Opponents of Haas and Haugen Unite!

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brotherhrolf:
Hmnm:hmmm: Hmmm:ehh: Here I am Lord? Is it I lord…uh? I have heard you calling in the night I I I night… Can we have Kermit and Miss Piggy come up?:rotfl: Sorry folks! I don’t mean to be uncharitable but this is not profound Catholic music.
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This phrase is scriptural, it is from the Old Testament. I believe it is from the book of Genesis or Exodus as a voice was calling to the son of one of the first leaders. He continued to get up and go to his father (Abraham?) and asked, “You called me Fathere, here I am.” His father continued to tell him that he did not call him and to go to bed. On the third occasion in this same night, the father finally understood that God was calling his son. He directed his son, “Go back to bed, it was not I that was calling you, it was God. The next time he calls your name, say, ‘Speak, Lord, for your servant is listening.’”

No, not every word of the song is scriptural, however it does have meaning. I think it has been overdone in churches, but it certainly is not anti-catholic…especially in that it incorporates the OT which is fundamental to the gospels. Fine if you don’t like the song or the lyrics…but you don’t have to laugh at people. Makes you kinda come off as condescending. I’m sure that’s not what you intend.

I challenge you to go back and find that scripture…I’ll post it if I can find it. (anyone know of a Biblical search engine?)
 
I don’t get the muppet references.
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brotherhrolf:
These guys are not Monteverdi, Byrd, Vivaldi, Walton or, gosh can I say it, John Rutter. Will these guys stand the test of time?
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Unfortunately, those don’t seem to be the options at many churhces it’s not Haas and Haugen and Landry or classical music including Gregorian chants, but it seems to be Hass and Haugen and Landry or nothing.
 
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JCPhoenix:
This phrase is scriptural, it is from the Old Testament. I believe it is from the book of Genesis or Exodus as a voice was calling to the son of one of the first leaders. He continued to get up and go to his father (Abraham?) and asked, “You called me Fathere, here I am.” His father continued to tell him that he did not call him and to go to bed. On the third occasion in this same night, the father finally understood that God was calling his son. He directed his son, “Go back to bed, it was not I that was calling you, it was God. The next time he calls your name, say, ‘Speak, Lord, for your servant is listening.’”

No, not every word of the song is scriptural, however it does have meaning. I think it has been overdone in churches, but it certainly is not anti-catholic…especially in that it incorporates the OT which is fundamental to the gospels. Fine if you don’t like the song or the lyrics…but you don’t have to laugh at people. Makes you kinda come off as condescending. I’m sure that’s not what you intend.

I challenge you to go back and find that scripture…I’ll post it if I can find it. (anyone know of a Biblical search engine?)
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Check the beginning of 1st Samuel – the story you mentioned is about Samuel.
 
When we used to go to church each Sunday morn
We would listen to a sound that was quite forlorn
Singing in Latin, a language so strange
But fortunately, that’s all been changed

'Cause now the Mass
Is now the Monster Mass!
The Monster Mass
It’s a liberal smash
It’s now our Mass
It’s caught on in a flash
And it’s our Mass
It’s now the Monster Mass!

Now we approach the church looking forward to
A padded seat in a sideways pew
A groovy drop ceiling of acoustic tile
And the statues and the Stations in the garbage pile

Because the Mass
Is now the Monster Mass!
The Monster Mass
Is a liberal smash
It’s now our Mass
It’s caught on in a flash
And it’s our Mass
It’s now the Monster Mass!

The kids are all having fun
As down the aisles they run
Screaming at liturgical dancers
Who’ve pranced and jumped and spun

The scene is rockin’ as we’re digging the scene
Amplified guitars and a tambourine
The bongo players were quick to agree
“Never mind the priest—you should listen to ME!”

'Cause now the Mass
Is now the Monster Mass!
The Monster Mass
Is a liberal smash
It’s now our Mass
It’s caught on in a flash
And it’s our Mass
It’s now the Monster Mass!

