Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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StTommyMore said:
I am sorry for your loss. Your suffering is nothing compared to what our Lord suffered. If we are called to emulate Him, then we must also forgo retribution.
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Judge not, yet you be judged. It is also against the forum rules. Talk about the issues, not other members.
 
gilliam said:
Judge not, yet you be judged. It is also against the forum rules. Talk about the issues, not other members.
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I have judged no one. Is it not charitable to encourage each other to a more Christ-like disposition. And besides, we are to judge rightly.
 
OrdinaryMelkite said:
I’ve heard and read of several people on the internet and tv saying it was pretty obvious that OBL was not living in a cave-----the man had half a kidney and needed dialysis; come on folks—and that they had advanced the theory that he was living in a compund somewhere for years-------so yes, I get what you are saying.
Yep, Pakistan is NOT our friend. They definitely have some explaining to do. Ultimately, we did not “press” them further (even though we knew way back that OBL was in Pakistan, not Afghanistan) because they were our “ally” in the war in terror.

What is going to be funny are the folks that are going to start saying “the war on terror is done—let’s go home.” NO WAY. We have only killed a manifestation of the evil; we have not killed the evil itself------we simply killed off the most well-known manifestation of the vile Muslim ideology that feeds Mideast hatred of us.

When we get to stop Muslims believing that the only way to bring in the Apocalpse is for them to wipe us and Israel off the face of the earth, THEN the war will be over. We still have a LOT of work to do.
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I just got off the phone from a conversation with two friends in Karachi. They tend not to want to talk about politics. One of them was visiting the US when Musharraf was having political problems. When I brought it up… he just shrugged it off, and said… “Oh Mooshie…” which is what they call him.Anyway, I ventured my opinion that I was surprised that OBL was in Islamabad, and not Syria or SA. The only thing I could get out of them was that the border with Afghanistan is very long, etc… Karachi is, where my friends are, is a very volatile place. They are expecting some sort of reaction. It is a city of 9 million people or so.I believe that if Pakistan ever goes down, we will be asking ourselves what we were wasting so much time in Afghanistan for.
 
StTommyMore said:
I have judged no one. Is it not charitable to encourage each other to a more Christ-like disposition. And besides, we are to judge rightly.
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Bin Laden was a murderer and actively plotting more mass killings. Somehow or another he had to be stopped. It would appear a just action to me from what I know. Bin Laden is now in front of God, it is God’s decision now.
 
gilliam said:
Bin Laden was a murderer and actively plotting more mass killings. Somehow or another he had to be stopped. It would appear a just action to me from what I know. Bin Laden is now in front of God, it is God’s decision now.
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I never said he should not have been killed. But he must still be treated with the dignity to be accorded all human persons. Their actions in life do not change the fact that he was created in the image of GOd, and therefore loved by Him.
 
hircus_muneris said:
I just got off the phone from a conversation with two friends in Karachi. They tend not to want to talk about politics. One of them was visiting the US when Musharraf was having political problems. When I brought it up… he just shrugged it off, and said… “Oh Mooshie…” which is what they call him.Anyway, I ventured my opinion that I was surprised that OBL was in Islamabad, and not Syria or SA. The only thing I could get out of them was that the border with Afghanistan is very long, etc… Karachi is, where my friends are, is a very volatile place. They are expecting some sort of reaction. It is a city of 9 million people or so.I believe that if Pakistan ever goes down, we will be asking ourselves what we were wasting so much time in Afghanistan for.
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Thanks for the note. It is interesting that bin Laden was so far into Pakistan. He actually was housed closer to India than Afghanistan. Not exactly what I would call the Afghanistan border.

I would expect some kind of reaction in Pakistan as well.
 
StTommyMore said:
I never said he should not have been killed. But he must still be treated with the dignity to be accorded all human persons. Their actions in life do not change the fact that he was created in the image of GOd, and therefore loved by Him.
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Burying him at sea is dignified and a lot better than many Iraqis would do with his body.

Make no mistake about it, bin Ladin did not take after the image of God, no matter how he was initially created. He made a choice to follow evil, and spent most of his adult life doing just that.
 
It is a day of hope and mercy for all of us but especially those who lost loved ones in the towers and the wars that followed.
 
StTommyMore said:
I never said he should not have been killed. But he must still be treated with the dignity to be accorded all human persons. Their actions in life do not change the fact that he was created in the image of GOd, and therefore loved by Him.
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I have only overflown the site of the former World Trade Center. But I have stood at a mass grave in Iraq and watched as people dug and sifted through the anonymous remains of hundred, or thousands of bodies, hoping for some sign of a loved one. I have stood on ground that was slippery with civilian blood from a bomb detonation. I have seen wounded children and orphans. I have seen more than this… If anyone deserves dignity, it is the victims of terrorists. In my secular life as a US Marine, it was my duty to eliminate threats to civilians. I don’t care if the threat is a US citizen, another nationality, a Christian, or a Muslim, blond hair of blue hair. If a person intentionally targets and kills civilians, and also destroys their property, in order to further a political or religious aim, or to make a “statement”, then the only dignity they deserve is to be hunted down and killed. I think that kill should be merciful and painless as possible under the circumstances.
 
