Original sin:

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A kind of genetic predisposition as the result of the Fall.

For example, suppose your ancestors ate a toxic plant that had effects that would last until the planet itself ceased to exist. (kind of like effects of toxic radiation on all living organisms. It does last).

They would die. Their descendents would all be affected, some to a greater degree and some a lesser, all through their lives from birth to death, as certain immunities might build up in a population, but then due to ‘mutations’ those immunities would wear down, etc.

Original sin is like that. We didn’t get conceived and born sinning against God personally, but the action of Adam and Eve has an enduring temporal effect on each of us. Because we are ‘weaker’ and less prone to resist evil (though we have free will and even the weakest of us with God’s help can resist the strongest evils) we have ‘concupiscience.’ However as St. Paul tells us, God’s power is made most manifest in our weakness.
 
This may be helpful for you:

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

The explanation begins at 385 and continues to 429

Paragraph 7. The Fall

385 God is infinitely good and all his works are good. Yet no one can escape the experience of suffering or the evils in nature which seem to be linked to the limitations proper to creatures: and above all to the question of moral evil.

Where does evil come from?
 
Dianaid,

This is a very good question considering the Mormon understanding. There are Orthodox prelates now seriously looking at the restoration of unity between the Latin and Orthodox…it will be interesting how the two ‘lungs’ can mesh…I think in some ways the same as the orthodox…hoping that this restored unity will take an edge of the legalism and bureaucracy that plagues the Western churches. The Orthodox are more mystical.

The link given you on Original Sin is best we can give you. The Orthodox do not see it as such…think we are all made with free will and it is choice through grace to choose good or evil.

We go back to the ‘orginal sin’ of Eve being tempted to be as gods. We see mankind playing God every day…deciding who lives, who dies, re-defining right vs wrong instead of the 10 Commandments given Moses in the most simple yet complete form…vs earlier Code of Hammurabi.

I think God tweaked us weak enough to so that we would need the Savior… I would prefer to be imperfect but have Jesus any day.
 
See, I’m the opposite. I would hope Western Christianity could take the edge off the Orthodox views on the Atonement and straighten them out with more of a proper Biblical Levitical, Isaiahan, Pauline view of the Atonement! ;)👍

I love that “Orthodox are so mystical!” comment. I hear it daily in here and never hear what that actually means?:confused:😛
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Dianaid,

This is a very good question considering the Mormon understanding. There are Orthodox prelates now seriously looking at the restoration of unity between the Latin and Orthodox…it will be interesting how the two ‘lungs’ can mesh…I think in some ways the same as the orthodox…hoping that this restored unity will take an edge of the legalism and bureaucracy that plagues the Western churches. The Orthodox are more mystical.

The link given you on Original Sin is best we can give you. The Orthodox do not see it as such…think we are all made with free will and it is choice through grace to choose good or evil.

We go back to the ‘orginal sin’ of Eve being tempted to be as gods. We see mankind playing God every day…deciding who lives, who dies, re-defining right vs wrong instead of the 10 Commandments given Moses in the most simple yet complete form…vs earlier Code of Hammurabi.

I think God tweaked us weak enough to so that we would need the Savior… I would prefer to be imperfect but have Jesus any day.
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Mysticism is outside of linear time, transcends the finite…

I would have to say, though, that the Orthodox would have to work on some particular issues that also come up when people go to inquire there…
 
The Mass in Catholicism is no different. It is outside of time, mystical, a divine mystery, heaven opens up, angels are present, the BVM and Her Beloved Son, God the Father, the company of heaven proclaim his glory. The same Sacrifice of Calvary takes place, forgiveness of sins, and amazing communion between God and man takes place. The Orthodox have more piety, more attention to tradition, better delivery but the reality exists.
KathleenGee said:
Mysticism is outside of linear time, transcends the finite…

I would have to say, though, that the Orthodox would have to work on some particular issues that also come up when people go to inquire there…
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
I love that “Orthodox are so mystical!” comment. I hear it daily in here and never hear what that actually means?:confused:😛
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I take it to mean that they tend to emphasize apophatic theology more tan the West tends to. I think some people also tend to think of theosis as being airy-fairy mystical, but I don’t know that I would agree.
 
From what I understand it’s our fallen nature due to the original sin committed by Adam and Eve.
 
what if the story of adam and eve are just an allegory for life?
 
and i very much believe in original sin, but i know that through our baptism the sins are forgiven. Jesus died for us. He lives inside of us. And so what if the question keeps popping up in my mind, What if it is just an allegory for our life?
 
JoeytheItalian said:
and i very much believe in original sin, but i know that through our baptism the sins are forgiven. Jesus died for us. He lives inside of us. And so what if the question keeps popping up in my mind, What if it is just an allegory for our life?
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Hi Joey,

Yes our sins are forgiven however as humans we do fall back into sin due to our fallen nature.

I don’t think Adam and Eve is an allegory for a couple of reasons:

1, If god made us he would not have made us with the inclination to sin, we are made in the image of god and therefore should be perfect. I don’t believe god is the cause for our inclination to sin.

2, I do not believe Jesus came down from heaven, became man and died on the cross for our sins to redeem an allegory. The consequences of adam and eve’s fall into sin was why our lord died on the cross. For our redemption.
 
Guerny,

Agree…about the Mass…it does the same whether it is Latin or Orthodox…what i am referring to is the Latin mindset of defining everything including…works!..indulgences and the number of linear days…can’t define the mystical working of grace by linear time…

Bluelake…

That image of Mary is supposed to be the first one we have of her…don’t know how far back it goes…

Joe…Jesus referred to Himself more frequently as the Son of Man…He coming from earth…mankind preceeding Him…He taking on our flesh and blood from us through Mary…to be the new life for mankind…One among us…
 
Barbkw said:
This may be helpful for you:

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p7.htm

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church

The explanation begins at 385 and continues to 429

Paragraph 7. The Fall

385 God is infinitely good and all his works are good. Yet no one can escape the experience of suffering or the evils in nature which seem to be linked to the limitations proper to creatures: and above all to the question of moral evil.

Where does evil come from?
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In order to understand Original Sin, may I suggest learning about Adam and his relationship with God by beginning with CCC paragraph 355.
 
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