Original sin is unexplainable

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It is enough for me to accept that God considers that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Yet, like you, I want to understand the history of it in a simpler way.

I see sin as a cancer cell. Science says that cancer cells are present within in our bodies in a benign form but when activated a body starts to be destroyed. In the same way by choosing our will over God’s will it starts destroying the soul and body. We are beings of free will. We are given choices and we either follow God’s will or our own will. Sin is choosing our will over God’s. The cancer is formed and no longer benign.

Given that how did we end up being sinners here? It is a matter of physical location, where we physically are. First, heaven was a perfect place for the angels. Then sin was found in Lucifer, soon to become Satan, the adversary. He exalted his will over God’s and the cancer formed and he had to be removed to restore the perfect place. Likewise, Adam and Eve preferred their will over God’s and the cancer formed and they had to be removed to restore the perfect place. They lost access to the Garden, so we lost our Garden inheritance like our nearer ancestors lost money in the 1928 crash.

We lost access to the Garden because our first ancestors lost access to the Garden because they violated the terms of the agreement and there must be a reckoning. That is why we hold the rule of law in such high regard, injustice must be reckoned with, it is part of the imprinted image of God. Now we must walk in a world that is not perfect, that is what we inherited, a place that also has a formed cancer and also cries for deliverance. We are promised a new heaven and earth that is perfect in due time determined by God.

Part of the reckoning is that God declared that the shedding of blood, an operation so to speak, is necessary to cleanse the cancer of opposing God’s will. The other part of the reckoning is that we must walk through this cancer of a world. We should learn obedience from the process to value what was lost. At birth our free will is not yet tested. As we grow it is tested and we pass and fail by greater and lesser degrees.

Free will beings are able to give God the greatest glory. Since God is the only perfect free will being and our creator, we reflect His perfect image when we prefer His will instead of our own. Original sin is the sin of the original human beings made in His image. They were locked out of perfection and so are we until we pass from this life into the next having learned what it is like in an imperfect, cancerous world, so we can value the next and not choose our wills over God’s.

God has not orphaned us though. He gives us help in the time of need if we ask. He gave us the perfect relief for the reckoning, He gave us Jesus. Walking in this cancerous world as a human being and divine but using only His human free will to perfectly obey, Jesus became the perfect human blood atonement.

If we believe, we can use this perfect human atonement to regain our inheritance lost by the imperfect choices of our human ancestors. Until the time of the end of the reckoning determined by God, He left us His Word to follow containing the promises and the grace to endure. Jesus was the first, the Word and grace made flesh. He passed on the Word, the Grace, and the Authority to His disciples and they formed the first church to pass on that Word, Grace, and Authority to future generations.

That church exists today as the Catholic Church. There are others who desire to obey God but follow a limited version of the Word and Grace because some of their ancestors stepped outside of the chain of authority initiated by Jesus. Even still, we call them brothers if they are baptized into the atonement in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

That is how I explain original sin. The cancer of self-will over God’s will explains this world and the atonement explains the next where we will be given a new name, a new body, and a new place to live as promised in His Word if only we seek to know and obey Him by His Grace which is new every morning.
 
Hi, FMX, Just stopped by, haven’t read everything.
I will give you what I have on original sin, hope it helps.

Genesis 3, when Adam (and Eve) disobeyed God, they were deprived of the Tree of Life (Genesis 3:22). Without the access to the fruit from the Tree of Life, man dies. God placed a fiery sword and a cherubim to guard the Tree (v.24).

God created Adam and Eve and all his children pure, free of sin.
When they disobeyed and ate the forbidden fruit, they not only cut themselves off from God but we as well. As direct descendents we “contracted” their sin(disobedience) and not committed as our personal sin.

Original Sin is a state and not an act. Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases Original Sin and turns us back toward God.
Code:
 Christ restores the Tree of Life.  Through Christ, we have eternal life.  His Cross becomes the new Tree of Life and His Body is the fruit.  We eat of His Body and we gain eternal life.
Through obedience (and Baptism), we are united to Christ, and through Christ and His Body, we gain eternal life.
Sin is disobedience to God. If we disobey God (sin), after Baptism, we are again separated from him. We must repent of mortal sin, receive forgiveness and absolution through sacramental confession before being restored to the fullness of His sanctifying grace once more.
From my collection of notes.;)🙂
Peace,Carlan
 
It doesn’t help, but let me explain why.

