Orthodox Catholic Reversion

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Yes, multiple overlapping jurisdictions, it’s a problem that needs to be worked on, and IF he entered the Orthodox Church because he believes it is the true Church, which I imagine or would hope he did at least at one point, that should be a minor annoyance viewed in proper perspective rather than a reason to leave the Orthodox Church… there are overlapping jurisdictions of the same faith and Church and it hasn’t been remedied yet… ok, give it time- why is a somewhat uncanonical situation in a country slightly over 200 years old, given the history and situations concerned, such an issue? Please stop telling me to read things which I already have read, since it’s rather condescending.
Nicholas,

I am not being condescending towards you. I believe you are being condescending towards the OP in your earlier posts, particularly since you knew from the outset that he is concerned about the Orthodox jurisdictional issues in the Americas.
 
Nicholas,

I am not being condescending towards you. I believe you are being condescending towards the OP in your earlier posts, particularly since you knew from the outset that he is concerned about the Orthodox jurisdictional issues in the Americas.
Ok, so did he ask hot to revert and get the proper informative replies? Did he then continue on and post other concerns or thoughts? I guess nothing else concerned is worthy of conversation besides that which applies to reversion? If I believe it is not something to be terribly concerned about and you do I shouldn’t mention it?

Ok, so you’re not being condescending toward me and I’m not being condescending toward the OP, and that is the only reasonable conclusion to come to since we both deny it and only we know what is our actual intent and what is in our heart. That’s fine with me.
 
The ethnicity of the Orthodox Church is something that matters to me, but would not be a reason to leave, I agree. I’m sure different people would have different comfort levels depending on their attitudes and experiences. There is a lot packed into that particular comment, though. It goes all the way from simple human discomfort to a reminder that, let’s face it, a big part of the reason the church is there at all is because it was built by and for a narrow group of immigrants. That’s fine, but I can’t help but contrast that with the universality of the Catholic church. So there is a point that you would call – rightly – superficial, but it is on a continuum that reaches to the claim of “catholicity.”

As for “other people,” I was thinking of the broader exposure to fellow worshippers at a service who are black and asian and hispanic. I have tried to be candid (under my own name, no less) and, yes, this and many other things I’ve said don’t reflect well on me. But most orthodox parishes I have seen seem to be pretty homogenous.

As I said, it is impossible for me to set down everything that brings me to where I’m at, and my purpose is not to criticize anyone or debate the relative merits of Orthodoxy and Catholicism. I’m sure there are other places here to do that. The things I mention are the “top of mind” items, but there are movements of the heart of which it is hard for me to understand myself, much less describe.

But I welcome challenging comments as I am trying to work this out for myself, hopefully listening to the God’s prompts. I left the Catholic Church originally in reaction to what I believed were persistent local liturgical abuses and failure to take a stand on important issues like abortion. It wasn’t because I ran across the filoque controversy and said “Wow, the Catholics have been wrong all along – better switch!” I am now presented with the impulse to reexamine my decision. If I was wrong to do so, then common sense tells me it is a mistake I should consider correcting.

I am the one having to work out my salvation with my family. I might have been wrong to convert to Orthodoxy. I might have done so without considering the big picture. That is what I am willing to consider. Please don’t pick one thing I said, though, and respond as if I am carelessly basing a decision that impacts the salvation of my soul on whether or not I enjoy my Christianity with Russian sprinkles on top or Roman.

Finally, thanks for the suggestions about different jurisdictions. As a practical matter, Orthodox churches are thin on the ground. The very act of driving twenty miles or more does little to help me feel close to a community of faith.

Nicholas, this sinner welcomes your prayers for God’s enlightenment.

So I guess anyone can take away from this that I am a shallow person who doesn’t like foreigners and is too lazy to drive more than a couple of miles to church. I don’t think it would be hard with a good will, however, to try to understand not only the lines but what is between them.

Who is flogging me to consider this? To say the Rosary every night and enjoy a sudden break from vice? To read spiritual books, including the Bible? To visit churches and pray? The prompts I am receiving could be temptations from the devil, I suppose, but that’s not what they feel like, and the fruits so far do not seem diabolical. I can’t post everything in my heart, so the forum does not get a fair picture.

Thanks for everyone’s comments. tdgesq, thanks for helping out a fellow member of the bar, if your handle means what I think it does.