An elderly parishioner was heard to rant
Seems what he wanted was Gregorian chant
We smiled as we told him that it just wouldn’t do—
It wasn’t in the Spirit of Vatican Two

Because the Mass
Is now the Monster Mass!
The Monster Mass
Is a liberal smash
It’s now our Mass
It’s caught on in a flash
And it’s our Mass
It’s now the Monster Mass!

Now everything’s cool, he’s been driven outside
And those pesky old hymns we can just let slide
We’ve got a lead singer who has his own guitars
And goats-head tattoos with five-pointed stars

Because the Mass
Is now the Monster Mass!
The Monster Mass
Is a liberal smash
It’s now our Mass
It’s caught on in a flash
And it’s our Mass
It’s now the Monster Mass!

“Uuunnngh! Mass good!”
 
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Wolseley:
Now everything’s cool, he’s been driven outside
And those pesky old hymns we can just let slide
We’ve got a lead singer who has his own guitars
And goats-head tattoos with five-pointed stars
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The satanic reference was too much. Since the Mass is where one goes to receive the body of Christ, I find your post insulting to the Lord who is sacrificed there. Enjoy your laugh.
 
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pnewton:
The satanic reference was too much. Since the Mass is where one goes to receive the body of Christ, I find your post insulting to the Lord who is sacrificed there. Enjoy your laugh.
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(shrug) It’s meant to be humorous by pointing out the dog-and-pony show aspect of what should be the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in far, far too many American parishes these days----which, I hasten to point out, I find equally insulting.

If I were able, I would go to a Tridentine Mass every Sunday, because I know that at least there, the proper respect would be shown for Christ in the Blessed Sacrament, instead of some moronic abomination like a priest in a clown suit or a polka band in the choir loft, both of which I have had unwllingly inflicted on me.

But, if you want to think that I’m just as bad as what I’m trying to condemn, go right ahead.
 
Musical notation written upon a page is but a skeleton of the actual music. Anytime you hear music that was composed by a particular composer, you are actually hearing the music of at least two different people – the composer and the performer (unless the composer is the performer).

In our criticisms of various pieces of music we tend to first focus on the elements which are easily repeatable: rhythm and pitch. However, we should also pay attention to how those rhythms and pitches are played: tempo, dynamics, and the actual instrument used to produce the tone. There is a great difference between how a child might play “Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star” on the piano and how it sounds when played as part of the original composition by Mozart.

Very often, songs lack various things (choose your attribute) because they aren’t played in that way. All that is required to turn your favorite slow, reverent organ song into a giddy dance piece is to play it twice as fast. No need to play it on a different instrument or change anything else – just speed it up.

This is where the music leader has great responsibility. In addition to selecting music with appropriate lyrics, they must be sensitive to how they ought to play the music to convey the correct message musically.

I think that in terms of dismal church music the greater fault lies with the musicians rather than the composers. I do not intend in any way to disparage the efforts of the music leader who is leading simply because there is no one else to do so.
 
Bobby Jim:
A lot of contemporary stuff (especially David Haas, it seems) makes use of some unusual intervals and rhythms which make them harder to sing. But it makes them a little more “jazzy”, and more interesting for the trained musicians who are singing or playing the accompaniment.
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Jazz is easier to sing that most of that stuff.
 
FYI everyone.

"On Eagle’s Wings’ was NOT done by either Haas or Haugen…it was done by Michael Joncas. I have a couple of old hymnals, one of which is Glory and Praise.

Is Joncas on your black list too?
 
Woooo Hoooo! I’m joining!

I especially liked the “thumbs up” symbol with Palestrina and Gregorian Chant.

One of the many things I appreciate about my parish is that it is largely a Marty Haugen/David Haas-free zone. Sometimes it’s slipped in for the Psalms, but at least it’s in small doses.

Wolseley, I liked your parody. Unfortunately, much of it rang true for me: the “statues and the Stations in the garbage pile” reminds me of the new and improved version of a church I used to go to where these things were stripped out and not replaced in the new “worship space”, and your line "The bongo players were quick to agree…“Never mind the priest—you should listen to ME!” reminded me of another parish where kneeling during the consecration was stopped at the order of the music director. Those of us who persisted in kneeling were singled out, in the parish bulletin, and told to “keep our private piety to ourselves”.
 
