Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

[bellasbane]

You say people should express grief and sorrow, should they do so even if they don’t feel it?

Maybe they will start feeling it when Al Qaeda strikes back with terrorist attacks.

Look at the big picture. We haven’t won anything - we just took one man out and in doing so probably ignited the whole network. The bravest among us will shout “Bring them on!”, I will support that, but I also know good people will die in the process, and thus feel sorrow and grief.

 

[SamH]

I would question why one wouldn’t feel it, when in all likelihood that person is not now, nor will they ever experience the beatific vision. That is a suffering that is immeasurable. Should we not feel sorrow at the loss of a soul?

So what do you question?

 

[Trader]

Pray for him if you like. I will be praying for my best friend. We signed up together on the “buddy system”. Trained and deployed together. I watched his face as he bled out and I tried to stop the blood loss. Bin Laden is on his own, wherever he is, in my little world.

O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of hell, and lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy.

Until this Friday, maybe this person was Bin Laden, maybe me, maybe you.

Please continue to pray, just in case. God will decide who needs that prayer better than either of us.

 

[iamrefreshed]

If you don’t want to pray for him, don’t pray for him. Why do you have to keep trying to justify yourself? I am of the belief that we pray for the dead.

I’m not justifying anything. I’m just responding to a poster who said I MUST pray for him.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Maybe they will start feeling it when Al Qaeda strikes back with terrorist attacks.

We should never let the fear of reprisal keep us from confronting Evil.

“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

Edmond Burk

 

[surfinpure]

I would question why one wouldn’t feel it, when in all likelihood that person is not now, nor will they ever experience the beatific vision. That is a suffering that is immeasurable. Should we not feel sorrow at the loss of a soul?

 

[MrsFergie09]

Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked

Great conflict comes with this death. The vengeful American heart wants to rejoice, but the Catholic in me is filled with sorrow that a life has been taken and a soul will spend an eternity in the torments of hell.

I say this because we are taught that only God can create life. Even if Satan is able to steal that soul he doesn’t have the power to create a life. Every life, even those infected by evil, were created by God and in his image and only God has the right to take the life He created from us.

DO NOT get me wrong, I thank God that no more innocent lives will be taken at the hands of an evil man. My heart goes out to the families of Bin Laden’s victims, as they now have to relive the horror they have been made to suffer. My prayers and gratitude goes out to any member of any military that are laying down their lives to protect ours…

However celebrating the taking of any life created by God, no matter now good or evil, goes against everything we belive.

 

[vz71]

Did the Allies add fuel to the fire by storming Hitler’s bunker?

No, but how many opportunities to kill him did the allies have but didn’t because he was doing such a great job leading his armies to defeat.

It remains to be seen if this will fuel the fires or not.
I suspect not, but am surprised on an ongoing basis.

 

[onthenarrowpath]

I think if there had been any way to bring him in alive, it would have been done.

**I cannot ask God for mercy on his soul. ** His God told him to kill anyone who doesn’t believe in Allah, and he was directly responsible for 9/11. It may be a failure on my part, but I hope he gets everything he deserves in the afterlife.

I have to admit I also find it hard to ask God to have mercy on his soul. Instead, my position is “God, this man’s soul is in your hands. You will determine his fate, not I or anyone else.” We as humans are flawed in our capacity to love and extend mercy, or even judge whether anyone should be shown mercy after death. But should it come about that the Lord grants him mercy, it would not be for us to challenge that or express disapproval.

 

[SamH]

Originally Posted by TheRealJuliane
I think if there had been any way to bring him in alive, it would have been done.

Hardly. The president of the United States ordered him killed.

Reuters) - The U.S. special forces team that hunted down Osama bin Laden was under orders to kill the al Qaeda mastermind, not capture him, a U.S. national security official told Reuters.

“This was a kill operation,” the official said, making clear there was no desire to try to capture bin Laden alive in Pakistan.

reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502

 

[Anna_Scott]

I would question why one wouldn’t feel it, when in all likelihood that person is not now, nor will they ever experience the beatific vision. That is a suffering that is immeasurable. Should we not feel sorrow at the loss of a soul?

StTommyMore,
I’m glad Bin Laden was found; but I just don’t know where all the violence will end. Maybe it will not end,’ until our Lord returns. I feel a somber sadness. I pray for the protection of our troops around the world, our allies, and our country.

As for your comment, surely the loss of any soul would grieve our Lord.

The President is speaking now.

Anna

 

[livnlern]

I would question why one wouldn’t feel it, when in all likelihood that person is not now, nor will they ever experience the beatific vision. That is a suffering that is immeasurable. Should we not feel sorrow at the loss of a soul?

How about all the souls that Bin Laden has led astray? How many people have been infected by his hatred for Americans and other Western people? Aren’t their souls at risk?
And what about all those who died in 9/11 who weren’t given the chance to set things right within their lives? How many of those souls will spend more time in Purgatory because Bin Laden and his followers decided their time was finished?