In the end, I don’t believe Orthodoxy and Catholicism are that far apart, as I have said. In this, I am probably closer to the Catholic Church’s understanding of the differences, rather than the Orthodox Church’s teaching.
 
Dear brother Timothy,
In the end, I don’t believe Orthodoxy and Catholicism are that far apart, as I have said. In this, I am probably closer to the Catholic Church’s understanding of the differences, rather than the Orthodox Church’s teaching.
That’s definitely one of the biggest reasons I joined the Catholic communion - understanding by the grace of the Holy Spirit that the differences were not big enough to be in schism from the bishop of Rome. In my studies, I took to heart the examples of Pope St. Victor and St. Irenaeus, and Popes St. Cyril and St. Athanasius, and St. Maximus the Confessor.

Abundant blessings,
Marduk

P.S. Welcome home.
 
Dear brother Timothy,

That’s definitely one of the biggest reasons I joined the Catholic communion - understanding by the grace of the Holy Spirit that the differences were not big enough to be in schism from the bishop of Rome. In my studies, I took to heart the examples of Pope St. Victor and St. Irenaeus, and Popes St. Cyril and St. Athanasius, and St. Maximus the Confessor.

Abundant blessings,
Marduk

P.S. Welcome home.
And by what God has shown to both of you, Marduk and Timothy, has led to strengthen the faith of many others myself included. 👍
 
And by what God has shown to both of you, Marduk and Timothy, has led to strengthen the faith of many others myself included. 👍
Mine, too. And I hope that your witness will serve to further the cause of reunion and not to divide.
 
Wow! This has bee very interesting and illuminating. I have been carefully considering converting to Orthodoxy for the past 3-4 years. Yes that is a long time to “consider” converting, but it is no small thing, I am also Married with two small children both baptized RC. My reasons have more to do with theological stands and not with anything lacking in the Holy RC church. I also must add that I am and have been very attracted to EO worship and spirituality. But I also have a great love and appreciation for my RC traditions and spirituality. I would make one comment that a matter as serious as converting should only be made through the guidance of the holy spirit, because of the TRUTH of the faith that you are converting to, and not for any other reason. All I can say is that converting to or from Catholicism is no easy decision. I pray for all who are currently in this situation and hope they pray for me. It would be cool to get in touch with others in this situation.
 
I agree that one’s perception of the truth is important. However, I am not so confident that a cerebral study of doctrinal differences is the only way of appreciating the truth.

With all respect, I am not going to back down from my expression of concern over the emphasis on ethnicity. The scandal of phyletism has fatally undermined my confidence in the Orthodox Church as the catholic church and my spiritual home. This is expressed along the whole continuum, from multiple Orthodox bishops in every major American city down to the person in the parish who asks “Why do you want to come to church here? You’re not Russian.” Granted, this is not Orthodoxy at its best, but I could never imagine a Catholic saying to anyone, “Why would you want to come to this church? You’re not Irish!” It’s a mindset.

Who can imagine our President saying, without ecclesiastical reproach, “Our nuclear arsenal and the Roman Catholic Church are the two guarantees of American security,” as Vladimir Putin said in connection with the Russian Orthodox Church? This is another example of what I mean when I say Old World nationalism intrudes on what should be the universal expression of Christian belief and solidarity. This is not an aberration in Orthodoxy, but a modern expression of its imperial roots. I don’t think a Russian would find anything to apologize for in this, nor would I ask him to.

Anyway, I fear that long after the Orthodox and Roman Catholics have returned to communion, there will still be significant divisions among Orthodox Christians (beginning with the Orthodox who split off on account of that communion). Anyone who is really familiar with Orthodoxy from the inside will probably have to admit to a rueful laugh. I just don’t see the will to solve this problem, in part because the claim to American faithful is an irresistible temptation to Old World churches, and also because Orthodoxy is an essential cultural expression to many people.

This is sad, because Orthodoxy is beautiful and rich in spirituality. It is liturgically stable and generally conservative, which is a good thing, in my opinion. The Orthodox are devoted to Mary, which is an infallible sign of grace we are told and I believe. The Orthodox hymns in her honor are among the most beautiful and meaningful expressions of human wonder and love the world has ever heard. I certainly agree with all these attractions. Orthodoxy is mostly good and mostly true, to the best of my discernment, and I count my excursion thereto as a happy error. But it is time to come home.

