Orthodox Churches and Salvation

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My memory for inter-EO goings on is not great, but I seem to remember reading that he was disciplined for this, or was going to and was forgiven but told to never do such a thing ever again (depending on the news write up that you believe). Suffice it to say that no Orthodox person (bishop or non) can do such a thing without at least risking excommunication. I’ve been told in no uncertain terms that I cannot commune with the local EO in N. California just because there is no OO church there (even though that’s precisely why the local Tewahedo go to the EO churches there), and that if I were to do so, I would need to confess immediately and would not be readmitted to communion without an appropriate period of penance. Both communions calling themselves Orthodox do tend to take such things rather seriously…
As an RC we are not permitted to receive communion from EO, but exceptions have been made such as Italian priests receiving communion from EP Bartholomew. And I agree that we should be obedient to the current laws, both RC and EO.

I don’t believe that he was ever disciplined but the patriarch warned him about doing this without approval. The Romanian Orthodox bishop that allowed intercommunion somewhat recently, I believe, was forgiven by a synod.
 
My memory for inter-EO goings on is not great, but I seem to remember reading that he was disciplined for this, or was going to and was forgiven but told to never do such a thing ever again (depending on the news write up that you believe). Suffice it to say that no Orthodox person (bishop or non) can do such a thing without at least risking excommunication. I’ve been told in no uncertain terms that I cannot commune with the local EO in N. California just because there is no OO church there (even though that’s precisely why the local Tewahedo go to the EO churches there), and that if I were to do so, I would need to confess immediately and would not be readmitted to communion without an appropriate period of penance. Both communions calling themselves Orthodox do tend to take such things rather seriously…
There are such regulations even within Orthodox Churches? It would be terrible if someone accidentally went to the other Communion thinking they’re the same…
 
There are such regulations even within Orthodox Churches? It would be terrible if someone accidentally went to the other Communion thinking they’re the same…
Are you joking?
 
There are such regulations even within Orthodox Churches? It would be terrible if someone accidentally went to the other Communion thinking they’re the same…
He’s talking about the Oriental Orthodox vs. the Eastern Orthodox, not among the various Oriental Orthodox, or the various Eastern Orthodox. Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox are two different communions of churches. The Oriental Orthodox are non-Chalcedonian, the Eastern Orthodox are Chalcedonian.
 
You are absolutely correct. We have to know exactly where and how we disagree. Then I think we need to go back and study the biblical sources for our beliefs looking not just to see how we are right, but looking to see with an open mind anything we may have missed. With this kind of openness on both sides, maybe there are other components of the issue that shed new light. Maybe there are deeper levels of understanding. Maybe we find that our disagreements are not as fundamental as we always thought. I am not speaking of anything in particular. We both believe that the scriptures hold the truth, therefore, we should be able to both find the same truth. But we have to stop taking at each other, and stop taking past each other. Do you agree? 🙂
Definitely.
 
There are such regulations even within Orthodox Churches? It would be terrible if someone accidentally went to the other Communion thinking they’re the same…
That wouldn’t happen, though. For instance, the Tewahedo (Ethiopians/Eritreans) that I mentioned had to enter into an agreement with their own (OO) bishop and the EO counterpart bishop before they could commune at the local OCA and Bulgarian churches back home, since Tewahedo are not by confession Chalcedonians. It is a pastoral response to the reality of the situation (there is a healthy OO population, but no OO church around, only EO churches). You couldn’t sort of just “accidentally” wander into communion with the EO. I’m not going to try it, but I would guess if I went to the local OCA back there and tried to get communion without some sort of preexisting agreement like the Tewahedo have, Fr. Lawrence would ask me who I am and who my bishop is, and the minute I answered “Bishop Youssef of the Southern United States Diocese”, I would be respectfully told to sit down, as I cannot commune with them. The same would happen to EO or other Chalcedonians attempting to receive communion in our church in Albuquerque (though that is even less likely to happen, as there are many Chalcedonian churches there, but we are the only game in town for the non-Chalcedonians, so why would Chalcedonians even try? There’s no need, and anyway our priests have said in no uncertain terms that they will not commune Chalcedonians under any circumstances, nor let any of their flock commune with them, even though it has happened in the past with Copts communing at the local Greek Orthodox Church back in the early 1980s, before there was a Coptic Orthodox Church here; that was with, you guessed it, an agreement that included both the Coptic bishop and the Greek bishop, and once there was a Coptic community established here with its own priest, the agreement was void, since it was no longer necessary).
 
Yes, God can save any one hes wants, but he will only save those who follow Christ and do the will of his Father. But just saying he can save any body he wants didn’t answer the question of the OP.
Are you seriously saying that a pagan back in the 200’s A.D., deep in the heart of Africa/South America/Asia or wherever Christianity had not yet penetrated, who has had no chance to hear of Jesus, but who follows the urgings of his conscience and does what is right–are you saying this person cannot be saved and is condemned to eternal hellfire, because of the accident of the place or date of his birth?? Are we telling God who He can or cannot save? I would say that is His choice, not ours.
 
As we say in the Navy, belay my last… Ignore my previous post, as I hadn’t thoroughly perused your first post, bobby. My apologies, God bless us all.
 
This is completely contrary to everything that The Church has ever stood for. Paganism has no salvific qualities. Only Christ’s Church is salvific. But you are correct that The Church does not decide on who is saved and who is not.

Now as an answer to your question, The Church has always had the position that there is no salvation outside of The Church and that you must be in communion with The Pope. This doesn’t mean that every one who is not Catholic is not saved. Like the Native Americans before the 16th century. They fall under invincible ignorance. They will be judged according to how they lived according to Natural Law and the law that God has written on the hearts of all men because they had no way of knowing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ or his Church. As for non-Catholic Christians, we can always pray for their salvation. If they are saved, it is because of ignorance of something. Not invincible ignorance though, that is only reserved for those who cannot know about The Gospel and Church because of factors beyond their control.
Are you seriously saying that a pagan back in the 200’s A.D., deep in the heart of Africa/South America/Asia or wherever Christianity had not yet penetrated, who has had no chance to hear of Jesus, but who follows the urgings of his conscience and does what is right–are you saying this person cannot be saved and is condemned to eternal hellfire, because of the accident of the place or date of his birth?? Are we telling God who He can or cannot save? I would say that is His choice, not ours.
The Catholic Church teaches that that man can be saved
 
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