Ohhhhhh my. So many psalms have been corrupted for me because I can’t meditate on them without involuntarily hearing in my mind the insipid musical renditions by HH et al (trust me, there is a second and third tier of Catholic composers who make these guys sound like Mozart).

The good news is, in order to steal the psalms back, I picked up Latin and Greek after a lapse of a few years. Now I read them in the Vulgate or the Septuagint.

Take that, HH!!! You can’t steal THOSE away from me!
 
Someone on here did a parody of City of God (worst. . .song. . .*** EVER!!!***), and it caused me to :rotfl:.

For those who find the “funeral dirge” music “too dull”, then I submit the following: If we cannot have our dirge music, then let’s have none at all!!! Honestly, no music is better than the H&H and St. L. Jesuit nightmare-fest.
 
*pro-life_teen*:
Sorry to be the ignorant one here, but exactly why is some of Haugen and Haas’ music so bad? Please explain!
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Musically, it’s outdated at best. It’s far from contemporary; you won’t hear that style of music on the radio. Not since the 70s, anyway.

Lyrically, they are rather shallow and congregation oriented. From Amy Welborn’s blog-

They’ve turned liturgy from something that was about God - uh, that’s called worship - to something that is about us. The purpose of liturgy is now to build community. We needn’t pay so much attention to Eucharist any longer, since the presence of Christ in us all the time is just as importantThe hymns in Catholic liturgies are, for the most part, about us. (Gather Us In…Here I Am…We Are the Light of the World…Aren’t We Fabulous? No. Not the last one. I don’t think so, at least…)

“Aren’t We Fabulous?” That slays me.:rotfl:
 
Bruised Reed:
Musically, it’s outdated at best. It’s far from contemporary; you won’t hear that style of music on the radio. Not since the 70s, anyway.

Lyrically, they are rather shallow and congregation oriented. From Amy Welborn’s blog-

They’ve turned liturgy from something that was about God - uh, that’s called worship - to something that is about us. The purpose of liturgy is now to build community. We needn’t pay so much attention to Eucharist any longer, since the presence of Christ in us all the time is just as importantThe hymns in Catholic liturgies are, for the most part, about us. (Gather Us In…Here I Am…We Are the Light of the World…Aren’t We Fabulous? No. Not the last one. I don’t think so, at least…)

“Aren’t We Fabulous?” That slays me.:rotfl:
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And so the pendulum swings.

As Jesus said to the errant Pharisees, we should do the one without neglecting the other.

God is (or at least should be!) the primary focus of the Liturgy. However, as we worship God with and in the Liturgy, it is something we do as a congregation. It is something we do together. The liturgy does build community. So does receiving the Eucharist. It is communion with Christ and with the rest of the Church.

The Liturgy is not a private devotion, a private act of worship. I think (though I may be wrong) that the word itself refers to “work of the people”.
 
Bruised Reed:
Musically, it’s outdated at best. It’s far from contemporary; you won’t hear that style of music on the radio. Not since the 70s, anyway.

Lyrically, they are rather shallow and congregation oriented. From Amy Welborn’s blog-

They’ve turned liturgy from something that was about God - uh, that’s called worship - to something that is about us. The purpose of liturgy is now to build community. We needn’t pay so much attention to Eucharist any longer, since the presence of Christ in us all the time is just as importantThe hymns in Catholic liturgies are, for the most part, about us. (Gather Us In…Here I Am…We Are the Light of the World…Aren’t We Fabulous? No. Not the last one. I don’t think so, at least…)

“Aren’t We Fabulous?” That slays me.:rotfl:
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And so the pendulum swings.

As Jesus said to the errant Pharisees, we should do the one without neglecting the other.

God is (or at least should be!) the primary focus of the Liturgy. However, as we worship God with and in the Liturgy, it is something we do as a congregation. It is something we do together. The liturgy does build community. So does receiving the Eucharist. It is communion with Christ and with the rest of the Church.

The Liturgy is not a private devotion, a private act of worship. I think (though I may be wrong) that the word itself refers to “work of the people”.
 
It’s true the men that write this music are effectively heretics.
 
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