What I meant about being surrounded by Catholic churches since I moved has nothing to do with convenience. It has to do with re-exposure to a richer expression of Catholic practices and ready support to this struggling sinner that I believe is Providential. It has allowed me to see the error I committed in leaving. I was faithless and faint-hearted.

I am convinced that Jesus intends the Church to be one, and the earthly father of that Church – for all Christians, whether they wish to acknowledge paternity or not – is the Holy Father in Rome. The role of Peter in scripture and his successors in history is just too big for me to ignore. The Pope is the lightning rod of the world for a reason. The impact of this realization forces me to conclude it is time to come home.

I did not post this thread to be controversial, and it was probably unwise to answer the question about why I was considering reverting. Having done so, however, I wish to further clarify my answer to avoid misleading anyone.

Above all, my explanation of my circumstances is not counsel to anyone else. I am hardly in a position to give advice. It is also not an indictment of individual Orthodox people with whom I have worshipped and loved for many years. As I said before, I love the Orthodox Church. As I say the Rosary, however, I realize I have come home. I look forward to full communion with my Orthodox brothers and sisters so that all such controversy can be put behind us.

I pray that God blesses everyone who has participated in this dialogue, and that each one finds his or her heart’s true home.
 
Brother Tim, I think it was a good thing for you to share with us your journey. I thank you for sharing! Please don’t misunderstand me, I don’t mean imply that yours reasons are not sincere or valid. Only that in my Opinion, in the end what matters is “worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth” as Christ would say. It seems to me that you are now convinced that Rome is were you should be. I would make not criticism of this, or of you. I UNDERSTAND the difficulty and seriousness of my fellow Christians struggling on this Journey to Rome or to Orthodoxy; as I am currently one. There is a saying there are no perfect churches, with perfect people – and if there were the moment I stepped into the church it would be ruined. 👍
 
I agree that one’s perception of the truth is important. However, I am not so confident that a cerebral study of doctrinal differences is the only way of appreciating the truth.

With all respect, I am not going to back down from my expression of concern over the emphasis on ethnicity. The scandal of phyletism has fatally undermined my confidence in the Orthodox Church as the catholic church and my spiritual home. This is expressed along the whole continuum, from multiple Orthodox bishops in every major American city down to the person in the parish who asks “Why do you want to come to church here? You’re not Russian.” Granted, this is not Orthodoxy at its best, but I could never imagine a Catholic saying to anyone, “Why would you want to come to this church? You’re not Irish!” It’s a mindset.

Who can imagine our President saying, without ecclesiastical reproach, “Our nuclear arsenal and the Roman Catholic Church are the two guarantees of American security,” as Vladimir Putin said in connection with the Russian Orthodox Church? This is another example of what I mean when I say Old World nationalism intrudes on what should be the universal expression of Christian belief and solidarity. This is not an aberration in Orthodoxy, but a modern expression of its imperial roots. I don’t think a Russian would find anything to apologize for in this, nor would I ask him to.

Anyway, I fear that long after the Orthodox and Roman Catholics have returned to communion, there will still be significant divisions among Orthodox Christians (beginning with the Orthodox who split off on account of that communion). Anyone who is really familiar with Orthodoxy from the inside will probably have to admit to a rueful laugh. I just don’t see the will to solve this problem, in part because the claim to American faithful is an irresistible temptation to Old World churches, and also because Orthodoxy is an essential cultural expression to many people.

This is sad, because Orthodoxy is beautiful and rich in spirituality. It is liturgically stable and generally conservative, which is a good thing, in my opinion. The Orthodox are devoted to Mary, which is an infallible sign of grace we are told and I believe. The Orthodox hymns in her honor are among the most beautiful and meaningful expressions of human wonder and love the world has ever heard. I certainly agree with all these attractions. Orthodoxy is mostly good and mostly true, to the best of my discernment, and I count my excursion thereto as a happy error. But it is time to come home.

What I meant about being surrounded by Catholic churches since I moved has nothing to do with convenience. It has to do with re-exposure to a richer expression of Catholic practices and ready support to this struggling sinner that I believe is Providential. It has allowed me to see the error I committed in leaving. I was faithless and faint-hearted.

I am convinced that Jesus intends the Church to be one, and the earthly father of that Church – for all Christians, whether they wish to acknowledge paternity or not – is the Holy Father in Rome. The role of Peter in scripture and his successors in history is just too big for me to ignore. The Pope is the lightning rod of the world for a reason. The impact of this realization forces me to conclude it is time to come home.

