only one correct religion with the truth?

[seakelp]

Religions may be different, but the Gods are all the same. Nobody claims a God of evil, at least among the major religions. (I don’t know who is the Goddess of the moon or Tempus).

I don’t see why the Bahai faith is less valid than yours - they do not deny the Son as far I know.

However religions are not all equal. Some religions are indeed more appropriate for some people than others. I would say Christianity is probably better for most people compared to Islam, but that does not make Islam invalid (in fact for simple, uneducated people Islam maybe best).

God is far more tolerant and kinder than you believe.

Think of it this way:

X religion has 20% of the spiritual truth.
Y religion has 50% of the spiritual truth.
Z religion has 100% of the spiritual truth.

What would you pick?

The very fact that you even pick a faith in the first place essentially indicates that you believe it has, if not perhaps the whole truth, at least MORE truth than any other given religion, right?

In this sense, Catholics are simply making explicit what all religions believe implicitly.

 

[tonyfish58]

If you switch to the Bahai faith, you will lose the special relationship that you have with Jesus - maybe you value that too much to change your religion, but that does not mean that the Bahai faith is less valid than yours,

That is not quite the way I would see it my friend

By becoming a Baha’i I found a very Special relationship with Jesus, one I never had. It may be worth noting that that Relationship is what will be Judged by God and not Man.

Also one does not “Change” Religion as such. To me it fulfills the Religion, Religion being Love for Christ and/or the other Prophets. But one may have to give up membership to a particular branch or practice of Faith!

God Bless all and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

Think of it this way:

X religion has 20% of the spiritual truth.
Y religion has 50% of the spiritual truth.
Z religion has 100% of the spiritual truth.

What would you pick?

The very fact that you even pick a faith in the first place essentially indicates that you believe it has, if not perhaps the whole truth, at least MORE truth than any other given religion, right?

In this sense, Catholics are simply making explicit what all religions believe implicitly.

Why think that way, is not that aiming at Exclusivity from the outset

How About this

X religion has 100% of the Spiritual Truth, to which now only 20% is based on Scripture, mans interpretation has subdued the rest! Some of this Truth may be in fact veiled in deep spiritual meanings, to which only the Prophets are aware of.
Y religion has 100% of the Spiritual Truth, to which now only 50% is based on Scripture, mans interpretation has subdued the rest! Some of this Truth may be in fact veiled in deep spiritual meanings, to which only the Prophets are aware of.
Z religion has 100% of the Spiritual Truth, 100% is still available and Mans (name removed by moderator)ut has not yet subdued the meaning. Some of this Truth may be in fact veiled in deep spiritual meanings, to which only the Prophets are aware of.

All the Religions are 100% - God is One

Man is unable to comprehend 100% of Spiritual Truth

God Bless all and Regards Tony

 

[openmind77]

Think of it this way:

X religion has 20% of the spiritual truth.
Y religion has 50% of the spiritual truth.
Z religion has 100% of the spiritual truth.

What would you pick?

The very fact that you even pick a faith in the first place essentially indicates that you believe it has, if not perhaps the whole truth, at least MORE truth than any other given religion, right?

In this sense, Catholics are simply making explicit what all religions believe implicitly.

All major religions have at most 60% of the truth, not much more - that includes the Catholic Church.

Only when the Christ Returns will we be able to sort through all the misconceptions and misunderstanding and get rid of them and find out what is the truth.

But just like the study of science, our understanding of God and what he wants for and from us will never be complete. The learning will continue for millions of years…

Those who believe that they have 100% of the truth at any time during this period are being ridiculously naive…

 

[seakelp]

Why think that way, is not that aiming at Exclusivity from the outset

How About this

X religion has 100% of the Spiritual Truth, to which now only 20% is based on Scripture, mans interpretation has subdued the rest! Some of this Truth may be in fact veiled in deep spiritual meanings, to which only the Prophets are aware of.
Yreligion has 100% of the Spiritual Truth, to which now only 50% is based on Scripture, mans interpretation has subdued the rest! Some of this Truth may be in fact veiled in deep spiritual meanings, to which only the Prophets are aware of.
Z religion has 100% of the Spiritual Truth, 100% is still available and Mans (name removed by moderator)ut has not yet subdued the meaning. Some of this Truth may be in fact veiled in deep spiritual meanings, to which only the Prophets are aware of.

