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Let me try a new one.
The sin of Adam in Genesis 3 was Original.
As Paul said in Romans 5:12: “Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.”
Now look at verses 15 - 19.
15 But not as the offence, so also the gift. For if by the offence of one, many died; much more the grace of God, and the gift, by the grace of one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one sin, so also is the gift. For judgment indeed was by one unto condemnation; but grace is of many offences, unto justification.
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned through one; much more they who receive abundance of grace, and of the gift, and of justice, shall reign in life through one, Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as by the offence of one, unto all men to condemnation; so also by the justice of one, unto all men to justification of life.
19 For as by the disobedience of one man, many were made sinners; so also by the obedience of one, many shall be made just.
Who did it bring condemnation for, Adam only? No, verse 18 says, “Therefore, as by the offence of one, unto all men to condemnation; so also by the justice of one, unto all men to justification of life.”
This is stated even more clearly in the KJV: “Therefore, as by the offense of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation.”
Because of Adam’s sin, all men were made subject to sin and death. That is original sin.
We are all the seed of Adam. Therefore, we have inherited this sin.
The catechism says: “original sin is called ‘sin’ only in an analogical sense: it is a sin ‘contracted’ and not ‘committed’—a state and not an act” (CCC 404).
There is a parallel in 1 Cor 15:21–22: “For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.”
There are two verses in Hebrews 7 that further explain the concept of how we are “in” Adam.
Hebrews 7: 9-10, This refers to when Abraham and Melchizedek met in Genesis 14: "One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, was tithed through Abraham, for he was still in his father’s loins when Melchizedek met him.
Levi wasn’t born for another seventy years after this happened. Yet the Bible says that Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek. Levi was in Abraham—in his loins, according to the Bible.
We are born with a fallen nature as a result of Adam’s sin. We are born of Adam’s body into condemnation. We are born of Christ’s body unto salvation.
Are Catholics guilty of the concept of “automatic imputation”?
In other words, because Adam sinned then do we assume that sin (and the guilt of sin) is automatically passed on to all men and therefore all are born dead to God and condemned.
If this is true, then are Catholics beliefs consistent by claiming that because of Jesus’ righteousness (as opposed to Adam’s sin), all men should have righteousness automatically imputed to them as well.
Thanks
The sin of Adam in Genesis 3 was Original.
As Paul said in Romans 5:12: “Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.”
Now look at verses 15 - 19.
15 But not as the offence, so also the gift. For if by the offence of one, many died; much more the grace of God, and the gift, by the grace of one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one sin, so also is the gift. For judgment indeed was by one unto condemnation; but grace is of many offences, unto justification.
17 For if by one man’s offence death reigned through one; much more they who receive abundance of grace, and of the gift, and of justice, shall reign in life through one, Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as by the offence of one, unto all men to condemnation; so also by the justice of one, unto all men to justification of life.
19 For as by the disobedience of one man, many were made sinners; so also by the obedience of one, many shall be made just.
Who did it bring condemnation for, Adam only? No, verse 18 says, “Therefore, as by the offence of one, unto all men to condemnation; so also by the justice of one, unto all men to justification of life.”
This is stated even more clearly in the KJV: “Therefore, as by the offense of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation.”
Because of Adam’s sin, all men were made subject to sin and death. That is original sin.
We are all the seed of Adam. Therefore, we have inherited this sin.
The catechism says: “original sin is called ‘sin’ only in an analogical sense: it is a sin ‘contracted’ and not ‘committed’—a state and not an act” (CCC 404).
There is a parallel in 1 Cor 15:21–22: “For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.”
There are two verses in Hebrews 7 that further explain the concept of how we are “in” Adam.
Hebrews 7: 9-10, This refers to when Abraham and Melchizedek met in Genesis 14: "One might even say that Levi himself, who receives tithes, was tithed through Abraham, for he was still in his father’s loins when Melchizedek met him.
Levi wasn’t born for another seventy years after this happened. Yet the Bible says that Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek. Levi was in Abraham—in his loins, according to the Bible.
We are born with a fallen nature as a result of Adam’s sin. We are born of Adam’s body into condemnation. We are born of Christ’s body unto salvation.
Are Catholics guilty of the concept of “automatic imputation”?
In other words, because Adam sinned then do we assume that sin (and the guilt of sin) is automatically passed on to all men and therefore all are born dead to God and condemned.
If this is true, then are Catholics beliefs consistent by claiming that because of Jesus’ righteousness (as opposed to Adam’s sin), all men should have righteousness automatically imputed to them as well.
Thanks
