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SamH
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Just a few weeks ago I remember Jesus not forgiving a man for his sins and even going so far as say he was damned and it would be better had he never been born.
Matthew 26:24
Matthew 26:24
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BlsdBGd
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Only Jesus shed His Blood for the redemption of souls. Only Jesus is B Laden’s Judge. For those who rejoice over B Laden’s murder, do you want him to be in hell? Divine Mercy is unconditional love for souls, especially for those in most need of mercy - including B Laden’s -
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Catholicpotato
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I rejoice in him no longer being able to kill and having to answer for his actions. I am saddened by the reality of him doing what he did. I really dont care where he is as long as he isnt here. but I wouldnt be looking for his cannonization anytyime soon:thumbsup:
It is a great day for the world and that is something to give thanks for. Many people are comforted and some live have probably been saved. I thank our president (whom I do not like) for this American and human victory.
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famdigy
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http://robotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/osama-hide-and-seek.jpg
I think this is a great occasion for Muslims world wide to celebrate his death and denounce Osama Bin Laden publicly.
I think this is a great occasion for Muslims world wide to celebrate his death and denounce Osama Bin Laden publicly.
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ajpirc
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We’ve almost captured him twice already and he’s slipped away both times (not including Clinton’s capture). It was just easier to kill him right away.
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qui_est_ce
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Fixed it for you.
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SamH
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On December 26, 2001, Fox News reported on a Pakistan Observer story that the Afghan Taliban had officially pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead earlier that month. According to the report, he was buried less than 24 hours later in an unmarked grave in accordance with Wahabbist Sunni practices.
What followed was a string of pronouncements from officials affirming what was already obvious: supposedly living in caves and bunkers in the mountainous pass between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Osama would have been deprived of the dialysis equipment that he required to live.
On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced quite bluntly: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”
On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counter terrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore,” before carefully adding that “I have no evidence to support that.”
In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.”
In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.
In September 2006, French intelligence leaked a report suggesting Osama had died in Pakistan.
Osama Bin Laden in December 2001
On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.
In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”
In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”
Now in 2011, President Obama has added himself to the mix of people in positions of authority who have pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead. Some might charge that none of the previous reports had any credibility, but as it is now emerging that Osama’s body was buried at sea less than 12 hours after his death with no opportunity for any independent corroboration of his identity, the same question of credibility has to be leveled at this latest charge. To this point, the only evidence we have been provided that Osama Bin Laden was killed yesterday are some images on tv of a burning compound and the word of the man currently occupying the oval office.
But given that an informed consensus has formed around the opinion that Bin Laden died long ago due to kidney failure, will the people of America hold their President to the highest standard in presenting evidence that the person killed was actually Osama Bin Laden, and that he actually died in the way described, or will this pronouncement go unquestioned like so many other deaths in the never ending war of terror?
What followed was a string of pronouncements from officials affirming what was already obvious: supposedly living in caves and bunkers in the mountainous pass between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Osama would have been deprived of the dialysis equipment that he required to live.
On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced quite bluntly: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”
On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counter terrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore,” before carefully adding that “I have no evidence to support that.”
In October 2002, Afghan President Hamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.”
In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.
In September 2006, French intelligence leaked a report suggesting Osama had died in Pakistan.
Osama Bin Laden in December 2001
On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.
In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”
In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”
Now in 2011, President Obama has added himself to the mix of people in positions of authority who have pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead. Some might charge that none of the previous reports had any credibility, but as it is now emerging that Osama’s body was buried at sea less than 12 hours after his death with no opportunity for any independent corroboration of his identity, the same question of credibility has to be leveled at this latest charge. To this point, the only evidence we have been provided that Osama Bin Laden was killed yesterday are some images on tv of a burning compound and the word of the man currently occupying the oval office.
But given that an informed consensus has formed around the opinion that Bin Laden died long ago due to kidney failure, will the people of America hold their President to the highest standard in presenting evidence that the person killed was actually Osama Bin Laden, and that he actually died in the way described, or will this pronouncement go unquestioned like so many other deaths in the never ending war of terror?