All the Religions are 100% - God is One

Man is unable to comprehend 100% of Spiritual Truth

God Bless all and Regards Tony

Hi, Tony!

I think it’s impossible for all religion to have 100% of the truth, even with the caveats you described. For example, we Christians believe that Jesus Christ is man and God, the Messiah. Jews do not. We Christians also believe that God is the only God, that there are no other gods beside him and that any other gods are false gods. Hindus (as I understand their religion) do not.

Many other things, other religions profess, and Christians do not believe in those things. For example, Muslims believe that the Prophet Mohammed conveyed a new, complete religion from God. Christians do not.

Etc. We can list not just differences, but direct contradictions between different faiths.

In this sense, only one faith can have 100% of the truth. And again, this is evidenced by the fact that each person chooses a religion. A person cannot be both a Jew and a Christian, because in order to be a Christian one must believe in the divinity of Christ, and in order to be a Jew, one cannot. If a person continues to practice as a Jew, that person must in some sense believe that Christ was not divine, or else he would convert to Christianity.

The very fact that different religions exist and maintain fundamental disagreements is evidence that each religion believes it has the monopoly on the whole truth (if not a monopoly on degrees of truth).

It’s not, therefore, irrational or silly for Christians (particularly we Catholics) to believe we are professing the one truth faith. We are simply stating what everyone else who is religious must implicitly believe.

 

[seakelp]

All major religions have at most 60% of the truth, not much more - that includes the Catholic Church.

Only when the Christ Returns will we be able to sort through all the misconceptions and misunderstanding and get rid of them and find out what is the truth.

But just like the study of science, our understanding of God and what he wants for and from us will never be complete. The learning will continue for millions of years…

Those who believe that they have 100% of the truth at any time during this period are being ridiculously naive…

You are quite right.

So let’s change the hypo:

X has 10% of the truth.
Y has 15% of the truth.
Z has 20% of the truth.

Which do you choose? Surely Z?

 

[tonyfish58]

Hi, Tony!

I think it’s impossible for all religion to have 100% of the truth, even with the caveats you described. For example, we Christians believe that Jesus Christ is man and God, the Messiah. Jews do not. We Christians also believe that God is the only God, that there are no other gods beside him and that any other gods are false gods. Hindus (as I understand their religion) do not.

Many other things, other religions profess, and Christians do not believe in those things. For example, Muslims believe that the Prophet Mohammed conveyed a new, complete religion from God. Christians do not.

Etc. We can list not just differences, but direct contradictions between different faiths.

In this sense, only one faith can have 100% of the truth. And again, this is evidenced by the fact that each person chooses a religion. A person cannot be both a Jew and a Christian, because in order to be a Christian one must believe in the divinity of Christ, and in order to be a Jew, one cannot. If a person continues to practice as a Jew, that person must in some sense believe that Christ was not divine, or else he would convert to Christianity.

The very fact that different religions exist and maintain fundamental disagreements is evidence that each religion believes it has the monopoly on the whole truth (if not a monopoly on degrees of truth).

It’s not, therefore, irrational or silly for Christians (particularly we Catholics) to believe we are professing the one truth faith. We are simply stating what everyone else who is religious must implicitly believe.

You are looking at the Differences Man Makes with Gods Word and I am Not, that is the difference.

Christs and Muhammad’s Revelation Contain 100% of the Truth - For example, if Christs Word did not then would not the Perfection of Christ be lost

We as Humans look at this Word and do not see any where near 100% of the Truth and because of this we Divide Religions. If there is One God then the answer is obvious, there is One Truth.

But who will take up the challenge to look at it in this light?

God Bless all and regards Tony

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Religions may be different, but the Gods are all the same. Nobody claims a God of evil, at least among the major religions. (I don’t know who is the Goddess of the moon or Tempus).

I don’t see why the Bahai faith is less valid than yours - they do not deny the Son as far I know.

However religions are not all equal. Some religions are indeed more appropriate for some people than others. I would say Christianity is probably better for most people compared to Islam, but that does not make Islam invalid (in fact for simple, uneducated people Islam maybe best).

God is far more tolerant and kinder than you believe.

See thats not really the case at all, that all the gods or God is the same. If that were the case the apostles would have eaten meat sacrificed to idols, but they did not. God in the old testament found the Israelites worship on the hills to the foreign Gods an abomination. Elijah Mocked and chided the God’s of Ba’al who could not produce a miracle from their God.