I did not post this thread to be controversial, and it was probably unwise to answer the question about why I was considering reverting. Having done so, however, I wish to further clarify my answer to avoid misleading anyone.

Above all, my explanation of my circumstances is not counsel to anyone else. I am hardly in a position to give advice. It is also not an indictment of individual Orthodox people with whom I have worshipped and loved for many years. As I said before, I love the Orthodox Church. As I say the Rosary, however, I realize I have come home. I look forward to full communion with my Orthodox brothers and sisters so that all such controversy can be put behind us.

I pray that God blesses everyone who has participated in this dialogue, and that each one finds his or her heart’s true home.
Tim I’m in a similar place, and I share your concerns. Thanks for posting.
 
Brother Tim, I think it was a good thing for you to share with us your journey. I thank you for sharing! Please don’t misunderstand me, I don’t mean imply that yours reasons are not sincere or valid. Only that in my Opinion, in the end what matters is “worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth” as Christ would say. It seems to me that you are now convinced that Rome is were you should be. I would make not criticism of this, or of you. I UNDERSTAND the difficulty and seriousness of my fellow Christians struggling on this Journey to Rome or to Orthodoxy; as I am currently one. There is a saying there are no perfect churches, with perfect people – and if there were the moment I stepped into the church it would be ruined. 👍
No worries, sister. I felt I had first replied in haste and given the wrong impression. My pride would not let me leave it lie as it had fallen.

I went through a short period during which I wondered if I were “Ortholic,” so I completely understand if you feel “Cathodox.” 🙂

My children, by the way, are the youngest of them 18, and it remains to be seen if they will “swim the Tiber” with me. When they were growing up, they benefitted from the beautiful, engaging liturgy and spiritual formation with its emphasis on humility. (Orthodox converts also are tempted to pride, however, because Orthodoxy is so exacting. I know I was.)

Brad Nassif, a well-known Orthodox writer, dropped a bombshell on American Orthodoxy a while back when he wrote a piece about the “revolving door” in Orthodoxy. Converts come in, from both Catholic and evangelical backgrounds, but are, he says, leaving at a similar rate after a time. He believes it is due to a kind of formalism with which Catholics are familiar, too. He argues that mission one is an internal evangelization of the Orthodox Church to make living the Christian life a vibrant reality. That could only help the cause of reunion.

If my children remain truly faithful to Orthodoxy, it would not break my heart, that’s for sure. I don’t believe there are significant differences to tip the scale against the common treasure. As a practical matter, though, it is hard for them to be able to travel to a distant church at least once a week, and our parish tends to be older, so they don’t have an opportunity to meet friends (or potential mates) in the Orthodox church. From a paternal “pastoral” perspective (for, after all, the home is the church in miniature) I believe it will be easier for them, and more certain, to follow me into the Catholic Church.

I would rather have them active Catholics than lapsed Orthodox.
 
What is the process for someone who was once Catholic and then became Orthodox through chrismation to become Catholic again?
As “you once were a Catholic” and I assume (correctly I hope) that you have received the Sacraments of Baptism and Confirmation, all that would be necessary would be to talk to your parish Priest, and perhaps go to Confession.

The Orthodox Church’s are fully accepted in practice, if not in Theology and Philosophy. The biggest difference (not only) is the acceptance of the Primacy of Peter.

Comming back to the RCC of couse would require full and complete acceptance of all of Her Doctrine and Dogma’s. Both in personal belief and practice.

God bless you my friend, welcome home!

Merry Christmas,

PJM m.c.
 
I have been reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and the few things that I wonder about I am willing to accept until I understand them (if ever). What a document this is, by the way! I also just finished Mike Aquilina’s “Resilient Church,” which provided a birds-eye view of the Church through history.

Yes, I was baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church.
 
No worries, sister. I felt I had first replied in haste and given the wrong impression. My pride would not let me leave it lie as it had fallen.

I went through a short period during which I wondered if I were “Ortholic,” so I completely understand if you feel “Cathodox.” 🙂

My children, by the way, are the youngest of them 18, and it remains to be seen if they will “swim the Tiber” with me. When they were growing up, they benefitted from the beautiful, engaging liturgy and spiritual formation with its emphasis on humility. (Orthodox converts also are tempted to pride, however, because Orthodoxy is so exacting. I know I was.)

