Original Sin in the catholic Church vs Orthodoxy

[rinnie]

That is not quite accurate. Romans 5:12 was mistranslated in the Vulgate as saying that we all sinned in Adam. But the verse does not carry this meaning in Greek. It could be construed as saying that all sinned because of Adam, or that all sinned because of death (both are valid interpretations), but it cannot be construed to mean that all share in the personal fault and guilt of Adam. We bear the consequences of mortality and concupiscience as a race (as some commentators pointed out, this is the meaning of Adam and Eve being clothed in animal skins, that they were being clothed in mortality and irrationality), but not the personal guilt of Adam.

No, because we are not guilty of his sin. We are born ‘fettered’ so to speak, by the effects of the original sin, which causes us to sin further, something which Nicholas Cabasilas compares to an endless cycle which cannot be loosed by the efforts of man alone. But these effects are not Adam’s guilt for his transgression.

Because paradise refers to man’s prelapsarian state, which was lost after the original sin.

Bearing the effects of Adam’s sin (mortality and irrationality) does not make us personally guilty, that is the whole point.

It does not matter if we are guilty of the sin, the point is we are all held personally guilty for the sin of Adam.

Which I think is a very very good point, because it is said why baptise an infant, What sin could they be guilty of. Hopefully people can see that original sin is not personal sin that we have committed, it is a sin that we are held guilty of because of Adam and Eve. But more then actual sin, the church calls it a state of being.

I have said this earlier and had a very negative response. But it is worth repeating.

What I said is this, if you had to have Personal guilt to be guilty of a sin, then look at our dear Jesus to prove this is not true.

He paid for the sins of many, yet had no sin. He had no persoanl guilt either, but paid for it by his death for us.

But that is why we as Catholic’s get our babies baptised as soon as possible. It repairs the damage and fills us with the grace that was lost by Adam.

That is why we call Jesus the New Adam and the Blessed Mother the new Eve. Where Adam failed Christ was triumphed.

But I do not see where anywhere in any Church teaching it is said or ever been said that the Church teaches we have personal guilt. But the Church does teach we are in a fallen state, which is what sin is, we inherited it.

And although Christ made it possible by his death on the cross to have it wiped away, we still must be Baptised for that to happen.

Once again I pray many who disagree with infant Baptism will truly pray on this matter and see that we all come into the world with that original sin. See that we have no personal guilt in, but are all held guilty, or is accountable if thats a better word. But it is the same.

God Bless you and hopefully we can help others learn the true word of God, and he continues to work through everyone of us.

But of course he never had original sin, that is not what I am saying, I am just using him as an example of paying for the sins of us, where he was not guilty. But he paid for the guilt of sin of man.