Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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The CIA had Bin Laden at Tora Bora years ago. Top level CIA guys tried to get Bush’s approval for some Rangers to go in and take him out…approval was denied. Today, Obama was asked what he thought about going into Pakistan after OBL, Obama gave an enthusiastic go-ahead…result? OBL is dead. Which president led? Pretty obvious…:)👍 Obama has been very aggressive on the war on terror. He just hasn’t worn it on his sleeve as his one issue and glory-hounded it like others have…
Cheap political points.

“*Just saw Bin Laden’s dead. Probably going to try and score some political points.” *

bbarrick, you certainly called that one.
 
Actually, Bin Laden was standing up for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children that died due to the sanctions imposed on Iraq which was finalized with carpet bombing the country. Bin Laden was standing up for the Palestinians and against the puppet government placed in the region by the United States (e.g. Egypt and Saudi Arabia) to control the region to ultimately give the land to Israel.

On these videos they are talking about real human children and human beings that as such are worthy of our compassion.
youtube.com/watch?v=2irN1G5HiRo
youtube.com/watch?v=2irN1G5HiRo

If Americans Only Knew
youtube.com/watch?v=ynWjYHP91gA

The land has been contaminated with depleted uranium and now the children are born with defects.

bin Laden’s 'letter to America:



(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.

a) You attacked us in Palestine:

(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.

(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.

When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.

(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.

(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.

(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;

(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.

(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.

(iii) These governments steal our Ummah’s wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.

(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.

(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.

(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.

(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.

(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.
guardian.co.uk/world/2002/nov/24/theobserver

I guess it was not enough to kill three thousand Afghanistan men several months after 9/11 by asphyxiating them in containers - which reminded me of Auschwitz.

We are talking about human beings, I do not believe in justice (?) for ME but for ALL.
That’s lovely and all. But you sound like a supporter of al’qaeda. In my opinion, judging from the crimes of Islam, which far exceed anything done by Christians, they deserve what they get. It’s a well-earned justice.

-MontChevalier
 
The CIA had Bin Laden at Tora Bora years ago. Top level CIA guys tried to get Bush’s approval for some Rangers to go in and take him out…approval was denied. Today, Obama was asked what he thought about going into Pakistan after OBL, Obama gave an enthusiastic go-ahead…result? OBL is dead. Which president led? Pretty obvious…:)👍 Obama has been very aggressive on the war on terror. He just hasn’t worn it on his sleeve as his one issue and glory-hounded it like others have…
Clinton could have got him even before 09/11 happened if you really want to get into that game.

Your political bias is showing.
 
I’m not getting into a game and never sought to hide my bias. I don’t trust the GOP. I’ve made that clear. 🙂 And I blame Bush for letting him go at Tora Bora. I’m glad Obama had the sense to go after him and trust his men in the field, a sign of leadership…
Clinton could have got him even before 09/11 happened if you really want to get into that game.

Your political bias is showing.
 
Clinton could have got him even before 09/11 happened if you really want to get into that game.

Your political bias is showing.
Agreed…think that at least for a day or so, we could all throw party politics out the window. Bush started the search, it was completed under Obama, but AMERICA won the fight…
 
He is the President. He carries the blame for the economy and every other bad thing that happens. Why should he not enjoy tonight? Let us not begrudge him this.
 
How is it a political point? Who ordered the mission, Ishii? If it had been Bush, we’d give him credit, right? I would’ve. I give Bush credit for capturning Saddam. I’m sure you do as well. But Bush dropped the ball with OBL. Obama didn’t. Not politics. Just historically a fact. 😉 Problem is, for those folks who try to make that case that the GOP is so tough on terrorism and hardcore protectors of America while Democrats are painted as wimps without the stomach to fight, this flies in the face of the conservative attempts to stereotype. I’m glad we caught this guy! Not for political reasons though. I wished Bush would’ve caught him years ago!
Cheap political points.

“*Just saw Bin Laden’s dead. Probably going to try and score some political points.” *

bbarrick, you certainly called that one.
 
True. Some want to just assign him the ‘bad’ credit…it’s inconsistency and upsetting to the haters…🙂
He is the President. He carries the blame for the economy and every other bad thing that happens. Why should he not enjoy tonight? Let us not begrudge him this.
 
Matthew 5:43

Did Osama meet a just end? It seems likely, but it seems contrary to scripture to celebrate his death. I believe it is more appropriate to celebrate the end to the terror this man caused, and pray for his soul.
I totally agree with you, Whitacre_Girl.

I am not in any way shape or form sad the SOB is dead, but I’m not glad and overjoyed, either.

