Organic Computing

[IWantGod]

The concept of “miracle” is not a Christian invention.

Irrelevant. If you are talking to Christians, then it’s the Christian definition that you need to be concerned with. Otherwise any conclusion you have is straw-man and not worth my time.

There isn’t even any point in discussing anything else you have to say until you get that right.

 

[IWantGod]

You mean there is a real definition of miracles, and then there is a Christian definition of it? I am only aware of one definition, which I quoted. “ An event for which there is no natural explanation, and therefore it points to a supernatural / divine causative agent ”. Do you have a different one?

If you are talking to Christians, then it’s the Christian definition that you need to be concerned with.

I am only aware of one definition, which I quoted. “ An event for which there is no natural explanation, and therefore it points to a supernatural / divine causative agent ”. Do you have a different one?

That’s one way of putting it i suppose, but it misses one key underlying factor.

A supernatural event “for a Christian” is an intelligently directed effect that doesn’t have it’s origin either in the human intellect or natural processes.

 

[IWantGod]

The words “intelligently directed effect” do not add anything.

It does, since intelligently directed effects tend to have distinctive behaviour that allows us to know that the origin was an intelligence, similar to how i know that you have an intellect and that your effect is not just a random/chance event or a blind deterministic one. So it does add vital information in distinguishing between a blind non-directed natural process and a supernatural event according to how Christians understand it.

But if you don’t care about what Christians believe then your argument is irrelevant to us.

 

[IWantGod]

This is the Paley’s watch type of argument for the “intelligent design” and it is incorrect.

No it isn’t. Your making a straw-man. And we can end the discussion.