The entire scripture bears witness that there are false gods that people have wrongly worshiped against the worship due to the true God. Jesus tells us no man can come to the father except through him, and I believe him. We need Jesus to get to the father and without him all others are doomed, that’s quite simply the truth of it. God does not tolerate them who revile him and his son and subsequently his church.

You may believe in a God who does not care what his believers believe, but I believe in a God who does care that we confess him rightly. It does us no good to be worshiping the gods we have created out of our minds, that is worship of the self. But there are evil gods worshiped today, only they do not take the form of the gods of Greece, Rome or Egypt or Hinduism. They take the form of new age cults and yes i am sad to say it, even bahai which distorts the truth by trying to synchronize contradictions.

I will tell you that bahai deny the son, they deny him when they insist all they really need is the newest prophet. No bahai can say Christ and his sacrifice was the one sacrifice they needed to be bought from their sins, because they have to include their founder into the midst. The New testament contradicts such a view and Christians say it is adding to the gospel. There is nothing lacking in Christ Jesus and no one can claim the perogatives of Christ Jesus.

Take in mind, if you disagree with me, you are calling me wrong. How can you call me wrong? Is not Christianity equally valid and legitimate? If you seek to correct me you will only be refuting your own position that truth abounds equally in all religions. If what I have said is wrong then your statement is false, because you think that what I am saying cannot possibly be true. Oh but then you will attempt to say I have misinterpreted the New testament and that Christianity has been corrupted and hijacked by wicked church fathers over the centuries. Then you have further undermined your case that we never had the truth at all and your claim about all religions, even false Christianity, has not the truth in it.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

You are looking at the Differences Man Makes with Gods Word and I am Not, that is the difference.

Christs and Muhammad’s Revelation Contain 100% of the Truth - For example, if Christs Word did not then would not the Perfection of Christ be lost

We as Humans look at this Word and do not see any where near 100% of the Truth and because of this we Divide Religions. If there is One God then the answer is obvious, there is One Truth.

But who will take up the challenge to look at it in this light?

God Bless all and regards Tony

If bahai want to assert that Christians have corrupted the genuine faith of Jesus Christ, then let them make the charge. I am tired of this avoiding of the issue by bahais. Do we Christians have the truth or not? Or have we corrupted it? You will say at one time “Of course you are right” but when we tell you our doctrines then you will say “You are looking at the Differences Man Makes with Gods Word,” which proves you don’t believe we have the equal truth in the first place.

Before we can even begin to discuss truth being in religion we have to agree what truth is. Open mind and the bahais seem to deny the very existence of truth. Is the trinity a true doctrine or a false doctrine? Is Unitarianism a true doctrine or a false doctrine?

You claim Muhammad has 100% of the truth, yet you refuse to condemn Christians as being the worst of all creatures. No bahai can accept that truth, they have to reinterpret that phrase like they have to reinterpret the phrase that the Muslims are the best of all creatures because that cannot be in their pre thought ideology.

It should noted, once again the bahais have made this thread primarily about themselves as always.

 

[vsedriver]

God is far more tolerant and kinder than you believe.

if all religions lead to God and all are appropriate for some people in some situations then why did he send his only son to teach for 3 years and then die on the cross and rise 3 days later?

Why did Jesus command his disciples to go forth and teach all nations if he didn’t want all the people of the world to have one faith? This is the one Truth taught by Jesus Christ and handed down to his Apostles to passed it on to the Church.

Truth in every direction is the same as no Truth at all. So there must be some way to know the whole Truth. The fullness of the Truth is held in the Catholic Church.

 

[Servant19]

If bahai want to assert that Christians have corrupted the genuine faith of Jesus Christ, then let them make the charge. I am tired of this avoiding of the issue by bahais. Do we Christians have the truth or not? Or have we corrupted it? You will say at one time “Of course you are right” but when we tell you our doctrines then you will say “You are looking at the Differences Man Makes with Gods Word,” which proves you don’t believe we have the equal truth in the first place.

Before we can even begin to discuss truth being in religion we have to agree what truth is. Open mind and the bahais seem to deny the very existence of truth. Is the trinity a true doctrine or a false doctrine? Is Unitarianism a true doctrine or a false doctrine?

You claim Muhammad has 100% of the truth, yet you refuse to condemn Christians as being the worst of all creatures. No bahai can accept that truth, they have to reinterpret that phrase like they have to reinterpret the phrase that the Muslims are the best of all creatures because that cannot be in their pre thought ideology.

