Orthodox Website Says Praying To Saints Is Praying To Satan

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Here is the website for those who are curious: CAN THE DEVIL ANSWER PRAYERS ?
When we direct our prayers to any other being than God we are praying to the devil and the devil does answer prayers.

The devil is the god of this world. If he is a god, then he is an object of faith and worship. Satan is worshipped, directly or indirectly.

As a god, one cannot expect that he does not answer prayers. He will try to misdirect believers, leading them to pray in false ways. We see people praying to a deceased person who cannot hear or answer their prayer but the devil can both hear their prayer and answer their prayer. The devil wants to confirm the person in praying to the dead and make the person feel like they are able to contact the dead at will by praying to them. The devil can and does work miracles.

When the prayer is faithless and insincere, God will not answer but the devil well may answer the prayer. To many, prayer is a mere ritual. They repeat what has been written or what they have memorized believing that is prayer. There is no heart in it and that is why Scripture warns against vain repetition in prayer.

Emotional prayers can be answered by Satan. The one praying could experience powerful emotions, deep moving of the emotion. One can be a seemingly spirit filled Christian who has been zealous worker for Christ but Christ will eventually say to him/her, “I never knew you.” This means that Christ was not the one who answered those prayers for miracles. See Matthew 7:22-23.

He calls them “evildoers” but they were doing effective ministry for Christ. Something was wrong there! “In spite of their multitudinous prayers and dynamic Gospel Ministry, they are denied heaven.” Their prayer life which had seemed to them and others so blessed in spirit and even with miracles in Christ’s Name had been anointed by a spirit alien to Christ’s.

When prayer is said in expectation of a miracle, Satan will answer.

For example, the devil can take possession of a person, making him or her sick all the time. The person cries to God for help and Satan bends over him or her and impresses them with the need to go to certain Shrine or famous Basilica for healing.

She goes and while praying at the Shrine, Satan suddenly ceases to exercise his evil power—she is healed. It is loudly proclaimed that a miracle has been achieved. The healed person is overwhelmed with a sense of God’s blessing and power.

The testimony strengthens the ministry of the Shrine and hundreds flock there for healing. This is the devil’s way of answering such prayers.

Satan uses even miracles to build up his agents to greater usefulness for his kingdom. So, the devil can answer prayers and work miracles.

The devil promised Christ all the riches of the world if Jesus world worship him.

The devil could have made good on that promise. People sell their souls for much less.
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What do you guys think of this article? I thought Orthodox Christians also prayed to saints, so I was caught off guard when I found this article.
 
Interesting. It says their “autocephalous”, which means they don’t report to a bishop or have authority over them. Their belief on saints seems very Protestant from that article. Would the post be considered heresy, or just a matter of opinion?
 
Absolute garbage. It is an example of false teaching through self-interpretation. And they only list two verses as a source for one of their claims.

It all boils down to opinion and self-interpretation aimed at damaging the Church Jesus created.
 
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This is a noncanonical Orthodox sect and they are not a reliable guide to traditional, apostolic Christian faith and practice. They do not seem to have any connection whatsoever with the Ecumenical Patriarchate (Constantinople), and in fact seem more akin to Oriental Orthodoxy.

Celtic Orthodox Church - Wikipedia

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It would appear that this Orthodox Church is not really orthodox.

“Autocepalous”: appointing its own head, not subject to authority or an external patriarch or archbishop.

And so we have one more division. 'Nuf said.
 
One site claims the church was founded in A.D. 37 by Saint Joseph of Arimathea in Britain, in a location which is now called Glastonbury.
 
There’s more than one denomination that calls itself ‘orthodox’.
This article is wrong. God allows us to pray to the saints.
 
This church does not follow the beleive of all the other Orthodox in the world, so I would ignore them.
 
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What do you guys think of this article? I thought Orthodox Christians also prayed to saints, so I was caught off guard when I found this article.
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Well the faithful are gods of this world also, from the Catechism:
160 The Word became flesh to make us “partakers of the divine nature”:78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."80 "The only-begotten Son of God, wanting to make us sharers in his divinity, assumed our nature, so that he, made man, might make men gods."81
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It IS in scripture. Tobit 12. Revelation 5:8 and 8:3. There are other references as well. It IS in the catechism. Be illuminated.

How is praying to someone perfected and in God’s presence - asking them to intercede for you, sinful?

Christianity has been severely poisoned in the past 500 years - we see the fruits of this daily. The Lord did not leave us orphans.

Stick with Church teaching.
 
