God, specifically the relationship is adopted sons of God, therefore hell cannot cause an abusive relationship, because there is no relationship.

You might have missed the mentions of mercy.
 
Darryl_B said:
I believe Judas Thaddeus was being anecdotal, not patronizing. Going to hell is something that occurs by being outside a relationship with God, specifically the relationship is adopted sons of God, therefore hell cannot cause an abusive relationship, because there is no relationship.

You might have missed the mentions of mercy.
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the "you know :sad_yes: " feels highly patronizing I may have called it wrong. Is the separation from God catholic doctrine or one interpretation?
 
ggarcia19 said:
I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?
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I think that religion is a hypothesis regarding the metaphysical where the only data is personal experience.
To assert one religion over another is to assert as an undeniable truth is illogical. Even if there can only be ONE truth there is no reason for me to believe its Catholicism. I can handle the assertion there is only one truth, a very much disagree, but yeah I can handle that. What I cannot comprehend is someone asserting that since there is one truth that person’s choice of religion must be that one truth. It’s a huge conclusion to leap to.

But I don’t think there has to be one truth the world is too complex for that. A particle can be in two places at the same time. Why can’t nonphysical things exist all at once?
 
Lokadottir said:
the "you know :sad_yes: " feels highly patronizing I may have called it wrong. Is the separation from God catholic doctrine or one interpretation?
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Yes. The “you know” appears to imply fill in the gaps because people can be highly sensitive to the “you know”. So much so sometimes it is the only thing they see being preached and then entirely overlook the actual message, mercy and grace.
 
Lokadottir said:
please don’t patronize me. I find fear of damnation a very poor reason to honor a deity. Frankly that feels like an abusive relationship.
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More like God is saying, “Don’t go near that burning building, you’ll get hurt,” and choosing
whether or not to pay heed to that commandment. “Fear of Damnation” for eternity is a ver-
reasonable cause to honor a deity, really, when you consider eternity; however, a far better
reason to honor a deity would be that he came himself in the flesh to be that final sacrifice
for the sins of all who believe on him.
 
Lokadottir said:
I think that religion is a hypothesis regarding the metaphysical where the only data is personal experience.
To assert one religion over another is to assert as an undeniable truth is illogical. Even if there can only be ONE truth there is no reason for me to believe its Catholicism. I can handle the assertion there is only one truth, a very much disagree, but yeah I can handle that. What I cannot comprehend is someone asserting that since there is one truth that person’s choice of religion must be that one truth. It’s a huge conclusion to leap to.

But I don’t think there has to be one truth the world is too complex for that. A particle can be in two places at the same time. Why can’t nonphysical things exist all at once?
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Well, they can, but not if they contradict each other.

The question is: what can we say for sure about what spiritual things contradict each other?

One that particularly exercises me is the apparent conflict between the Christian affirmation of an eternal, infinite, perfect God and the Buddhist doctrine of impermanence. I am not entirely convinced that these two things can’t both be true, which many folks on this forum would hold to be absurd.

But I think it is important to have some account of how the reality you believe in relates to other people’s reality. It may be a working hypothesis rather than the absolute certainty many would prefer. But simply accepting contradictory narratives without any attempt to reconcile them is a bad habit, I think, because it creates a complete disjunction between our critical faculties/love of truth and our spiritual impulses.

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Well, they can, but not if they contradict each other.

The question is: what can we say for sure about what spiritual things contradict each other?

One that particularly exercises me is the apparent conflict between the Christian affirmation of an eternal, infinite, perfect God and the Buddhist doctrine of impermanence. I am not entirely convinced that these two things can’t both be true, which many folks on this forum would hold to be absurd.
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I think Guatama Buddha was reacting against the polytheism of his time.

This statement comes from the Pali Buddhist scriptures:

“Oh disciples, there is an Unborn, an Unmade, Uncreated, Unformed, if there were not, oh disciples, an Unborn, an Unmade, Uncreated, Unformed, there would be no issue for the born, the produced, the created, the formed.”
 
Contarini said:
Well, they can, but not if they contradict each other.

The question is: what can we say for sure about what spiritual things contradict each other?

One that particularly exercises me is the apparent conflict between the Christian affirmation of an eternal, infinite, perfect God and the Buddhist doctrine of impermanence. I am not entirely convinced that these two things can’t both be true, which many folks on this forum would hold to be absurd.

But I think it is important to have some account of how the reality you believe in relates to other people’s reality. It may be a working hypothesis rather than the absolute certainty many would prefer. But simply accepting contradictory narratives without any attempt to reconcile them is a bad habit, I think, because it creates a complete disjunction between our critical faculties/love of truth and our spiritual impulses.

Edwin
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I don’t really try to reconcile them because I don’t hold all of them so there isn’t a disjunction. I think its absurd to throw out an eternal deity and impermanence, especially when you believe in 3 persons in one God which is also inherently contradictory. waits for the onslaught of “NO IT IS NOT!”
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
More like God is saying, “Don’t go near that burning building, you’ll get hurt,” and choosing
whether or not to pay heed to that commandment. “Fear of Damnation” for eternity is a ver-
reasonable cause to honor a deity, really, when you consider eternity; however, a far better
reason to honor a deity would be that he came himself in the flesh to be that final sacrifice
for the sins of all who believe on him.
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I honor my Gods because I respect Them and They respect me. I honor them to form a relationship with them. I would never convert back to Catholicism because I was AFRAID. The dying for me requires I believe humanity needs salvation. I do not.
 