Brad Nassif, a well-known Orthodox writer, dropped a bombshell on American Orthodoxy a while back when he wrote a piece about the “revolving door” in Orthodoxy. Converts come in, from both Catholic and evangelical backgrounds, but are, he says, leaving at a similar rate after a time. He believes it is due to a kind of formalism with which Catholics are familiar, too. He argues that mission one is an internal evangelization of the Orthodox Church to make living the Christian life a vibrant reality. That could only help the cause of reunion.

If my children remain truly faithful to Orthodoxy, it would not break my heart, that’s for sure. I don’t believe there are significant differences to tip the scale against the common treasure. As a practical matter, though, it is hard for them to be able to travel to a distant church at least once a week, and our parish tends to be older, so they don’t have an opportunity to meet friends (or potential mates) in the Orthodox church. From a paternal “pastoral” perspective (for, after all, the home is the church in miniature) I believe it will be easier for them, and more certain, to follow me into the Catholic Church.

I would rather have them active Catholics than lapsed Orthodox.
LOL! Brother Tim, I am no “Sister” of yours. LOL! I am sure I am a man!
 
LOL! Brother Tim, I am no “Sister” of yours. LOL! I am sure I am a man!
I’m sure I don’t know why I said that!😊

Anyway. BROTHER I should have known because it is usually men who are drawn to Orthodoxy, what with the rigor and the beards!
 
It would likely be nominal – the Orthodox sacramental theology is very close (>99.999%) to Catholicism. It would be a matter of the Priest assessing that the person does believe what the Church believes about the Sacraments – which they should as Orthodox already.
Wow! A post I completly agree with… THANKS!

God bless you and Merry Christmas,

PJM m.c.
 
With all respect, I am not going to back down from my expression of concern over the emphasis on ethnicity.

I am convinced that Jesus intends the Church to be one, and the earthly father of that Church – for all Christians, whether they wish to acknowledge paternity or not – is the Holy Father in Rome. The role of Peter in scripture and his successors in history is just too big for me to ignore.
The fractured nature of Orthodoxy was also something that shook my confidence in its claims of being the true Church, even before I came to learn about the foundation of Catholic claims with respect to the role of the Pope as found in Mt16,18, Lk22,31 etc and as supported by the understanding and practice of the early Church which is evidenced in the writings of early Church Fathers and Popes from the first millennium.

From my vantage point, being introduced to Russian Orthodoxy, I saw fractures over ethnic lines, conflicting beliefs and conflicting traditions.

The essence of what I learned is this - perhaps it will help persuade someone considering a Catholic to Orthodox conversion, like I was considering in 2004, that it would be a mistake to do it.

One of the first things I learned among the Russian Orthodox believers was that they are an Old Calendar Church, and they celebrate Christmas on Jan 7, according to the Julian Calendar (essentially all fixed Feasts are celebrated 13 days later than in the CC). In my city at the time (New Orleans), there was a Greek Orthodox and an Antiochian Orthodox Church, however the Russians would not attend those churches because they are convinced that the adoption of the New Calendar by those Churches was a heresy (New = Gregorian Calendar, first proposed by a Pope around the 16th c. and adopted by the Patriarch of Constantinople as well as other Orthodox Patriarchs in the first half of the 20th c.). There were also other concerns over the “purity of worship and traditions”, i.e. the Russians condemned the fact that those other churches had pews to sit in, and the use of musical instruments during Liturgy was condemned, although I’m not sure whether the Greek and Antiochian Churches used musical instruments. There was also a strict dress code in the Russian OC, including head covering and only dresses for women, and these dress codes were not enforced strictly in the other churches. Basically, I found out that the Russian OC I was attending stands in a league of its own, and it regards all other New Calendar EO Churches or churches with pews as somewhat heterodox, even heretic, and lacking the necessary purity of worship. My experience relates to ROCOR (Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia), which at the time was not in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate, and I got the feeling but cannot say for sure that ordinary Russian people from Russia would have similar attitudes about New Calendar Churches. Essentially and for all practical purpose, the Russian Orthodox people I knew were not in communion with the Greek and Antiochian Orthodox Churches.

Since I grew up in Romania, I was also interested how the Romanian OC is regarded by ROCOR. Well, they are regarded as heterodox, because they are a New Calendar Church. Had I converted to the Russian version of Orthodoxy, and in the event of me visiting home to Romania, I would be encouraged to seek out an Old Calendar Church in Romania, and if I didn’t find one, I could attend the ordinary Romanian OC, but partaking in the Eucharist (Communion) there would be discouraged, unless I were to spend a long time in Romania in which case it is better to take communion at a New Calendar OC than not to take communion at all.

