"Open your eyes, see the lies right in front of you!"

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You realize that the things that build computers are themselves simpler computers, right?

Sorry Robert. Hate to say it, but this post makes zero sense. Vanity is bad. Pride is bad. Science isn’t hogwash, and it makes zero sense to say it is.
 
I think so! What else could it be? Being a total idiot here is VERY humbling to me… “They” say that we humans use just 10% of our brain. Perhaps there exists super intelligent human beings that are able to use 100% of there brains! What I’m suggesting sounds profound, I know, but again, what else could it be?
One of my friends built a computer himself.
 
I spent my whole life searching for these “brainy” people all my life (which included a PhD from UCLA) and I never met anyone who comes close to having the wit necessary figure these things out. For certain Jews, there exist multiple worlds, with our world being the lowest! Come on, do you really think people like us have the intelligence to create a computer chip? What IQ do you expect these “brainy” people to have? My non-verbal IQ is 2 standard deviations above the mean and I consider myself to be a total moron compared to the IQ necessary to create these things!
They work in TEAMS. Not alone.
 
Okay. Robert, here’s a challenge for you. You want to believe aq conspiracy theory? Put your money where your mouth is. Look up and visit a place where microchips are made. Then decide whether you think humans created it or not.
 
Okay. Robert, here’s a challenge for you. You want to believe aq conspiracy theory? Put your money where your mouth is. Look up and visit a place where microchips are made. Then decide whether you think humans created it or not.
Humans indeed make the chips. Heck, once the machines and special tooling is in place, a chimp could probably make the chips. What I’m asking is who designed the chips and who designed and built the machines and special tooling necessary for manufacturing the computer chips. Again, none of us can even come close to designing and mass producing the packaging that the computer chips come in!
 
Humans indeed make the chips. Heck, once the machines and special tooling is in place, a chimp could probably make the chips. What I’m asking is who designed the chips and who designed and built the machines and special tooling necessary for manufacturing the computer chips. Again, none of us can even come close to designing and mass producing the packaging that the computer chips come in!
It is a colaborative effort involving contrinutions from many people over time. Often the contributions people make are applied to things they had not thought of. Such as how the study of nuclear resonance was applied to machines that are used to image the inside of ones body. Being a collaboration you wont find many examples of something being designed in intellectual isolation.

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Humans indeed make the chips. Heck, once the machines and special tooling is in place, a chimp could probably make the chips. What I’m asking is who designed the chips and who designed and built the machines and special tooling necessary for manufacturing the computer chips. Again, none of us can even come close to designing and mass producing the packaging that the computer chips come in!
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Humans indeed make the chips. Heck, once the machines and special tooling is in place, a chimp could probably make the chips. What I’m asking is who designed the chips and who designed and built the machines and special tooling necessary for manufacturing the computer chips. Again, none of us can even come close to designing and mass producing the packaging that the computer chips come in!
You’re saying God made the machines? Or designed the chips? And there’s a conspiracy going on covering this all up?
 
Technological - and scientific - progress exhibits the properties of emergence. Ants display this as well as the Catholic Church (or the City of London from advent to present).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
In philosophy, systems theory, science, and art, emergence is the way complex systems and patterns arise out of a multiplicity of relatively simple interactions. Emergence is central to the theories of integrative levels and of complex systems.
I think the birth of specialization - especially when combined with cooperating teams of people where each team is given separate and specifics tasks or goals - increases the rate of technological development.
 
You’re saying God made the machines? Or designed the chips? And there’s a conspiracy going on covering this all up?
No conspiracy. It’s all in the front of people to see. Yes, all the knowledge related to technology comes from God.
 
I think the birth of specialization - especially when combined with cooperating teams of people where each team is given separate and specifics tasks or goals - increases the rate of technological development.
I agree.

I think that the extent of the cooperation on technological endeavors extends further than people tend to recognize. In times and places where people were less specialized much of one’s time and effort resource may be dedicated to engaging in activities that support survival, such as farming or hunting food. At the cost of some level of independence there are now people that concentrate on food production allowing many of us to concentrate on other things. There are organizations that specialize in moving this food around making it available to land that otherwise would not support it’s growth, and so on. The lives of the scientist, engineers, and many others are entangled with the lives of those that provide these services allowing them to concentrate and specialize in a field. While there’s a local level of cooperation for a team of people working on a project or researching a topic there’s also a community level of cooperation that allows us the ability to specialize.
 