Lokadottir said:
I think its absurd to throw out an eternal deity and impermanence, especially when you believe in 3 persons in one God which is also inherently contradictory. waits for the onslaught of “NO IT IS NOT!”
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Well, it isn’t. All you need to show that a contradiction isn’t involved is to show that what you affirm threeness of is different from that of which you affirm oneness. And that has been done. You may find the solution unsatisfactory, but it’s superficial and a cheap shot to claim “it’s obviously contradictory just because the words “three” and “one” are being used in the same sentence.”

The work has not been done with regard to the problem I raised, and it’s much more difficult to see how it can be resolved.

So I see nothing absurd here at all.

Like most people who abandon a tradition, you are prone to taking cheap shots at your former religion:p. I get why people do this, but I think it’s a habit best avoided. I don’t always succeed in avoiding it myself (ask me about dispensationalist theology sometime:mad:).

Edwin
 
Contarini said:
Well, it isn’t. All you need to show that a contradiction isn’t involved is to show that what you affirm threeness of is different from that of which you affirm oneness. And that has been done. You may find the solution unsatisfactory, but it’s superficial and a cheap shot to claim “it’s obviously contradictory just because the words “three” and “one” are being used in the same sentence.”

The work has not been done with regard to the problem I raised, and it’s much more difficult to see how it can be resolved.

So I see nothing absurd here at all.

Like most people who abandon a tradition, you are prone to taking cheap shots at your former religion:p. I get why people do this, but I think it’s a habit best avoided. I don’t always succeed in avoiding it myself (ask me about dispensationalist theology sometime:mad:).

Edwin
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No, not a cheap shot. Merely an illustration that the metaphysical is hardly bounded by physical laws and if you believe in one thing that is not bounded by physical rules why can’t other metaphysical things like truth be the same? The last part is a bit tongue in cheek because I’ve mentioned that the trinity is hardly logical and its no wonder there are varying opinions amongst denominations.
 
I think this thread shows quite plainly that if we look for the One God and the One Truth exclusively within a religion, then it will always fall short.

How many Christians have a different idea as to what is the Truth?

How many Muslims have a different idea as to what is the Truth?

One God One Faith is recorded in the Holy Books of the past, a promise that it will happen! When we look at the religions with this Aim in mind, then all the Scriptures of the past complement each other as a guide unto all truth.

God doeth as He Willeth a good foundation of belief 👍

Regards Tony
 
Lynxdk said:
God, even still, loves Judas. What else doesn’t relate?
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So does God love those that are in hell? Now I’m assuming Judas is in hell because he took his own life. He could have been forgiven for betraying Jesus, but he then committed a mortal sin. So…
 
The Vortex with Michael Voris was excellent today (“pro-life field trip” - Jan 27 2014) about this topic.
 
tonyfish58 said:
I think this thread shows quite plainly that if we look for the One God and the One Truth exclusively within a religion, then it will always fall short.

How many Christians have a different idea as to what is the Truth?

How many Muslims have a different idea as to what is the Truth?

One God One Faith is recorded in the Holy Books of the past, a promise that it will happen! When we look at the religions with this Aim in mind, then all the Scriptures of the past complement each other as a guide unto all truth.

God doeth as He Willeth a good foundation of belief 👍

Regards Tony
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Okay I’m a hard polytheist but… :clapping::hug3::flowers:
 
CWM31 said:
As i have been LDS from the beginning of my life and just realizing the last several months that my faith is just yet another line of those 30k plus denominations, it is a wonder to me why there must be so many, to me these sects may preach of Christ and perhaps teach sound moral doctrine but in the end i have found that the Roman Catholic Church is the original church that Jesus himself founded. Its principles to me are sound and great in many ways. These other faiths sadly have not motivated me, but now the Catholic Church has. I realize we may all have differing opinions but the RCC is the church for my time as the most correct and to me, Christ centered faith.
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My brother or sister in Christ, you are not alone in proclaiming what you said. If we set aside being judge for mankind, all creation have no choice but to obey what our Lord Jesus commanded before He died. It not only fulfilled what the Holy Book prophesied but having God in our midst proclaiming the Good News therefore chose men to become His succesors so that all the things he said must be obeyed and continued until the end of time. Being a Catholic, I have to problem with our brothers and sisters who got lost but are sincere in having love for God and their neighbors, and to worhip Him. What important for us Catholics who remained in the Faith is because it is indeed the Church that was divinely founded by Christ. Many were led astray because of each man’s understanding, some were duped with powerful evangelization and charisma. Many also refused the dogmas of the Church which for some reason may be difficult to comprehend by others. We proclaim that the Catholic Church was founded in Divinity, but may be administered by humanity. Anything that men accused of the Church to be doing contrary are not at all directed to the Divinity because after all, it is indeed the Church founded by Christ. Welcome Home in advance!
 
Lokadottir said:
Okay I’m a hard polytheist but… :clapping::hug3::flowers:
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Then dear Lokadottir, I would like to share with you a writing as to what I think your reply has shown and what the One True God counsels us to be like!
  1. O SON OF SPIRIT!
    My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting. 😉 👍
May all people of all Faiths and those who do not profess a Faith, one and all achieve this Goal!

God Bless and Regards Tony
 
tonyfish58 said:
Then dear Lokadottir, I would like to share with you a writing as to what I think your reply has shown and what the One True God counsels us to be like!
  1. O SON OF SPIRIT!
    My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting. 😉 👍
May all people of all Faiths and those who do not profess a Faith, one and all achieve this Goal!

God Bless and Regards Tony
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I’ll trade you for a couple stanzas of the Havamal!
“Cattle die, | and kinsmen die,
And so one dies one’s self;
But a noble name | will never die,
If good renown one gets.
Cattle die, | and kinsmen die,
And so one dies one’s self;
One thing now | that never dies,
The fame of a dead man’s deeds.” (Havamal 77-78)

Leave something worth leaving. Make the world better!
 
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