only one correct religion with the truth?

[Veedar]

it is good that a person knows the tenets of the faith he or she professes.

it is not very illuminating to describe what is taught and believed as a jumble of thoughts.

in fact, the RC faith is cohesive, consistent, logical and rational in all of its teachings.

that does not mean that all of its teachings are easy to learn and comprehend.

it is true however that the essence of the RC faith is the grace the individual receives in placing his or her complete trust in Jesus Christ. in other words, knowledge of the details is not required to receive the graces inherent in RC belief and practice.

A bundle of thoughts may not be very illuminating. I far prefer direct experience (“if only I could write a poem as lovely as a tree” and all that). And that is precisely what formulas are: dry bundles of thought, unless they are illuminated through living experience.

As for cohesiveness, consistency etc… Well, I am not going to hijack this thread and start a completely different debate. I see lots and lots of inconsistencies in dogmas. I suppose it is inevitable to a certain extent, since they are human creations. But I also see beauty and consistency.

 

[Church_Militant]

I think that if there is such a thing as objective truth (and I believe there is) then the assertion is concretely verifiable and so your premise is in error.

Oh…you were raised Catholic and are now in with Pentecostals? I can relate. See My Testimony and consider the following.

• Who REALLY Preaches “A Different Gospel”?
• Does the Bible teach that everything that we believe and practice has to be found in its pages?
• The Rapture?

 

[Tarpeian]

It’s not that its not true. It’s that it isn’t the ONLY truth. The “THE” indicates some sort of ultimate truth, an “answer to life, the universe, and everything” sort of thing.
And if there IS only one truth i don’t believe ANYONE can say what that one truth is.

Where have I heard that before:roll eyes: Pilate?

 

[tonyfish58]

of course, God’s name of I AM is not only found in christian scriptures. it is present in the hebrew scriptures from at least one thousand years before the advent of christianity.

all of the writings quoted from bab contain nothing of eternal consequence that had not previously been revealed.

those words appear to me to be, in some respects, a simple rephrasing of earlier writings.

i would be interested in knowing what a bahai finds so new and profound in those writings. like is said, i found nothing new in them.

and my conclusion is that anyone can copy what others said and wrote in an earlier time.

bahai might call it revelation, but surely revelation should produce information that is both new and of value to those who hear and read it.

what is new and of value in those words quoted above from bab?

Eddie - Nothing new You sure you reading the same scriptures I am

It is not unusual for people to see the same truths in Gods Word, that would stand to reason if there is only one source of truth!

The value is that the Bab came to usher in the Promised day of God as prophesied in the Bible! What can be mightier than that if it is the Truth? Baha’u’llah is that Promised One, showing to us Christ in all His Glory and if indeed one day you do read the writings of the Baha’i Faith you will see an ocean of new meaning crashing on the shore in front of you in never ending waves of Truth!

Why would any one want to miss out on that

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[eddie_too]

tony,

not intending anything personal, but who promised bahaullah?

what is the promised day?

 

[PJM]

=tonyfish58;11663351]It would be worth thinking about the comments you have made

Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’

1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

Mark 10:45 For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.

Is it about the Love of God, or I have the greatest Religion?

God Bless - regards Tony

So Tony, are we to understand that you do not accept Christ following OT traditions of ONLY:

One True God

Having and able to have Only One True Faith

And Only One Chosen people/church which He did not wait more than 1500 years to introduce:shrug:

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[Tom_Baum]

I think this thread shows quite plainly that if we look for the One God and the One Truth exclusively within a religion, then it will always fall short.

How many Christians have a different idea as to what is the Truth?

How many Muslims have a different idea as to what is the Truth?

One God One Faith is recorded in the Holy Books of the past, a promise that it will happen! When we look at the religions with this Aim in mind, then all the Scriptures of the past complement each other as a guide unto all truth.

God doeth as He Willeth a good foundation of belief

Regards Tony

Actually, according to God-Incarnate, the question isn’t “what is the Truth?” but “Who is the Truth?”

Big difference between the “Truth” being a thing and “Truth” being a Being.