 

[seekerz]

Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked

Great conflict comes with this death. The vengeful American heart wants to rejoice, but the Catholic in me is filled with sorrow that a life has been taken and a soul will spend an eternity in the torments of hell.

I say this because we are taught that only God can create life. Even if Satan is able to steal that soul he doesn’t have the power to create a life. Every life, even those infected by evil, were created by God and in his image and only God has the right to take the life He created from us.

DO NOT get me wrong, I thank God that no more innocent lives will be taken at the hands of an evil man. My heart goes out to the families of Bin Laden’s victims, as they now have to relive the horror they have been made to suffer. My prayers and gratitude goes out to any member of any military that are laying down their lives to protect ours…

However celebrating the taking of any life created by God, no matter now good or evil, goes against everything we belive.

I think that pretty much sums it up for many people…this is a time for real reflection and prayer.

 

[_L]

This occasion brings 2 Bible passages to mind:

Matthew 5:43-45

[43] You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thy enemy. [44] But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you: [45] That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust.

It is easy to be a Christian when we only have to follow the sayings of Jesus that are easy, it is hard to be a Christian when we are called to follow the hard sayings as well. We are called to love Bin Laden, and I pray that God may have mercy on him. Jesus died on the cross for everyone including Bin Laden. The sun rose and set for us as well as him, and it rained on us as well as him, God loved him to death, and we can only hope and pray that he repented and that God had mercy on him.

Secondly, I am truly dismayed by all the celebrating that I am seeing by friends and acquaintances over this, even by those who are Christian. For those that believe he is in hell and celebrate that notion not realize that when they celebrate, they celebrate along side every fallen angel who rejoices in the damnation of every person? This attitude I am seeing immediately brought to mind the parable of the unforgiving servant.

Matthew 18:23-35

[23] Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened to a king, who would take an account of his servants. [24] And when he had begun to take the account, one was brought to him, that owed him ten thousand talents. [25] And as he had not wherewith to pay it, his lord commanded that he should be sold, and his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made.[26] But that servant falling down, besought him, saying: Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. [27] And the lord of that servant being moved with pity, let him go and forgave him the debt. [28] But when that servant was gone out, he found one of his fellow servants that owed him an hundred pence: and laying hold of him, throttled him, saying: Pay what thou owest. [29] And his fellow servant falling down, besought him, saying: Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. [30] And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he paid the debt.[31] Now his fellow servants seeing what was done, were very much grieved, and they came and told their lord all that was done. [32] Then his lord called him; and said to him: Thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all the debt, because thou besoughtest me: [33] Shouldst not thou then have had compassion also on thy fellow servant, even as I had compassion on thee? [34] And his lord being angry, delivered him to the torturers until he paid all the debt. [35] So also shall my heavenly Father do to you, if you forgive not every one his brother from your hearts.

When we go to God and have our sins forgiven, we are called to extend that love and forgiveness to everyone else, because how can we dare ask God for forgiveness when we ourselves will not forgive those who sin against us? If God has forgiven us, then we must too forgive Bin Laden and pray for his soul.

 

[MrsFergie09]

It is easy to be a Christian when we only have to follow the sayings of Jesus that are easy, it is hard to be a Christian when we are called to follow the hard sayings as well. We are called to love Bin Laden, and I pray that God may have mercy on him. Jesus died on the cross for everyone including Bin Laden. The sun rose and set for us as well as him, and it rained on us as well as him, God loved him to death, and we can only hope and pray that he repented and that God had mercy on him.
.

I am getting a LOT of grief from friends and family because I am not posting “yay he’s dead” everywhere and I am making it known that I am praying for his soul… this is perfect. thank you

 

[mcrow]

The Catholic part of me says that we shouldn’t kill. Perhaps in self defence is the only appropriate reason to kill. Bin Laden was given the chance to surrender and chose to fight and forced the Navy Seals to kill him. I find nothing wrong with them killing him after he refused surrender.

Bin Laden was out there actively trying find ways to kill more people, particlarly Jews and Christians. This is a death for the greater good. If we can prevent further deaths by capturing him and then when facing capture he refuses to surrender and dies there after, I can find nothing wrong.

 

[Anna_Scott]

StTommyMore,
I’m glad Bin Laden was found; but I just don’t know where all the violence will end. Maybe it will not end,’ until our Lord returns. I feel a somber sadness. I pray for the protection of our troops around the world, our allies, and our country.

As for your comment, surely the loss of any soul would grieve our Lord.

The President is speaking now.

Anna

Ezekiel 33:11 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked

Great conflict comes with this death. The vengeful American heart wants to rejoice, but the Catholic in me is filled with sorrow that a life has been taken and a soul will spend an eternity in the torments of hell.