This brings back memories of that day ten years ago----the hatred, the anger, etc. Right now, I don’t fell that, though. I’m glad the SOB will not get to hurt and kill any more people anymore, but at the same time, the War on Terror is not over, and we still have a long way to go.

Ultimately, his fate is now in the hands of God. I have a feeling it will not go down well. But I will still pray for his soul.
The way he died still does not do justice to the thousands of people he killed---------the things that he died deserved something more "hurtful."I would rather be a candlelight vigil for this guy’s victims-----but again, I DO agree this is a happy day in sense for our brave men and women.
May God have mercy on his soul.
 
How is it a political point? Who ordered the mission, Ishii? If it had been Bush, we’d give him credit, right? I would’ve. I give Bush credit for capturning Saddam. I’m sure you do as well. But Bush dropped the ball with OBL. Obama didn’t. Not politics. Just historically a fact. 😉 Problem is, for those folks who try to make that case that the GOP is so tough on terrorism and hardcore protectors of America while Democrats are painted as wimps without the stomach to fight, this flies in the face of the conservative attempts to stereotype. I’m glad we caught this guy! Not for political reasons though. I wished Bush would’ve caught him years ago!
It is a political point in this way, gurneyhalleck: Obama is killed and you use it as an opportunity to bash Bush, whom you admittedly disagree vehemently with. If you had merely said, “good job to commander in chief Obama” I would probably have let your comment go, but I’m guessing you couldn’t resist exploiting this event for cheap political points in a most inappropriate way. On a day in which we should all be celebrating the successful meting out of justice, you have chosen to bash Bush.

Ishii
 
I totally agree with you, Whitacre_Girl.

I am not in any way shape or form sad the SOB is dead, but I’m not glad and overjoyed, either.

This brings back memories of that day ten years ago----the hatred, the anger, etc. Right now, I don’t fell that, though. I’m glad the SOB will not get to hurt and kill any more people anymore, but at the same time, the War on Terror is not over, and we still have a long way to go.

Ultimately, his fate is now in the hands of God. I have a feeling it will not go down well. But I will still pray for his soul.
The way he died still does not do justice to the thousands of people he killed---------the things that he died deserved something more "hurtful."I would rather be a candlelight vigil for this guy’s victims-----but again, I DO agree this is a happy day in sense for our brave men and women.
May God have mercy on his soul.
I am a former Marine. I went to Afghanistan once and to Iraq twice. I have had my own share of issues to deal with since then. I am surprised by my reaction to this news. Frankly, I had all but forgotten about him. Now, with this news I feel right now as I type this as if a great burden is being lifted from me. I will have to sort through this contemplatively, but I think it is justification or closure on some things for me. I doubt I am the only one feeling this, as I reflect on it. His death is symbolic. He personified evil in some ways. This will sound un-Christian, and I am sure that it is, but I am happy that he was gunned down and felt some measure of the terror he has inflicted. I would be disappointed to read that he died peacefully in his sleep. I know it is wrong to think that, but that is how I feel. I have some anger to work through, obviously.
 
I doubt I am the only one feeling this, as I reflect on it.
No, you are not. I have had a couple of people tell me the same thing tonight already. On was in Iraq, the other was in Afghanistan and was on the ground hunting him a few years back.
 
He is the President. He carries the blame for the economy and every other bad thing that happens. Why should he not enjoy tonight? Let us not begrudge him this.
How is it a political point? Who ordered the mission, Ishii? If it had been Bush, we’d give him credit, right? I would’ve. I give Bush credit for capturning Saddam. I’m sure you do as well. But Bush dropped the ball with OBL. Obama didn’t. Not politics. Just historically a fact. 😉 Problem is, for those folks who try to make that case that the GOP is so tough on terrorism and hardcore protectors of America while Democrats are painted as wimps without the stomach to fight, this flies in the face of the conservative attempts to stereotype. I’m glad we caught this guy! Not for political reasons though. I wished Bush would’ve caught him years ago!
Is Obama in the military? Did he find the intelligence that Osama was in the compound? If you think anybody deserves cheer if you like, it should be the military.
 
Is Obama in the military? Did he find the intelligence that Osama was in the compound? If you think anybody deserves cheer if you like, it should be the military.
No, the President of the United States is not in the military. Our Constitution says that the President acts as Commander-in-Chief of the military so that they are always under control of an elected civilian leader. Here is a link if you need.
constitution.org/constit_.htm

I think the military does deserve a huge congratulations for its perserverance. That is another point. Putting the two together presents a false dichotomy. It is like saying that we have to either congratulate the military or remember the fallen in 9-11. ON thing has nothing to do with the other. I just hate to see this turn into a political issue when it is not. Let the C-in-C do his job. Until he tries to politicize it, he shouldn’t be castigate just because he is acting in his constitutional role.
 