Jesus clearly said, “I AM the Way, the TRUTH and …”, either Jesus was speaking the Truth about being the Truth or He wasn’t, personally, I believe Him even if I don’t understand it with my limited human understanding.

Wasn’t it Pilate who asked Jesus, “What is truth?”, wrong question according to what I have already mentioned about what Jesus said about “Truth”, wouldn’t you say?

By the way, Judaism flows into Christianity, islam flows from neither.

 

[PJM]

=Rence;11669530]Don’t they all teach that they are the only religion with the only truth? I don’t know of any religion that doesn’t teach that they are the only religion with the only truth. Do you? Which ones? It goes the same for people who belong to a particular religion. Why would they be a follower of that religion if they thought another religion had the only truth, while there own didn’t?

That friend is a valid point.

So just WHY did Yahweh choose Only One People; insist on only One Faith and that He -Yahweh was to be their only God?

All Christ did, it would seem is to follow this Tradition

Can there be more than ONE Truth on any defined issue?

 

[Matthew_Light]

I don’t know of any religion that doesn’t teach that they are the only religion with the only truth.

From what I have read, for example Pope John Paul II in Crossing the Threshold of Hope, the Catholic Church recognizes many truths in the other faiths.

And the Baha’i Faith certainly does not teach that it is the only religion with the only truth.

 

[PJM]

=Tom Baum;11673459]Actually, according to God-Incarnate, the question isn’t “what is the Truth?” but “Who is the Truth?”

Big difference between the “Truth” being a thing and “Truth” being a Being.

Jesus clearly said, “I AM the Way, the TRUTH and …”, either Jesus was speaking the Truth about being the Truth or He wasn’t, personally, I believe Him even if I don’t understand it with my limited human understanding.

Wasn’t it Pilate who asked Jesus, “What is truth?”, wrong question according to what I have already mentioned about what Jesus said about “Truth”, wouldn’t you say?

By the way, Judaism flows into Christianity, islam flows from neither.

Thanks Tom

 

[PJM]

=Matthew Light;11674019]From what I have read, for example Pope John Paul II in Crossing the Threshold of Hope, the Catholic Church recognizes many truths in the other faiths.

And the Baha’i Faith certainly does not teach that it is the only religion with the only truth.

AND HERE’S A PAUL HARVEY’S REST OF THAT STORY

WHEN THEY AGREE WITH CATHOLIC TEACHING, which makes sense as all Christians faiths originated with Catholicism

GOD Bless you!

 

[tonyfish58]

tony,

not intending anything personal, but who promised Bahaullah?

what is the promised day?

eddie, thank you for the question - God promised Baha’u’llah - The Bible is packed full of references to this.

Keeping in tune with the thread, lets take a look as to what the Truth of Islam says about this - The promised day in all religions can be summed up with this explanation given by an Islam Link - one-islam.org/end_days/end_days.asp (I can agree with a lot this site has to offer re quotes, but explanations would need to be discussed)

The End of Days (also known as End Time(s), Armageddon, Apocalypse and Judgement Day) is a fundamental element of faith for Islam. It is the belief in a common scenario that: 	 
"There will be a time of great tribulation on Earth followed by the appearance of a great Saviour and/or return of a Messiah, who will usher in the Kingdom of God on Earth and bring an end to suffering and evil." 	 
How these events unfold and how they are validated differ between different sects within Islam according to the sacred scripture quoted as a sign of prophecy. 	 
In Islam, a special name is given for the End Times called Yawm al-Qīyāmah or Qiyâmah which means literally "Day of the Resurrection". Belief in Qiyâmah is part of Aqidah (Creed of Islam) and is a fundamental tenet of faith in Islam 	 
While affirmation in the belief of the End of Days is something shared by all Muslims, Christians and Jews since the earliest of days, serious interest in the credibility and validation of prophetic signs is increasing again.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

So Tony, are we to understand that you do not accept Christ following OT traditions of ONLY: One True God Having and able to have Only One True Faith

And Only One Chosen people/church which He did not wait more than 1500 years to introduce:shrug: God Bless you, Patrick

Patrick - Sorry do not quite understand the line of Questions

Baha’i Beleif can be summed as such to the questions you asked

There is One True God - Yes

Is there one True Religion (Would not use Faith) - Yes, explained as such;

“All world religions are in essence stages in the ongoing revelation of the one religion. They come from the same Source and have the same essential purpose—to guide and educate the human race. Their spiritual core is one, but they differ in their secondary aspects such as in their social teachings, which change in relation to humanity’s evolving requirements”.

