ORTHODOX-VATICAN - Bartholomew: With Francis, we invite all Christians to celebrate the first synod of Nicaea in 2025 [AN]

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Jesus did pray that we would all be one, and if anyone’s prayers will be answered, surely his would be. 😃

p.s. Thank you, by the way (I hope you know what I refer to).
Amen, Jesus said constantly a house divided will not stand. Plus Jesus in the entire chapter 17 speaks off us being 1.

God willing it happens
 
That is over T.E.N. Y.E.A.R.S away. Both men are already “elderly” and the idea that they would both be physically and mentally in good shape is questionable.

Also, sounds like the marking of an anniversary. Nothing more. Nothing.
 
2025? Why so long? The sound bite generation won’t stand for this 🙂
The year 2025 was chosen because this is not a new ecumenical council, but is merely a gathering to commemorate the “first truly ecumenical synod,” i.e., Nicaea I.
 
The year 2025 was chosen because this is not a new ecumenical council, but is merely a gathering to commemorate the “first truly ecumenical synod,” i.e., Nicaea I.
Exactly. It marks an anniversary. Nothing more. Nothing.
 
Who are you to say that it is nothing, only God can determine whether it will bear fruit?
Based on the official press releases.

It is to mark an anniversary. Nothing more.

To equate it with the the synod of Nicaea is to disregard the press release as is. It’s to mark the anniversary.

It is over 10 years away. That is an eternity in human terms
 
No that will never happen. The “first among equals” is a novel idea. There was never such a thing. Primacy entailed authority, how much of it is up for debate but never was there a “primacy of honor”. Papal infallibility and universal jurisdiction will never be given up. In fact I wonder how many know that during an apparition in South America, Mary (Our Lady of Good Success, Ecuador) in the 1600’s prophesied the proclamation of Papal infallibility two centuries before Vatican I (Which took place in the mid 1800s)

On, December 8, 1634, what is now the feast of the Immaculate Conception, three archangels and their Queen appeared to Mother Mariana. St. Gabriel was carrying a Ciborium filled with Hosts which Our Lady explained:

This holy Pope was Blessed Pius IX, who fulfilled every prediction made by Our Lady. His body, being exhumed for beatification in 2000, was found miraculously preserved in the tomb where it had lain for more than a century. His face still showed a striking serenity in death.

According to the prophecies of the saints, there will be reunification between the east and the west. However they all say that Russia will be the first to convert en masse. Note that they will become catholic according the the prophecies. Then later the Greeks will come back due to the holiness of this figure called the “Angelic Pope”. These are not prophecies like the wacky forgeries but real prophecies of real saints like Blessed Bartholomew, St Robert Bellarmine and many others. I will provide more quotes of such prophecies for anyone interested .

The first known prophecy of the pastor angelicus was quoted by the English polymath Roger Bacon in the 13th century:
I to would be interested Thanks
 
Along these lines, does anyone believe that the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, would be willing to accept the title of “First Among Equals” for the sake of reunification? Just asking.
always has. It’s just the meaning of that and the details of what the pope’s allowed and expected to do that Nicea III will need to deal with.
 
Based on the official press releases.

It is to mark an anniversary. Nothing more.

To equate it with the the synod of Nicaea is to disregard the press release as is. It’s to mark the anniversary.

It is over 10 years away. That is an eternity in human terms
Yes, it is to mark the anniversary of Nicea, but who are you to say that it is nothing?
 
The Orthodox Patriarch who accepts unity with the Pope under circumstances other than the repudiation of papal heresies and a return to the faith will be an Antichrist. The True Faith is protected by the people along with the hierarchy, and will prevail and remain as it did in Florence.
 
No that will never happen. T
According to the prophecies of the saints, there will be reunification between the east and the west. However they all say that Russia will be the first to convert en masse. Note that they will become catholic according the the prophecies. Then later the Greeks will come back due to the holiness of this figure called the “Angelic Pope”. These are not prophecies like the wacky forgeries but real prophecies of real saints like Blessed Bartholomew, St Robert Bellarmine and many others. I will provide more quotes of such prophecies for anyone interested .
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I am interested.
 
The Orthodox Patriarch who accepts unity with the Pope under circumstances other than the repudiation of papal heresies and a return to the faith will be an Antichrist. The True Faith is protected by the people along with the hierarchy, and will prevail and remain as it did in Florence.
It sounds to me or at least it seems that are against any reunion between Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I do not see any Papal heresies nor have I ever heard of any Papal heresy. me thinks you are misguided. I am just happy that you are not the Patriarch.
 
It sounds to me or at least it seems that are against any reunion between Orthodox and Catholic Churches. I do not see any Papal heresies nor have I ever heard of any Papal heresy. me thinks you are misguided. I am just happy that you are not the Patriarch.
Frankly, I’m glad I’m not the Patriarch as well. We aren’t in communion precisely because we believe the RCC teaches heresy. Until Rome repudiates her heresies we can’t even honestly say we hold the same faith. Were the Patriarch of Constantinople to accept unity with the RCC at this point the faithful ultimately won’t accept it. It’s also our job to protect and maintain the True Faith.
 
It sounds to me or at least it seems that are against any reunion between Orthodox and Catholic Churches.
You should be against it as well as long as there is not unity of faith. A reunion now would be a lie.
 
Who are you to say that it is nothing, only God can determine whether it will bear fruit?
It is only a celebration of the council of Nicaea though. It isn’t a council, especially not an ecumenical one. Maybe it will bear fruit, but lets not call it what it isn’t.
 
Me personally I don’t think that will happen. Peter was the leader, the apostles (bishops) were equal, but Peter had a bigger job and was the leader.

I could see the Vatican saying, the Pope is 1, and the Patriarch of Constantinople 2.
The Orthodox believe all bishops are successors of Peter.
 
It is only a celebration of the council of Nicaea though. It isn’t a council, especially not an ecumenical one. Maybe it will bear fruit, but lets not call it what it isn’t.
Did I ever call this celebration a council, no I didn’t!! I said that it isn’t justified to say that it is nothing. God bless!!
 
The Orthodox believe all bishops are successors of Peter.
So do Catholics, but the difference is that we developed a dogma that the Pope has authority over the entire church, not as a bishop of bishops, but as a center of unity.

Makes a lot of sense given the practicality of organizing a church spanning billions of people and thousands of cultures and hundreds of countries. The ecumenical patriarch understands this, the Russians fear centralized authority because it’s a threat to thier power.

My biggest issue with the EO is that they confuse spirituality and dogmas. For many of the EO, using unleavened bread or enforcing celibacy is a stumbling block. Nothing less than a nearly complete byzanification of the Roman Rite would suffice. basically, fundamentalism is more of a problem with the EO than with Catholics IMO.
 
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