I agree.

I think that the extent of the cooperation on technological endeavors extends further than people tend to recognize. In times and places where people were less specialized much of one’s time and effort resource may be dedicated to engaging in activities that support survival, such as farming or hunting food. At the cost of some level of independence there are now people that concentrate on food production allowing many of us to concentrate on other things. There are organizations that specialize in moving this food around making it available to land that otherwise would not support it’s growth, and so on. The lives of the scientist, engineers, and many others are entangled with the lives of those that provide these services allowing them to concentrate and specialize in a field. While there’s a local level of cooperation for a team of people working on a project or researching a topic there’s also a community level of cooperation that allows us the ability to specialize.
How many of these engineers do you know personally? Look around you and calculate the huge number of engineers necessary for all the specialized machines and designs necessary for this to come about. Look also at the sources of our gross national product and notice the machine building industry is very small. Things just don’t add up. Tool and die and mold making is sparse in America! Those shops that do exist produce rather simple stuff and have a backlog of 5 years! Again, look at the unique plastic stuff around you and know that for each plastic part, a mold must be specially built. And then there is the computer designers that blow my mind when I think of all the wit that must be present for them to be produced.
 
How many of these engineers do you know personally?
Don’t know. I don’t keep count. I am a Software Engineer by occupation and education that spent several years working with a medical engineering company. I’m now working some where else but collaborate with people in some of the engineering areas at a local school (Georgia Tech) and some other companies. I’m also still friends with some of the people that I went to school with who are also engineers of various types (computer engineering, mechanical engineering, mechatronic engineering, so on…). Through relationships that I’ve established from my collaborations with Microsoft (not related to my employment, I’ve got other things going on with Microsoft independent of work) I’ve gotten to meet the engineers at a number of other companies inside and outside of the united states.
Look around you and calculate the huge number of engineers necessary for all the specialized machines and designs necessary for this to come about.
As I mentioned earlier the contributions to these machines are distributed over many people and over time. In some cases over several generations. My digital camera, for example, include contributions from the works of people long gone such as Alhazen (died about 1,000 years ago) and Hertz and Hallwach. Engineering works tend to incorporate elements of the works that came before them as opposed to starting from scratch.

It’s also worth mentioning that even specialized designs may contain standardized parts. If one were to design a new car it may use tires or brake parts that were previously available.
Tool and die and mold making is sparse in America!
The USA has almost completely stopped manufacturing various types of items in favour of sourcing parts and labour from elsewhere (example: find a television that was manufactured in the USA). Many of the tools that we use contain parts and materials that shipped from different countries. China seems to be a significant source of materials, parts, and products.
And then there is the computer designers that blow my mind when I think of all the wit that must be present for them to be produced.
One of the nice thing about working with computer systems is that as you make improvement to your product, you may also be making improvements to your tool set. One can also be a lot more effective by learning to automate their tasks. I know the match can scare some people off too.
 
“They” say that we humans use just 10% of our brain.
If “they” say it then it must be true. Except that it’s an urban myth. If it were true then we could sustain 90% brain injury without even noticing any ill effects.

We use 100% of our brain, that’s why it’s all there.
No conspiracy. It’s all in the front of people to see. Yes, all the knowledge related to technology comes from God.
A cargo cult is the belief that advanced technology is a product of the deities. Usually cargo cults are only associated with primitive peoples, but I guess some people in our society may be just as overwhelmed by technology. A cargo cult would give them reassurance - it’s OK to be overwhelmed, since only God actually comprehends, and any mere mortal who says they understand technology must be lying. And with technology coming from God, science has nothing to do and must be hogwash. Bravo! Logic that’s bomb-proof and feel-good!
 
If “they” say it then it must be true. Except that it’s an urban myth. If it were true then we could sustain 90% brain injury without even noticing any ill effects.