One Chosen people - In the Time of the Message there are always those who are called and those who are Chosen - Many are called but few are chosen! Here are some quotes re this in this day!

Behold how the manifold grace of God, which is being showered from the clouds of Divine glory, hath, in this day, encompassed the world. For whereas in days past every lover besought and searched after his Beloved, it is the Beloved Himself Who now is calling His lovers and is inviting them to attain His presence. Take heed lest ye forfeit so precious a favor; beware lest ye belittle so remarkable a token of His grace. Abandon not the incorruptible benefits, and be not content with that which perisheth. Lift up the veil that obscureth your vision, and dispel the darkness with which it is enveloped, that ye may gaze on the naked beauty of the Beloved’s face, may behold that which no eye hath beheld, and hear that which no ear hath heard. (Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 320)

Consider how there are thousands of heedless souls who are asleep, while there is one who is conscious and awake! … Undoubtedly the friends of God have been endowed with ability and capacity, on which account they became of the “chosen” and not of the “called.” (‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Tablets of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá v1, p. 109)

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

Actually, according to God-Incarnate, the question isn’t “what is the Truth?” but “Who is the Truth?”

Big difference between the “Truth” being a thing and “Truth” being a Being.

Jesus clearly said, “I AM the Way, the TRUTH and …”, either Jesus was speaking the Truth about being the Truth or He wasn’t, personally, I believe Him even if I don’t understand it with my limited human understanding.

Wasn’t it Pilate who asked Jesus, “What is truth?”, wrong question according to what I have already mentioned about what Jesus said about “Truth”, wouldn’t you say?

By the way, Judaism flows into Christianity, islam flows from neither.

Tom Thank you for the reply - “Who is the Truth” - That is a good question to which each individual must search and decide for themselves.

"Jesus clearly said, “I AM the Way, the TRUTH and no one Comes to the Father but by Me …”, either Jesus was speaking the Truth about being the Truth or He was no’’.

Yes 100% true and Baha’u’llah has explained how this is so in many of His Writings. At this link it is discussed - bahai-library.com/stockman_jesus_bahai_writings

An extract - “A Christian theologian, John Cobb, has also recognised the ambiguity of ‘I’ and has suggested that the ‘I’ refers not to the historical Jesus, but to the eternal logos manifested in Jesus. In Bahá’í terms, Cobb is suggesting that the ‘I’ refers to the Holy Spirit common to all the Manifestations, or to their station of unity”.

Wasn’t it Pilate who asked Jesus, “What is truth?”, wrong question according to what I have already mentioned about what Jesus said about “Truth”, wouldn’t you say? - Yes

If you look at the Babs Interrogation before His Martyrdom, you will note it went just as Christs Did - All the wrong Questions asked!

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

That friend is a valid point.

So just WHY did Yahweh choose Only One People; insist on only One Faith and that He -Yahweh was to be their only God?

All Christ did, it would seem is to follow this Tradition

Can there be more than ONE Truth on any defined issue?

You ask great questions

One Faith One God, all are called, those who accept are Chosen. Note that not many people accept the Word when it is on this Earth. There are usually only a few ready Souls that get Chosen to sacrifice themselves along with the Manifestation! the Tradition Continues!

The Words of God Have Many Meanings so this is a great question and wise words to consider. Why would a doctrine be cemented for all time would be a good reflection on this question! Doctrine contains truth but as you have inferred, it could mean a lot more as well.

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[esieffe]

3 persons in one god. They aren’t roles but three distinct persons in one god. That is inherently AT LEAST as illogical as multiple contradictory truths existing.