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Stick with Church teaching.
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I don’t really know Church teaching. I’m not Catholic, but I want to convert. I can only look at Scripture from a Messianic Jewish (Protestant) perspective. I was just saying that I wish someone was clearly shown praying to a saint in Scripture and it being okay with God.
Tobit 12.
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I don’t really know about Tobit. I’ve never read it. From a Protestant perspective it isn’t canon, and neither is it in Judaism.

This is according to chabad (https://www.chabad.org/library/arti...t-Is-the-Jewish-Approach-to-the-Apocrypha.htm)
The Apocrypha isn’t Divinely inspired, and is therefore not part of the canon, and some of its works are even antithetical to Judaism. Other works may indeed contain some valuable information, but they aren’t given any more credence than any other book, and be aware that there have been various additions and deletions made throughout the ages.
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po18guy said:
Revelation 5:8 and 8:3
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“And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.” (Revelation 5:8)

“Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God’s people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.” (Revelation 8:3)

I understand the argument that the angels and elders in heaven come into contact with our prayers, but that doesn’t show that anyone asked them for intercession, or that asking them for intercession is even allowed.
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How is praying to someone perfected and in God’s presence - asking them to intercede for you, sinful?
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I’m not really saying it’s sinful, I’m just saying I don’t have strong enough evidence that it’s okay, and I’m worried that if I do it, then maybe I am being deceived by demons afterall, and I don’t want any harsh penalty against me on the day of judgment for choosing to do something that everyone said was okay despite my conscience on it and lack of sufficient Scripture.
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Then read Second Maccabees and Revelation. It is there.
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Which parts?
 
  1. I would forget about looking for everything in the bible. It is a partial record, and good as it is, it only goes so far. That is why we have a Church.
  2. Remember that the Jewish authorities rejected Christ and it is believed that their “canon” was influenced by the rejection, to a greater or lesser degree.
  3. 80-90% of Old Testament citations in the New Testament are from the Seputuagint collection, to include the quoted sayings of Christ.
  4. Where does it say that God inspires man to write only in Hebrew? If that is so, much of the New Testament is also not inspired.
  5. Different groups within Judaism held to different scroll collections; thus different teachings. The Sadducees for one example.
  6. There are apocrypha, but those are not included in any bible as canon.
  7. The Deuterocaonical books were used by observant Jews since long before Christ - copied and re-copied over the centuries as the scrolls deteriorated. Those books have absolutely amazing content.
  8. The Orthodox have every book that the Catholics do - and a few more.
 
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Which parts?
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Every biblical verse posted tells you how saints and angels pray for us or about how we should pray for each other.

If you are looking for a specific bible verse that says specifically we should or can pray to saints, you wont find one. Praying to saints is something Catholic do with the blessing of their Pope? (I think I’m not sure who said it was okay). They also state there are two types of prayers. The ones for saints and Mary is different then the ones for God… but I can’t remember what the different prayers are called.

If you don’t feel comfortable praying to saints, then don’t… you don’t have too. Its is not a sin, not to pray to saints, angels or anyone other then God.

If you want to learn more about becoming Catholic, join a Catholic bible class, go to a RCIA class, speak to other Catholics, do not be afraid to ask the tough questions… and pray for God to guide. To fill you with the Holy Spirit so you can hear God’s will for you, and His church.

There are 5 Precepts to being a practicing Catholic. Father Mike Schmitz talks about them here.

What Constitutes a Practicing Catholic?
 
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This is an uncanonical schismatic group outside of the Orthodox Church and the quoted teaching is quite clearly at odds with the 2,000 year witness of Holy Tradition. Thus they have fallen not only into schism but also into heresy. May God bring them to repentance and illumination in the Orthodox-Catholic Faith.

Here is an article expressing the Orthodox veneration of the Saints from the OCA:

https://www.oca.org/fs/glorification-of-saints

We even have many wonderful American Orthodox Saints; especially beloved is St. Herman of Alaska:

http://ww1.antiochian.org/stherman

As a side note, liturgically our services are replete with references to Saints, asking their intercession and aid. Every service ends with a little litany said by the priest: “Through the prayers of Our Most Holy Lady the Theotokos and Ever-Virgin Mary, of Saint John the Forerunner and Baptist of the Lord, of the Holy Glorious, Right Victorious Martyrs, of Ss. Peter and Paul and all the Holy Apostles, of St. N, patron and protector of this Holy Community, of Ss. N (of the day), of Ss. Joachim and Anna and of all Thy Saints O Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy upon us and save us. Amen.”
 
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