We use 100% of our brain, that’s why it’s all there.

A cargo cult is the belief that advanced technology is a product of the deities. Usually cargo cults are only associated with primitive peoples, but I guess some people in our society may be just as overwhelmed by technology. A cargo cult would give them reassurance - it’s OK to be overwhelmed, since only God actually comprehends, and any mere mortal who says they understand technology must be lying. And with technology coming from God, science has nothing to do and must be hogwash. Bravo! Logic that’s bomb-proof and feel-good!
We humans have a bicameral brain which is literally two brains, one masculine and the other feminine. There could exists humans with a unicameral brain. Show me any research suggesting that we use 100% of these brains.

Yes, I believe ALL knowledge flows from God. Belief in anything less is heresy of the worst sort.
 
If “they” say it then it must be true. Except that it’s an urban myth. If it were true then we could sustain 90% brain injury without even noticing any ill effects.

We use 100% of our brain, that’s why it’s all there.

A cargo cult is the belief that advanced technology is a product of the deities. Usually cargo cults are only associated with primitive peoples, but I guess some people in our society may be just as overwhelmed by technology. A cargo cult would give them reassurance - it’s OK to be overwhelmed, since only God actually comprehends, and any mere mortal who says they understand technology must be lying. And with technology coming from God, science has nothing to do and must be hogwash. Bravo! Logic that’s bomb-proof and feel-good!
It may also be interesting to note that according to Jewish mysticism there exists multiple worlds, with our world being the absolute lowest.
 
“And she blinded me with science!”

Unlike technology, I believe “science” is hogwash. Where does technology come from? Surely, we do not have the innate wit to figure out how to manufacture simple boxes of toothpicks! Does anybody really believe that we were able to bring our society to where it is today based on our own VERY LIMITED innate wit? “Open your eyes, see the lies right in front of you!”

If technology does not flow from earthly scientific method? Where does technology come from? I do not know! But it does not come from our very limited innate wit.

Designing a computer is actually easy compared to designing and building all the machines and apparatuses necessary to build computers!

Heck, we do not have the innate wit to manufacture the packaging that the computer chips come in!

Go ahead, take a close look around you and tell me which of it you could design if asked to do so. Heck, take a dozen college professors with you and see how far you get.

I would say that whoever first developed the toothpick technology would needed to have relied on trial and error, and taken far more than a lifetime to perfect.

Imagine all the technology that needed to be developed in the past 150 years or so. Trial and error is not allowed when it comes to this type of technology due to time constraints. Things just don’t add up when analyzing this.
Science is not hogwash. Science is the study of the universe through measurement.

What you’re referring to, I think, is -scientism.- This is a belief system that runs as follows…

“You should only believe what can be scientifically proven.”

This is not only false, but self-refuting, because that statement itself cannot be scientifically-proven.

I believe that there are actually five valid methods of proof.
  1. Experience (the senses.)
  2. Science (measurement.)
  3. Mathematics.
  4. Inductive Reasoning.
  5. Deductive Reasoning.
Interestingly, however, the first three proofs only work if you accept at least one of the last two. 😉
 
We humans have a bicameral brain which is literally two brains, one masculine and the other feminine. There could exists humans with a unicameral brain. Show me any research suggesting that we use 100% of these brains.
No we don’t have, “one masculine and one feminine”. [Why is there no face-palm emote?] A bicameral brain is one single brain with two hemispheres intimately connected by the Corpus Callosum. Bicameral Doesn’t mean two brains; it means two chambers which is referring to the two hemispheres.
Yes, I believe ALL knowledge flows from God. Belief in anything less is heresy of the worst sort.
If by this you mean that all knowledge comes, not merely ultimately, but immediately from God then your theology is more faulty than your neurology.
 
No we don’t have, “one masculine and one feminine”. [Why is there no face-palm emote?] A bicameral brain is one single brain with two hemispheres intimately connected by the Corpus Callosum. Bicameral Doesn’t mean two brains; it means two chambers which is referring to the two hemispheres.

If by this you mean that all knowledge comes, not merely ultimately, but immediately from God then your theology is more faulty than your neurology.
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