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hxcCatholic413
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unrepentant?!?! how would you know that??
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hxcCatholic413
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God Bless his soul!
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AHapka
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Accounts state that he was given a chance to surrender and responded by shooting at the troops.
You can call it a lot of things. I can hope he repented before he died. I can hope that if he is in hell, he finally realizes who it was who decieved him. I can think of a lot of things…
But to call it MURDER when a soldier shoots back at an enemy who was offered mercy but chose to use lethal force…to that I say…
(nothing) (because I can’t say anything nice)
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Stjudeprayforus
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Tarpeian_Rock
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His sister died in Boston several years ago of brain cancer, and tissue samples were saved for this purpose, as I understand it. Live near Boston, so local media has the story.
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TMC
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They have DNA from many of his family members, including (I believe) a full sister. I don’t know that they have his own DNA to compare with, but they have enough DNA to say that he was a full sibling to the sister and a close relative to the others. Since there are no other bin Ladens unaccounted for, it stands to reason that the person killed yesterday must have been him.They proved who he was by his dna.
How did this happen?
Obviously they took some from his dead body but what did they match it with?
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oldcelt
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As stated before…his fate is in God’s most capable hands. As for me…the world is just a bit safer and better today. Good work all involved.
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Vouthon
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Praying for Bin Laden’s soul?
I agree that one should not rejoice at the death of anybody, and that one must pray for evil people while they live. However I do not think it is acceptable to pray for Bin Laden since he has committed so many mortal sins and expressed no repentennce in life that he is most definetly in hell as we speak. It is good and right to pray for evil people that they MIGHT SEE THE LIGHT AND REPENT.
But to pray for Bin Laden to escape his just punishment in hell is very wrong in my opinion. We can express sorrow that he will suffer in hell but we should not pray for him to escape it. He deserves hell, regrettable and sorrowful as that fact is.
Also I think it is morally acceptable for people to express happiness at Bin Laden’s death, in the sense that “justice” has been served for innocents. One should not rejoice over his death per se unqualified but in the sense of justice being served it is a moment of rejoicing. If one rejoiced simply because an evil man is dead and has gone to hell, this is wrong and should be opposed. But to rejoice because a great enemy of mankind has been rendered his just deserts, is not wrong merely natural human emotion.
And I will defend what I have written above to the hilt, since I believe it is very sinful to actually have the audacity to ask God to pardon and release a man from hell who has done so much evil. We can feel sorrow for the loss of his soul but to pray for his forgiveness? God forgive you people! The reason hell exists at all is to satisfy the justice of God.
Bin Laden is in hell and although I don’t want anybody to suffer eternally, I’m not going to pray for his release. How dare I have such audacity to question God who has defined murder - especially mass murder - as the gravest of mortal sins. We have no right to question his justice.
And in case anybody thinks he should not have been killed, even the Bible - in the Book of Ecclesiastes - tells us that there is a “time to kill”. Capital punishment/military operations have the legitimate right to kill certain persons in certain extreme situations.
Unless you wish to challange the Divine Revelation of the Bible, then I would like anybody to challange me as to why this was NOT a “time to kill” bearing in mind that God has divinely revealed to us that such “times” do exist?
I agree that one should not rejoice at the death of anybody, and that one must pray for evil people while they live. However I do not think it is acceptable to pray for Bin Laden since he has committed so many mortal sins and expressed no repentennce in life that he is most definetly in hell as we speak. It is good and right to pray for evil people that they MIGHT SEE THE LIGHT AND REPENT.
But to pray for Bin Laden to escape his just punishment in hell is very wrong in my opinion. We can express sorrow that he will suffer in hell but we should not pray for him to escape it. He deserves hell, regrettable and sorrowful as that fact is.
Also I think it is morally acceptable for people to express happiness at Bin Laden’s death, in the sense that “justice” has been served for innocents. One should not rejoice over his death per se unqualified but in the sense of justice being served it is a moment of rejoicing. If one rejoiced simply because an evil man is dead and has gone to hell, this is wrong and should be opposed. But to rejoice because a great enemy of mankind has been rendered his just deserts, is not wrong merely natural human emotion.