It should noted, once again the bahais have made this thread primarily about themselves as always.

What is the differences between Catholicism and Orthodox?

Is the difference from the Bible, or Jesus? Did Jesus say that you should split up into two sects, one we will call Catholicism and the other we will call Orthodox and both are right?

It is man’s word that has created the differences, not Jesus, or His Word.

Baha’is cling to this fact and Baha’u’llah advises that this is the reason why God renews and fulfills His Word from age to age



.

 

[tonyfish58]

if all religions lead to God and all are appropriate for some people in some situations then why did he send his only son to teach for 3 years and then die on the cross and rise 3 days later?

Why did Jesus command his disciples to go forth and teach all nations if he didn’t want all the people of the world to have one faith?

vsedriver - They are all good questions, I would ask in return, Did we Achieve it

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[tonyfish58]

Before we can even begin to discuss truth being in religion we have to agree what truth is.

IgnatianPhilo - Can we agree that the Truth is Christ, His Word and His Sacrifice for Us?

God Bless and Regards Tony

 

[rinnie]

I really don’t think it’s morally right for any one religion to say they are the only true religion and that everyone else is wrong. If any one religion claims to be the only truth, then they must surely be a lie? What do you think?

Depends if you believe the word of God or not. Christ tells us the CC is the Pilar of ALL TRUTH!

Go back to the bible. Peter started the CC. He and his Apostles.

While the RCC never claimed to be the ONLY truth, they claimed to be the Church that has the Fullness of Truth.

All faiths has a piece of truth. But all religions do not have all the Sacraments.

I think it is right to say that Communion is the true body of Christ while others reject this truth.

I think it is right to say a Priest can forgive sin in the name of Christ because Christ say receive the Holy Spirit forgive sins in my name who sins you forgive are forgiven whose you retain are retained,

I think it is right to Baptise in the name of the Trinity.

I could go on and on but I think you got my point.

I think its morally right to correct human interpretation of the word of God, and correct them with what Christ taught.

 

[rinnie]

vsedriver - They are all good questions, I would ask in return, Did we Achieve it

God Bless and Regards Tony

I believe we are there or pretty close. I am pretty sure his truth has reached all corners of the world.

But if not it will happen. Seek and you will find.

 

[rinnie]

Religions may be different, but the Gods are all the same. Nobody claims a God of evil, at least among the major religions. (I don’t know who is the Goddess of the moon or Tempus).

I don’t see why the Bahai faith is less valid than yours - they do not deny the Son as far I know.

However religions are not all equal. Some religions are indeed more appropriate for some people than others. I would say Christianity is probably better for most people compared to Islam, but that does not make Islam invalid (in fact for simple, uneducated people Islam maybe best).

God is far more tolerant and kinder than you believe.

Not true the RCC does.

While there is only one True God. There is a false god the devil. He is the god of evil.

But the One True God has no evil. So while there are false gods, the true ONE GOD is the fullness of the Light.

Christ himself said you do not know me, if you did know me you would accept me, But your god is the devil.

 

[openmind77]

Not true the RCC does.

While there is only one True God. There is a false god the devil. He is the god of evil.

But the One True God has no evil. So while there are false gods, the true ONE GOD is the fullness of the Light.

Christ himself said you do not know me, if you did know me you would accept me, But your god is the devil.

Actually I do accept the Christ. I just don’t accept all the dogmas of the Church.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

All major religions have at most 60% of the truth, not much more - that includes the Catholic Church.

Only when the Christ Returns will we be able to sort through all the misconceptions and misunderstanding and get rid of them and find out what is the truth.

But just like the study of science, our understanding of God and what he wants for and from us will never be complete. The learning will continue for millions of years…

Those who believe that they have 100% of the truth at any time during this period are being ridiculously naive…

That last includes your assertion given at the start of your comment.

 

[rinnie]

Actually I do accept the Christ. I just don’t accept all the dogmas of the Church.

Saul Saul why are you persecuting ME, Who are you? Jesus.

Who was Saul persecuting?? Christ? The Catholic Church?

Christ tells him you are persecuting ME, Christ and his Church are ONE!

So you cannot fully accept Christ without fully accepting all of his teaching.

 

[eddie_too]

If there is no true religion then ALL religions are false.