I say this because we are taught that only God can create life. Even if Satan is able to steal that soul he doesn’t have the power to create a life. Every life, even those infected by evil, were created by God and in his image and only God has the right to take the life He created from us.

DO NOT get me wrong, I thank God that no more innocent lives will be taken at the hands of an evil man. My heart goes out to the families of Bin Laden’s victims, as they now have to relive the horror they have been made to suffer. My prayers and gratitude goes out to any member of any military that are laying down their lives to protect ours…

However celebrating the taking of any life created by God, no matter now good or evil, goes against everything we belive.

MrsFergie09;7825746,

I wouldn’t go to the streets to celebrate the death of anyone either, no matter how evil the person was. As I said in my previous post, surely the loss of any soul would grieve our Lord.

People keep saying it’s finally over. I don’t think it’s over. We just made Bin Laden a “martyr.”

Praying for peace,
Anna

 

[qui_est_ce]

Good to know Americans treated OBL with dignity:

Religious rites were conducted on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier at about 1:10 a.m. Monday in the Persian Gulf.

In accordance with Islamic practice, bin Laden was washed and wrapped in a white sheet before buried at sea at 2 a.m. local time, senior U.S. military and intelligence officials said.

Read more: foxnews.com/world/2011/05/02/bin-laden-given-religious-funeral-prior-sea-burial/#ixzz1LDO24mMn

 

[hircus_muneris]

This occasion brings 2 Bible passages to mind:

Matthew 5:43-45

[43] You have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thy enemy. [44] But I say to you, Love your enemies: do good to them that hate you: and pray for them that persecute and calumniate you: [45] That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven, who maketh his sun to rise upon the good, and bad, and raineth upon the just and the unjust.

It is easy to be a Christian when we only have to follow the sayings of Jesus that are easy, it is hard to be a Christian when we are called to follow the hard sayings as well. We are called to love Bin Laden, and I pray that God may have mercy on him. Jesus died on the cross for everyone including Bin Laden. The sun rose and set for us as well as him, and it rained on us as well as him, God loved him to death, and we can only hope and pray that he repented and that God had mercy on him.

Secondly, I am truly dismayed by all the celebrating that I am seeing by friends and acquaintances over this, even by those who are Christian. For those that believe he is in hell and celebrate that notion not realize that when they celebrate, they celebrate along side every fallen angel who rejoices in the damnation of every person? This attitude I am seeing immediately brought to mind the parable of the unforgiving servant.

Matthew 18:23-35

[23] Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened to a king, who would take an account of his servants. [24] And when he had begun to take the account, one was brought to him, that owed him ten thousand talents. [25] And as he had not wherewith to pay it, his lord commanded that he should be sold, and his wife and children and all that he had, and payment to be made.[26] But that servant falling down, besought him, saying: Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. [27] And the lord of that servant being moved with pity, let him go and forgave him the debt. [28] But when that servant was gone out, he found one of his fellow servants that owed him an hundred pence: and laying hold of him, throttled him, saying: Pay what thou owest. [29] And his fellow servant falling down, besought him, saying: Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. [30] And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he paid the debt.[31] Now his fellow servants seeing what was done, were very much grieved, and they came and told their lord all that was done. [32] Then his lord called him; and said to him: Thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all the debt, because thou besoughtest me: [33] Shouldst not thou then have had compassion also on thy fellow servant, even as I had compassion on thee? [34] And his lord being angry, delivered him to the torturers until he paid all the debt. [35] So also shall my heavenly Father do to you, if you forgive not every one his brother from your hearts.

When we go to God and have our sins forgiven, we are called to extend that love and forgiveness to everyone else, because how can we dare ask God for forgiveness when we ourselves will not forgive those who sin against us? If God has forgiven us, then we must too forgive Bin Laden and pray for his soul.

I felt a great sense of relief, which surprised me. Now I am sad because I am remembering many losses which all started with 9/11. I remember the first day of the invasion of Iraq like it was yesterday. It happened also to be my 20th birthday. I had no idea what lay ahead of me. The events of the succeeding few years affected me profoundly, and in many ways. It brought me back to God, and the personal price for that was very high. Those events inspired me to become a physician, which I am in medical school for now. If not for Bin Laden, I would be in a very different place in my life.

 

[Big_Ro]

All the reports I’m reading say that capture was never a consioderation of the actual mssion. It was considered but rejected. The plan was to kill OBL. He was apparently identified on the scene by his Yemini wife as well as by sophisticated face recognition software in real time. Additionally, DNA samples were taken and compared to sample taken from his sister who died of either brain cancer something like that in Boston a couple three years ago. Pretty gruesome. I’m curious why they didn’t attempt to capture him or at least claim that they tried but were forced to shoot him in the firefight. I’m also surprised that they were able to get test results so fast. He was buried at sea in accordance with Islamic traditions. This is according to reports from several news agencies.