Orans posture prohibited during Lord's Prayer

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Well, a study was done showing that between hand shaking, high five or fist bump, fist bump is significantly less likely to spread infectious diseases. When I work with kids, it’s always fist bump.

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Fist bump, handshake, high-five: Which spreads the most germs?

How germy are popular ways of greeting? Study compares handshakes, high-fives and fist bumps, and finds a big difference
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JimR-OCDS said:
You said you’d refused to hold hands while praying the Lord’s Prayer, out of obedience to God.

This doesn’t make sense

But do what you will.
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I did not say that. You are misquoting me. I said, I do not hold hands because I am focusing on God and plus it is rarely seen anymore, least ways around the parishes I attend.
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What’s in the heart is the issue.
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I mentioned obedience to this comment only. There are many things we have in our hearts but obedience to God is most important.
 
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Why is that person insulted if someone else simply smiles and bows in return?
 
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You don’t have to hold hands, and you don’t have to shake hands.
The only person touching my palm during Mass is a capital p Person. If someone wants to get judgmental about it, or take offense where none is intended, that’s on them. I’m not slapping their hand away or scowling at them. Who cares?
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
(I am a hygiene nut, and this is another hand-to-hand thing that drives me nuts.)
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Former medical lab scientist, here.
Viruses and bacteria. Influenza, Rhinovirus, E. coli, C. difficile, the list goes on. A very real concern. But if others want to hold or shake, good for them. Hopefully they stop moving around when the Agnus Dei starts.
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Many studies on the overuse of that stuff. Not to mention ingesting it.
But hey, if others want to, who cares?
 
I am one whose doctor has told to use it often. I use the alcohol based kind. I do that and wash my hands a lot.
 
I use it in the classroom. Especially kindergarten. Those kids are reservoir hosts of all known contagious diseases. 😂
 
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I don’t think it matters. If the church has said something otherwise that’s different but to my knowledge it hasn’t
 
Here in Argentina we do the Sign of Peace with a greeting kiss or a handshake in case of men. I have never got ill for it nor do I know anyone who got ill for it.

I don’t know why in this forum they always have a problem with SoP, I guess it’s a cultural thing, here we say that the english world is more cold in affection…
 
Since the sign of peace is open to handshaking, it should be open to a nod and smile too. I really don’t care what others do, as long as they aren’t disruptive about it.
 
@JimR-OCDS I honestly don’t understand why you make such a deal about a person licitly refusing, for whatever personal reason, to hold hands. You seem to consider it spiritually defective, and you don’t seem to offer up any good reasons for it.

I personally just don’t like it. I did it for a while when I was in a small Catholic youth group, and during some of the small masses we would gather around the altar in that way.

Personally I’ve found it very distracting, but in that setting I’d rather not stand out. So I just do what others do.

In bigger mass settings, such as the common sunday mass where we’ve got a packed Church, I usually just stick to the back. Praying along with the others but with folded hands.

I see no reason to stop that.

Your speculations about what Jesus would do are futile. You have the Scriptures and Tradition, that’s all Christ wanted you to know about what He did on Earth and what you ought to do in order to be a good Catholic. I don’t see anything about hand holding there.
 
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I’ve done mass for Catholics from predominantly moslem countries while with the UNHCR and they use the orans positions. When I first arrive at a military base, the first few masses I do I explain that there is no hand holding during the our father and to pray with hands folded. It takes a few times for people to learn this if a predecessor has done things differently.
 
How do I know they are kind? Most kind people educate themselves in social etiquette and do not behave in an intrusive way. By I will certainly assume they are kind and politely nod my head and whisper " no thankful"
 
JimR-OCDS said:
How are you not focusing on God when praying in union with those around you ?
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If holding hands with a stranger, it is next to impossible for me to focus on God and pray in union with those around me, can’t keep from worrying about my palms starting to sweat,etc.

If not holding hands, then it is no problem to pray in union with the whole congregation, not just those around me.
 
I nod, smile and say, “Pax Christi.” No one should be triggered by that.
 
I was not clear. It was a comment that if you see 100% of the people receiving communion, it would imply you see zero young children, and that would be sad.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Try not making the thread about me.
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Don’t take things personally. You happen to be the only one here who is advocating for hand holding, or at least offering minor jabs at those who refuse to do it, so your posts are the ones I’m responding to.

Holding hands, or staying with folded hands, is such a trivial irrelevant issue to me at any rate. Its a matter of taste. Perhaps in some circumstances, say a small parish, it can a danger to vanity if everyone else is doing it but you’re not.

Also if the person is sick. This happened the kiss of peace, and this girl had been coughing into her hands throughout the entire mass. I gracefully bowed towards her. Eventually she just grabed my hand against my consent and shook it.

After that I stayed dutifully at the back.
 
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