Respectfully I ask… who said anything about 3 persons? God and the Holy Spirit are not persons.

Philippians 4:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

PS: A good metaphor: An atom is made of electrons, protons, and neutrons. There very different elements forming one distinct particle.

 

[PJM]

=tonyfish58;11675631]Patrick - Sorry do not quite understand the line of Questions

Baha’i Beleif can be summed as such to the questions you asked

There is One True God - Yes

Is there one True Religion (Would not use Faith) - Yes, explained as such;

“All world religions are in essence stages in the ongoing revelation of the one religion. They come from the same Source and have the same essential purpose—to guide and educate the human race. Their spiritual core is one, but they differ in their secondary aspects such as in their social teachings, which change in relation to humanity’s evolving requirements”.

One Chosen people - In the Time of the Message there are always those who are called and those who are Chosen - Many are called but few are chosen! Here are some quotes re this in this day!

Behold how the manifold grace of God, which is being showered from the clouds of Divine glory, hath, in this day, encompassed the world. For whereas in days past every lover besought and searched after his Beloved, it is the Beloved Himself Who now is calling His lovers and is inviting them to attain His presence. Take heed lest ye forfeit so precious a favor; beware lest ye belittle so remarkable a token of His grace. Abandon not the incorruptible benefits, and be not content with that which perisheth. Lift up the veil that obscureth your vision, and dispel the darkness with which it is enveloped, that ye may gaze on the naked beauty of the Beloved’s face, may behold that which no eye hath beheld, and hear that which no ear hath heard. (Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 320)

Consider how there are thousands of heedless souls who are asleep, while there is one who is conscious and awake! … Undoubtedly the friends of God have been endowed with ability and capacity, on which account they became of the “chosen” and not of the “called.” (‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Tablets of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá v1, p. 109)

God Bless and Regards Tony

Sorry for the confusion; allow me to try again.

So WE DO believe in only One True God?

Would you also agree that on any carefully defined issue that truth is and absolutely MUST BE singular

So then even God can have ONLY one set of faith beliefs based on the above reality.

How can God “Good and Perfect”] hold to differing positions on identically defined issues; often even contradictory ones at that:shrug:

God Bless you,
Patrick

 

[Contarini]

Respectfully I ask… who said anything about 3 persons? God and the Holy Spirit are not persons.

Philippians 4:7
King James Version (KJV)
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

PS: A good metaphor: An atom is made of electrons, protons, and neutrons. There very different elements forming one distinct particle.

“Persons” is certainly the term traditionally used in English for the members of the Holy Trinity, as is “personae” in Latin. The most technical term, a Greek one, is “hypostases.”

You may have some grounds for saying that “hypostasis/persona” isn’t quite the same thing we think of when we say “person.” But I would be slow to abandon the historic way the English term has been used unless someone showed me a very good reason.

God is, after all, beyond all language.

Edwin

 

[aragonjohn1]

tony,

not intending anything personal, but who promised bahaullah?

what is the promised day?

not, completly sure about the first question; because, bahai is about 10 years younger than unitarianism.

the promisised day according to bahai prophesy is "One hundred years ago, &Baha’u’llah, Founder
of the &Baha’i Faith, proclaimed in clear and unmistakable
language, to the kings and rulers of
the world, to its religious leaders, and to mankind
in general that the long-promised age of world peace
and brotherhood had at last dawned and that He Himself
was the Bearer of the new message and power from God
which would transform the prevailing system of antagonism
and enmity between men and create the spirit and form
of the destined world order. "

• PROCLAMATION OF BAHA’U’LLAH

God bless

 

[aragonjohn1]

“Persons” is certainly the term traditionally used in English for the members of the Holy Trinity, as is “personae” in Latin. The most technical term, a Greek one, is “hypostases.”

You may have some grounds for saying that “hypostasis/persona” isn’t quite the same thing we think of when we say “person.” But I would be slow to abandon the historic way the English term has been used unless someone showed me a very good reason.

God is, after all, beyond all language.

Edwin

Yes, and our God is all language that is Good.

God bless