That’s lovely and all. But you sound like a supporter of al’qaeda. In my opinion, judging from the crimes of Islam, which far exceed anything done by Christians, they deserve what they get. It’s a well-earned justice.

-MontChevalier
I think terrorism is as Blessed John Paul the Great put it: is a crime against humanity. I do not support terrorism, but, I do not support it - period. I do not support it for ANY country. I was devastated when out of the blue I decided to put on CNN and within seconds the news of the attack came on. I was shocked and heart broken - my world had changed in minutes. But, I was also heart broken when I saw the news on CNN that the United States bombed a Red Cross tent in Bagdad with over 200 women and children. When Bush was questioned he said that they just wanted to make sure Sadam Hussein was not hiding there thinking that we would not bomb it. I have been also shocked to hear that the U.S. has been violating human rights and torturing people. I was raised to think that that was non-American.

I think Bin Laden was supporting and defending the victims of the new plan with the middle east. Unfortunately, he did not have the power, country nor the military to do so. He did it the way the CIA taught him which makes it a crime against humanity. It is not a crime to attack the government that is causing the death of 1.5 million children etc., etc., etc., but it is a crime the way he went about it.

I pray for peace for all nations. I suppose you can all go ahead and continue your celebration. I will pray a chaplet of Divine Mercy for Peace.

Abba

P.s. Excuse me for typing beautification instead of beatification.

After I got over the pain and the shock of 9/11 where actually my little brother served and lost some of his buddies; I realized that I could no longer go to Windows of the World.
 
I am a former Marine. I went to Afghanistan once and to Iraq twice. I have had my own share of issues to deal with since then. I am surprised by my reaction to this news. Frankly, I had all but forgotten about him. Now, with this news I feel right now as I type this as if a great burden is being lifted from me. I will have to sort through this contemplatively, but I think it is justification or closure on some things for me. I doubt I am the only one feeling this, as I reflect on it. His death is symbolic. He personified evil in some ways. This will sound un-Christian, and I am sure that it is, but I am happy that he was gunned down and felt some measure of the terror he has inflicted. I would be disappointed to read that he died peacefully in his sleep. I know it is wrong to think that, but that is how I feel. I have some anger to work through, obviously.
Believe it or not, Hircus, I totally understand. Just like I understand the massive celebration outside of the White House and in Times Square. Don’t really condone it, but I totally understand it. The American people need to get this off their chest, ultimately. It has been nine years of pent up anger, ultimately.

I also, believe it or not, agree with the burial at sea. if we buried him over here it would turn his place into a shrine and/or some “real american” would try to dig up the body and desecrate it/tear it apart. Even I do not agree with that.
Let his body be fish food. Game over.

But I must say, the cheering and hollering was a bit much. We are better than that, even if the SOB did not deserve dignity. But yeah, I DO at least understand.
 
I think terrorism is as Blessed John Paul the Great put it: is a crime against humanity. I do not support terrorism, but, I do not support it - period. I do not support it for ANY country. I was devastated when out of the blue I decided to put on CNN and within seconds the news of the attack came on. I was shocked and heart broken - my world had changed in minutes. But, I was also heart broken when I saw the news on CNN that the United States bombed a Red Cross tent in Bagdad with over 200 women and children. When Bush was questioned he said that they just wanted to make sure Sadam Hussein was not hiding there thinking that we would not bomb it. I have been also shocked to hear that the U.S. has been violating human rights and torturing people. I was raised to think that that was non-American.

I think Bin Laden was supporting and defending the victims of the new plan with the middle east. Unfortunately, he did not have the power, country nor the military to do so. He did it the way the CIA taught him which makes it a crime against humanity. It is not a crime to attack the government that is causing the death of 1.5 million children etc., etc., etc., but it is a crime the way he went about it.

I pray for peace for all nations. I suppose you can all go ahead and continue your celebration. I will pray a chaplet of Divine Mercy for Peace.

Abba

P.s. Excuse me for typing beautification instead of beatification.

After I got over the pain and the shock of 9/11 where actually my little brother served and lost some of his buddies; I realized that I could no longer go to Windows of the World.
Even though I’m not into the “happy” vibe right now about this (and surprisingly, I will pray for his almost-certain-to-be-damned-soul), I have to say----------

I don’t care what we have or we have not done to other countries---------there is NO EXCUSE for what happened ten years ago. None.

Typical moral relativism from people who have fallen for the line that the US is an imperialistic monster out to take over the world. Have we done regrettable, even immoral and evil things at times, absolutely. Does that condone what happened almost ten years ago? Absolutely not.
Please get off it--------------seriously. :rolleyes:🤷
 
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