And I will defend what I have written above to the hilt, since I believe it is very sinful to actually have the audacity to ask God to pardon and release a man from hell who has done so much evil. We can feel sorrow for the loss of his soul but to pray for his forgiveness? God forgive you people! The reason hell exists at all is to satisfy the justice of God.
Bin Laden is in hell and although I don’t want anybody to suffer eternally, I’m not going to pray for his release. How dare I have such audacity to question God who has defined murder - especially mass murder - as the gravest of mortal sins. We have no right to question his justice.
And in case anybody thinks he should not have been killed, even the Bible - in the Book of Ecclesiastes - tells us that there is a “time to kill”. Capital punishment/military operations have the legitimate right to kill certain persons in certain extreme situations.
Unless you wish to challange the Divine Revelation of the Bible, then I would like anybody to challange me as to why this was NOT a “time to kill” bearing in mind that God has divinely revealed to us that such “times” do exist?
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Every single one of us is a sinner and deserving of Hell, by God’s mercy is He is willing to extend forgiveness to all who seek it. Forgiveness is not only for the common sinner, but especially for the worst of sinners! It is not the well that need a doctor, but the sick (mk 2:17) and perhaps Bin Laden himself was one of the most sickly people spiritually speaking, so he must have been in need of the forgiveness of Christ more so than many! So I will certainly do my Christian duty and pray for his soul, and hope that he repented in his final moments.
Remember the parable of the unforgiving servant, the master forgave a servant his debt, but that very same servant went out a sent a fellow servant to prison for not paying his debt, If Christ has had mercy on us why would we deny anyone else our forgiveness and prayers that God might forgive them, and in the case of Bin Laden we simply do not know his fate, and it is not right to assume he is in hell, so we should pray. There is no sin or amount of sins that can stand in the way of the mercy of God.
and how do you know he is in Hell? Who appointed you judge? only God is judge.
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TMC
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Aircraft carriers have well-equipped hospitals and plenty of room to bring whatever equipment and personel they need on board. As for timing, I don’t know how long it takes to do DNA testing, but 12 hours sounds like plenty of time. I think that most labs that are doing this in a commercial setting are spending more time checking your insurance and filling out forms than they are running the tests.
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Vouthon
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In his final moments initial reports seem to suggest (if they can be trusted) that Bin Laden used his wife as a human shield.
I hardly think this qualifies as repentence and yes your right, I have no right to say he did not mentally repent in his last moments but neither do you have the right to daydream that such an evil man WOULD.My point is, for you to pray for Bin Laden to escape hell - when you know full well he has committed SEVERE mortal sin and shown no public or written signs of repentence - is to directly challange God’s decree that murder is a mortal sin. I feel that if one prays for Bin Laden when his soul is in such a state, we are not only dishonouring his victims around the world, but effectively saying that God has no right to send certain people to hell, when he has created hell obviously to send people to it.
We just don’t have the right to challange God’s justice. God will deal with Bin Laden. Don’t pray for him. Pray for his poor, innocent wife whom he used to block the American troops who shot him to death.
The whole purpose of praying for evil people - for me at least - is that they might change their ways. I would fervently have prayed for Hitler during World War II. But I certainly would not pray for him now.
I regret that Hitler and Bin Laden need suffer in hell but I will never pray for them now that they are dead. And I don’t feel any less a Christian for saying so. Sorry.
If God thinks that hell is the just punishment for certain souls, then what right do we have to tell him that he is wrong?
Saint Moses the Black was a murderer. But he repented and became a very holy man and so we all have to forgive him for whatever sin he committed in his past. Hitler and Bin Laden didn’t, as far as we can tell. Your scripture references to people above only refer to those still alive who have time left to repent.
I am under no duty to pray for Bin Laden seeing that he is now dead, as you claim.
I do not delight in the death of evil people, I do not delight in his death, I feel sorrow that he has lost his soul to Satan but I won’t be praying for him. No way, EVER. My sense of justice and reverance for God’s decision to send certain people to hell prohibit this.
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