Certainly this was a man whose evil deeds merited a sentence of death.

I don’t want to be Debbie Downer here, but I think we should heed the warning from the great classic, The Wizard of Oz. If you remember, Dorothy’s house kills the wicked witch, the Munchkins dance and sing “Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead”, and in the next scene there is another wicked witch. Good will triumph in the end, but it is never as easy as the death of one wicked person.
 
We must pray for his soul. We must love our enemies. I don’t think people should celebrate as if this is some sort of wonderful victory. There is no victory until we have peace. It was the right thing to do, but that doesn’t mean it should bring us joy.
 
hircus_muneris said:
I just got off the phone from a conversation with two friends in Karachi. They tend not to want to talk about politics. One of them was visiting the US when Musharraf was having political problems. When I brought it up… he just shrugged it off, and said… “Oh Mooshie…” which is what they call him.Anyway, I ventured my opinion that I was surprised that OBL was in Islamabad, and not Syria or SA. The only thing I could get out of them was that the border with Afghanistan is very long, etc… Karachi is, where my friends are, is a very volatile place. They are expecting some sort of reaction. It is a city of 9 million people or so.I believe that if Pakistan ever goes down, we will be asking ourselves what we were wasting so much time in Afghanistan for.
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Your friends sound like they “knew” some stuff and did not want to 'know" more…:rolleyes:

Personally, I feel that OBL was originally in Afghanistan but moved to somewhere where he could get medical help-------hence the compound in Pakistan. Absolutely, Pakistan has a lot to answer for.
Absolutely.

I was talking to my mother about an hour ago and she stated------“Obama’s going to use this to win next year’s election for sure.” Neither of us are planning on voting for him anyway----just stating this as a possible fact. :rolleyes:
 
hircus_muneris said:
If a person intentionally targets and kills civilians, and also destroys their property, in order to further a political or religious aim, or to make a “statement”, then the only dignity they deserve is to be hunted down and killed. I think that kill should be merciful and painless as possible under the circumstances.
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This I can agree with, but I wish officials in the government quit saying “Justice is done”. Little of this has anything to do with the American system of justice and it should not be presented to the world as such.

The killing of UBL (when did it change from OBL?) was an extension of the war on terror (even if the govenment doesn’t like those words) and should be presented as such. I know the last thing this president and probably the rest of the goverment wanted was OBL in chains in New York or Gitmo and a “trial”.
 
hircus_muneris said:
I have only overflown the site of the former World Trade Center. But I have stood at a mass grave in Iraq and watched as people dug and sifted through the anonymous remains of hundred, or thousands of bodies, hoping for some sign of a loved one. I have stood on ground that was slippery with civilian blood from a bomb detonation. I have seen wounded children and orphans. I have seen more than this… If anyone deserves dignity, it is the victims of terrorists. In my secular life as a US Marine, it was my duty to eliminate threats to civilians. I don’t care if the threat is a US citizen, another nationality, a Christian, or a Muslim, blond hair of blue hair. If a person intentionally targets and kills civilians, and also destroys their property, in order to further a political or religious aim, or to make a “statement”, then the only dignity they deserve is to be hunted down and killed. I think that kill should be merciful and painless as possible under the circumstances.
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We should pray for him. Even if he is not in purgatory (I should be shocked if he is, but we should not judge another’s soul) we should still pray, as no prayer is wasted. Truthfully I am not sure if I could bring myself to do it, but we are to pray for our enemies.
 
Its about time. I know its a bad thing to say, and I should pray for my enemies like Jesus said but I cannot pray for this man’s soul who ordered a group of men to cause a lot of deaths on my country’s soil on September 11, 2001, and also have done other things to cause death & injuries in other nations over the years.

I do pray for the several thousand innocent of my fellow Americans and those of other nationalities who were killed that dark September day in New York City, Washington DC and the farmlands of Pennsylvania. May they rest in peace, and let perpetual light shine up on them.
 
bellasbane said:
We must pray for his soul. We must love our enemies. I don’t think people should celebrate as if this is some sort of wonderful victory. There is no victory until we have peace. It was the right thing to do, but that doesn’t mean it should bring us joy.
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I mostly agree with this-----but what can you do? The folks all over the US celebrating this are basically showing off their frustration and also pride in their country. I DO agree it was overdone. And slightly embarassing. But hey, like you youself said, it was the right thing to do.
And I will pray for him anyway.
Good post.
 
The following might be the most unpopular statement made today, but I’m going to say it anyway.

This is Obama’s chance; the best one he’ll ever have, to declare 'mission accomplished" and get us the H–L out of Afghanistan. And that’s exactly what he ought to do. Sometimes a fig leaf is the only covering available.
 
i know I’m super late to this thread but we need to pray for the soul of Osama Bin Laden. That God in his infinite mercy. will have mercy on Osama’s soul. There is not one person alive that we as Catholics shouldn’t pray for their salvation after death. So lets pray for Osama.

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 5:44[/BIBLEDRB]
 
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