A depth company would pass the responsibility to me in order to recieve the money, but God… what is He passing to me? That is just wrong. I did nothing.

I cannot be a sinner just because I sinned for the first time, I simply go ahead and sin because I am a sinner, right?

So…
The Good News is that God has come to man, reconciling us with Himself. This is necessary because man is cut off from God. Who cares who’s fault it was-isn’t it obvious that it’s true? Every time we sin-or every time we read the newspaper and read of others’ sins-often grievous, heinous, unreasonable, selfish, unnecessary-isn’t it obvious that the world doesn’t act the “way it should”?

The doctrine of original sin goes further to answer the question of moral evil-why it exists at all-than any other theory I know of. The injustice within man- the offense against God and nature that this sin speaks of- is the very separation from Him that we’re all born with in this world. Man was meant to know and walk with God, God’s Spirit residing within and leading him in peace and harmony with himself and the rest of humankind. But the Catechism claims there’s a division even within ourselves. When man disobeyed God, he, by rejecting God’s authority, effectively rejected Him as his God. And this is why we’re born without faith in God, let alone hope in and love for Him. And this divorced man from his own nature as well, because we weren’t designed to be autonomous from our Maker. So each of us has a choice-to continue in sin, following the family tradition, reaffirming Adam & Eves’ rebellious choice every time we sin, or to follow Jesus who triumphed over sin and promises to help us do the same.

So man needs God, or else he remains without hope, quoting Pope Benedict in his encyclical, Spe Salvi. Otherwise we’re hopelessly lost to sin and death, without even a clue where we came from, what we’re doing here, or where we’re going.
 
The Good News is that God has come to man, reconciling us with Himself. This is necessary because man is cut off from God. Who cares who’s fault it was-isn’t it obvious that it’s true? Every time we sin-or every time we read the newspaper and read of others’ sins-often grievous, heinous, unreasonable, selfish, unnecessary-isn’t it obvious that the world doesn’t act the “way it should”?

The doctrine of original sin goes further to answer the question of moral evil-why it exists at all-than any other theory I know of. The injustice within man- the offense against God and nature that this sin speaks of- is the very separation from Him that we’re all born with in this world. Man was meant to know and walk with God, God’s Spirit residing within and leading him in peace and harmony with himself and the rest of humankind. But the Catechism claims there’s a division even within ourselves. When man disobeyed God, he, by rejecting God’s authority, effectively rejected Him as his God. And this is why we’re born without faith in God, let alone hope in and love for Him. And this divorced man from his own nature as well, because we weren’t designed to be autonomous from our Maker. So each of us has a choice-to continue in sin, following the family tradition, reaffirming Adam & Eves’ rebellious choice every time we sin, or to follow Jesus who triumphed over sin and promises to help us do the same.

So man needs God, or else he remains without hope, quoting Pope Benedict in his encyclical, Spe Salvi. Otherwise we’re hopelessly lost to sin and death, without even a clue where we came from, what we’re doing here, or where we’re going.
Thanks Flanson, excellent post! Peace, Carlan
 
Hi, FMX, Just stopped by, haven’t read everything.
I will give you what I have on original sin, hope it helps.

Genesis 3, when Adam (and Eve) disobeyed God, they were deprived of the Tree of Life (Genesis 3:22). Without the access to the fruit from the Tree of Life, man dies. God placed a fiery sword and a cherubim to guard the Tree (v.24).

God created Adam and Eve and all his children pure, free of sin.
When they disobeyed and ate the forbidden fruit, they not only cut themselves off from God but we as well. As direct descendents we “contracted” their sin(disobedience) and not committed as our personal sin.

Original Sin is a state and not an act. Baptism, by imparting the life of Christ’s grace, erases Original Sin and turns us back toward God.
Code:
 Christ restores the Tree of Life.  Through Christ, we have eternal life.  His Cross becomes the new Tree of Life and His Body is the fruit.  We eat of His Body and we gain eternal life.
Through obedience (and Baptism), we are united to Christ, and through Christ and His Body, we gain eternal life.
Sin is disobedience to God. If we disobey God (sin), after Baptism, we are again separated from him. We must repent of mortal sin, receive forgiveness and absolution through sacramental confession before being restored to the fullness of His sanctifying grace once more.
From my collection of notes.;)🙂
Peace,Carlan
Carlan, thank you for helping but what I don’t understand is that we are born sinners. How can we be born sinners?
 
