Open Thread on Zimmerman Trial

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So jumping out of non existing bushes and approaching from 15 feet away is your definition of consistent? Ok then, that explains your viewpoint.
When it’s dark, and raining…and that much adreneline is flowing things get a bit blurred…obviously you’ve never been in a life-threatening situation before or you’d know that. Tell ya what…let’s meet someplace dark while it’s raining and I’ll jump out at you…then you tell me how much you remember a few days later.
 
“Fairly” consistent is not a good enough when a man is dead.
The burden is on the government…not on the defense…and it’s BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT…and his account has been more consistent than anything the prosecution has presented.
 
He wasn’t even"on neighborhood patrol duty that night.
He was out lookin’ for trouble as he did previously and often; looking for “suspects”
According to testimony today, he was on his way to the store when he noticed Martin.

I don’t recall anything about bushes but that it was dark and rainy. Zimmerman didn’t say he was lost, he was getting an address which might have been getting a house number. It doesn’t help p(name removed by moderator)oint a location if you say you are on X street. I’ve lived in the same neighborhood for 25 years. If someone wanted me to tell them where I was on Cannes Avenue I would have to look for a house number, which would be more difficult to see at night.

I don’t find Zimmerman’s story incredible at all. He does have a long history of being a neighborhood watch member but does not have a history of pursuing and threatening people. The prosecution played a number of his previous phone calls and they were all reports of suspicious persons. If the goal were to look for bad guys and take them down, the last thing he would want to do is get the police to the scene. He’d want to be that lone vigilante who called the cops AFTER the dust settled.

Lisa
 
He’d lived in the neighborhood years if I recall.
And your point is what? He may have known the street name but not the number or the cross street. He did NOT say he was lost. He was asked to get the address. He said he went out of his car to get the address. This is not that hard to understand is it?

Lisa
 
or protecting his neighborhood…
Do you want an armed neighborhood watchman that profiles people? He needs to speak to a real officer and not play police

What was possibly protected that night? Martin had skittles and an iced tea.
 
He does have a long history of being a neighborhood watch member but does not have a history of pursuing and threatening people.
He does have such a history:

“At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics” in his neighborhood watch captain role."
 
He wasn’t even"on neighborhood patrol duty that night.
He was out lookin’ for trouble as he did previously and often; looking for “suspects”
According to testimony he was going to the grocery store.

If that is looking for trouble…then I’m in deep. 😉
 
And your point is what? He may have known the street name but not the number or the cross street. He did NOT say he was lost. He was asked to get the address. He said he went out of his car to get the address. This is not that hard to understand is it?

Lisa
He was asked to get an address or did he know the address? He was never asked to get any address that I recall from testimony.

That makes no sense but I could stand corrected if the 911 dispatcher said
'Hey get out of your car and get an address"

The tape I heard said “we dont need you to DO that” (follow him) when they heard the wind indicasting the door had opened.

He did that on his own as an excuse for why he got out of the car (to get an address)
 
Do you want an armed neighborhood watchman that profiles people? He needs to speak to a real officer and not play police

What was possibly protected that night? Martin had skittles and an iced tea.
Mary honestly have you not heard the testimony or read the transcripts or heard the reports? There isn’t the slightest bit of evidence he “profiled” Martin other than that he was a stranger and acting suspiciously. He did report Martin. He said he was getting the information requested by the dispatcher when confronted by Martin. As to what was being “protected” the neighborhood had a rash of burglaries. Martin was walking between houses, under the eves, appeared to be possibly casing the homes. He wasn’t simply walking down the sidewalk with a grocery bag in hand.

I don’t understand why you don’t consider the testimony that contradicts the Prosecution. Its it that Zimmerman has a concealed carry? It’s like anyone with a gun is a bad dude and nothing he says can be trusted. But a thuggish young man, wandering around aimlessly on a rainy night is someone above suspicion…🤷

Lisa
 
He does have such a history:

“At an emergency homeowner’s association meeting on March 1, “one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home,” the resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. “It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics” in his neighborhood watch captain role."
Yes and “Emergency” is the operative word. Too bad it didn’t get nipped then before he could do it again and a young man dead. He was complained about by those in the neighborhood.
 
He was asked to get an address or did he know the address? He was never asked to get any address that I recall from testimony.

That makes no sense but I could stand corrected if the 911 dispatcher said
'Hey get out of your car and get an address"

The tape I heard said “we dont need you to DO that” (follow him) when they heard the wind indicasting the door had opened.

He did that on his own as an excuse for why he got out of the car (to get an address)
It wasn’t the 911 dispatcher. He called a non emergency number. The dispatcher asked for the address so they could send a patrol car. All of this has been testified to. He was asked if he were following Martin and he said yes. They dispatcher said “We don’t need you to do that” at which time I believe Zimmerman said something like those punks always get away. He did not say “I’m going to collar the guy!”

Lisa
 
Yes and “Emergency” is the operative word. Too bad it didn’t get nipped then before he could do it again and a young man dead. He was complained about by those in the neighborhood.
If you read this it says the complaintant was removed, not Zimmerman. Someone sent an email to HuffPo complaining about Zimmerman. Sorry but so what. Do you have a neighborhood association? I do and we get all manner of complaints. Some legit, some not.

Has this been introduced into the court? If not maybe like much of what HuffPo puts out…it’s a lot of huffing and puffing.

Lisa
 
Mary honestly have you not heard the testimony or read the transcripts or heard the reports? There isn’t the slightest bit of evidence he “profiled” Martin other than that he was a stranger and acting suspiciously. He did report Martin. He said he was getting the information requested by the dispatcher when confronted by Martin. As to what was being “protected” the neighborhood had a rash of burglaries. Martin was walking between houses, under the eves, appeared to be possibly casing the homes. He wasn’t simply walking down the sidewalk with a grocery bag in hand.

I don’t understand why you don’t consider the testimony that contradicts the Prosecution. Its it that Zimmerman has a concealed carry? It’s like anyone with a gun is a bad dude and nothing he says can be trusted. But a thuggish young man, wandering around aimlessly on a rainy night is someone above suspicion…🤷

Lisa
Lisa, I think you’ve missed half the testimony I have no problems with anyone carrying a gun nor have I said any such thing. Maybe if you paid better attention to detail you’d at least understand the other side of the story, even f you don’t agree with it.

I do expect people with guns to use them responsibly.
 
So what? he sure made little ole detour. A young man is dead.
He made a detour after he saw Martin acting suspicious. He wasn’t out looking for someone to hunt down and kill like you were implying.
 
Do you want an armed neighborhood watchman that profiles people? He needs to speak to a real officer and not play police

What was possibly protected that night? Martin had skittles and an iced tea.
If homes in my neighborhood were being broken into I’d LOVE to have an armed group in the neighborhood…
 
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