Interestingly in my home city of Arad, in Romania, there is a Romanian and a Serbian OC in the same square, within a hundred yards of each other. The Serbian OC might be Old Calendar, and I heard once a Serbian man chatting with a Romanian man and asserting in mid-January that “this is the true New Year”. There is for sure fracture over ethnic lines and perhaps over calendar issues in Old Europe, not only in USA, as evidenced by the Romanian and Serbian church buildings in Arad city. I could contrast this with the fact that many Catholic Churches in Arad city have services in 2 or 3 languages (Hungarian, Romanian, German) in the same building. Likewise here in Miami, USA, St. Mary Cathedral has services in English, Spanish, Creole languages, there are no separate US, Cuban, Haitian jurisdictions for the use of RC believers.

I would appreciate if someone familiar with the reunited MP-ROCOR Orthodox Church could comment on the present day practice of churches that formerly belonged to MP. However, I cannot even imagine the ROCOR priests in the reunited Russian OC altering their attitudes towards the New Calendar Churches.

More recently I found another small EO Church in New Orleans, one that belongs to the Basilian Fathers Secular, and this has Russian roots, but it is surely a big NO-NO for ROCOR and the MP, because this Basilian OC has re-established communion with the Catholic Church, and accepts the validity of Marian apparitions at Guadalupe, Lourdes, Fatima, with the added consequence of accepting the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady (“I am the Immaculate Conception” - she said at Lourdes, to St. Bernadette), which is rejected by most EO Churches.
 
Searching for the homepage of a Greek EO church here in Miami, I found that they displayed the image of Jesus Christ as in the Divine Mercy appearance to St. Faustina, on their website. The Divine Mercy appearance and message is also accepted by the Basilian EO Fathers who have a church in New Orleans.

Sadly, everything Catholic was vehemently rejected by ROCOR - the Eucharist was being joked about, the Marian apparitions were rejected as possible demonic deceptions, saints and doctors of the Church such as St. Francis of Assisi, St. Theresa of Avila, St. Therese of Lisieux were ridiculed for having fallen to hallucinations and possibly demonic deceptions of fake “Jesus” and “Mary”.

The reason why I believe Russian attitudes are important is obvious - the MP-ROCOR Russian Orthodox Church has more members (between 90 and 200 million according to estimates) than all the other EO Churches combined.

For me, at the end of the day, the Orthodox experience boiled down to this: conversion - NO; longing and prayers for reunion - YES. And I don’t mind, I was in fact greatly enriched by learning about such great Russian Orthodox saints, ascetics and martyrs as St. Seraphim of Sarov, St. Hermann of Alaska, St. Innocent of Aleutian Islands, St. Peter the Aleut (yes, the one martyred by Jesuit Fathers in California, because he insisted he was Christian already as an Orthodox, and refused to convert to the RCC under duress), and St. John Maximovitch of Shanghai and San Francisco. I heard Pope JP-II spoke with respect of St. Seraphim of Sarov, and I hope many Orthodox saints will be officially canonized in the Catholic Church after the reunion.
 
Dear brother Joseph,
For me, at the end of the day, the Orthodox experience boiled down to this: conversion - NO; longing and prayers for reunion - YES. And I don’t mind, I was in fact greatly enriched by learning about such great Russian Orthodox saints, ascetics and martyrs as St. Seraphim of Sarov, St. Hermann of Alaska, St. Innocent of Aleutian Islands, St. Peter the Aleut (yes, the one martyred by Jesuit Fathers in California, because he insisted he was Christian already as an Orthodox, and refused to convert to the RCC under duress), and St. John Maximovitch of Shanghai and San Francisco. I heard Pope JP-II spoke with respect of St. Seraphim of Sarov, and I hope many Orthodox saints will be officially canonized in the Catholic Church after the reunion.
It is such a blessing to have your witness here, especially one who has had so much experience with the Orthodox.

I just wanted to comment a little known fact about St. Hermann of Alaska. When his body was exhumed, it was discovered that he had various welts on his back due to self-discipline. It is strange to me that EO generally denigrate the penitential practices of the Latin Church, yet one of their greatest saints privately performed these same feats of holiness.

I also wanted to ask what sui juris Church you belong to. I am Coptic.

Abundant blessings,
Marduk
 
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