Carlan, thank you for helping but what I don’t understand is that we are born sinners. How can we be born sinners?
As I said FMX,Original Sin is a state and not an act. We did not commit the original sin we contracted it from the first parents.
Just hang in here friend, someone will come along smarter than I to give you the explanation you are seeking,:)Peace, Carlan
 
If your great grandfather was a wealthy landowner who had billions, but he lost at all due to gambling and illegal activities, you would inherit nothing. Does that mean you were a reincarnation of our great grandfather because you yourself were born poor?

Adam and Eve were created with perfect grace, and had an intimate relationship with God. They lost that through their sin of disobedience, so we inherit their condition of being without sanctifying grace, and severed from relationship with God. Reincarnation in no way addresses, explains or pertains to this situation of loss into which we are born.
 
Carlan, thank you for helping but what I don’t understand is that we are born sinners. How can we be born sinners?
We are NOT “born sinners”. We are born incapable of not sinning. There is a HUGE difference there.

So, you aren’t a sinner unless and until you actually commit a sin. It’s why children up until the age of reason aren’t held accountable for any sins they may commit. They know no better and so are not guilty.

So, you and I are not guilty of sin merely because we were born. We are only guilty of the sins we actually commit that we know are sins but do them anyway.

We are born deprived of sanctifying grace not born sinners. But, baptism restores sanctifying grace making it possible for us to resist sin. We sin only because we are still wounded with the results of Adam and Eve’s disobedience. Children are no better than their parents. Your parents and mine were born in the same condition. You haven’t been singled out, you know. We’re all in the same boat. 😉
 
Re: Original sin;

If what Adam and Eve did has anything thing to do with me then christianity must in some way believe in reincarnation.

In other words; I did not pick fruit from that tree.
we are all descendants of adam and eve…they were the first humans…god punished them by placing original sin on their descendants…it has absoloutely nothing to do with reincarnation which the church is against by the way
 
As I said FMX,Original Sin is a state and not an act. We did not commit the original sin we contracted it from the first parents.
Just hang in here friend, someone will come along smarter than I to give you the explanation you are seeking,:)Peace, Carlan
That’s just it, I’ll stick around here longer and more often and these thoughts will in time brush out of my mind. Thank you Carlan.
 
That’s just it, I’ll stick around here longer and more often and these thoughts will in time brush out of my mind. Thank you Carlan.
Hi,

It sounds to me you want to know the cause and effect of you being a sinner.

Adam sinned (cause), and therefore Adam lost the life of God, grace (effect).

Adam is the first parent (cause), you and I are his children (effect).

Adam can’t give you and me what he dosen’t have, grace, which is the life of God which he lost.
Without this grace, a person is considered in the state of sin, ergo, sinner.

You and I are sinners from the begining without doing anything.

But here is the good news, St. Augustine said, “O happy sin” because God so loved the world that He sent His only begotten Son to save us. “No greater love does a man have then that He lay down his life for his friends.”

And so Christ’s death (cause), makes us saints by restoring our life of grace (effect),
ergo, we become saints by special invitation to His baptism of water and blood.​

“If anyone says he is without sin, he is a lier.” St. John
 
Re: Original sin;

If what Adam and Eve did has anything thing to do with me then christianity must in some way believe in reincarnation.

In other words; I did not pick fruit from that tree.
It’s sort of a Catch-22. The original sin was to reject God-by rejecting His authority (His godhood). All sins that follow come by virtue of this separation. (If we don’t think original sin is operative in ourselves and or at least others, we should just contemplate on any given newspaper on any given day). This is why the first commandment is what it is, and why the greatest commandments (love of God and neighbor) are what they are. Unless God indwells and guides man, man is lost. And this is why the New Covenant promises, such as those found in Jer 31, read as they do, because they are about God reconciling Himself with man, truly, interiorly, becoming the God of us again:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the LORD.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the LORD.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”
 
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