Ottawa Archbishop Urges "Firestorm of Response" to Explicit Sex Ed Curriculum

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By Patrick B. CraineOTTAWA, Ontario, April 22, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Archbishop Terrence Prendergast of Ottawa has called on Ontario Catholic parents to issue “a firestorm of response” to the Ontario government in light of Premier Dalton McGuinty’s assertion Wednesday that Catholic schools…

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By Patrick B. CraineOTTAWA, Ontario, April 22, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Archbishop Terrence Prendergast of Ottawa has called on Ontario Catholic parents to issue “a firestorm of response” to the Ontario government in light of Premier Dalton McGuinty’s assertion Wednesday that Catholic schools…

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It literaly took 4 hours for the moron to reverse himself.I can call him a moron.He’s MY premier.I send him letters that begin “dear Moron”…and end “you disgrace to the Catholic Faith”.
 
.I send him letters that begin “dear Moron”…and end “you disgrace to the Catholic Faith”.
How very charitable. :rolleyes:

By your logic, (you can insult the premier because he’s your premier) you would find it perfectly acceptable for a catholic to insult the pope, because he would be their pope!! I don’t think so !!!

Anyhow:
“They’re part of the publicly funded school system here in Ontario and this is part of our curriculum,” McGuinty said Wednesday. “If parents are uncomfortable with certain aspects of this new curriculum, they can and they are free to withdraw their children from the classroom.
Seems fair enough?? This is what happens when faith schools are funded in large by the taxpayers dollar.
“The ministry consulted with ICE (the Institute for Catholic Education) and they were very aware there would be some content we would not be delivering in Catholic schools.”
Bentham explained that homosexuality won’t be dealt with until grade 8, and then it will be done “from a faith perspective.
Seems even fairer enough - no?
 
How very charitable. :rolleyes:

By your logic, (you can insult the premier because he’s your premier) you would find it perfectly acceptable for a catholic to insult the pope, because he would be their pope!! I don’t think so !!!

Anyhow:

Seems fair enough?? This is what happens when faith schools are funded in large by the taxpayers dollar.

Seems even fairer enough - no?
Go away,you’re always spoiling for a fight.Please do not address me again.Are you that unhappy in your own life that you have to pick fights here.?Take a good long hard critical look in the mirror and I repeat do not address me again.
 
Seems fair enough?? This is what happens when faith schools are funded in large by the taxpayers dollar.

Seems even fairer enough - no?
By your logic, then, every single program in the curriculum should be a matter of choice; that is, I should be able to opt my kids out of math if I don’t want them learning math. Obviously that is fundamentally illogical, and naturally not permitted, as Math is a fundamental part of education and instruction. A school cannot issue my child a diploma knowing they received no instruction in mathematics.

The fact Sex Ed is purely “optional” is proof that it is not “necessary.” If it’s not necessary for the child’s education it shouldn’t be part of the child’s education, especially because taxpayers are forced to provide it at their own expense.

These Ontario classes are 90% indoctrination, not instruction: I know, I went through them. The other 10% belongs in biology classes, not “Sex Ed.”
 
Go away,you’re always spoiling for a fight.Please do not address me again.Are you that unhappy in your own life that you have to pick fights here.?Take a good long hard critical look in the mirror and I repeat do not address me again.
I will continue to address the points you make on this public forum for as long as I feel like it.

Unlike your comments, mine do not make personal inuendo about your private life :rolleyes: even if I did question the charitablness of publically delighting in calling a head of state a moron and highlighting the hypocracy of your position. That seemed like fair comment to me. If you dont want to read my reponses to your posts, dont read them, or put me on ignore and you wont see them. Dont presume to tell me who I will and wont address on a public forum.
By your logic, then, every single program in the curriculum should be a matter of choice; that is, I should be able to opt my kids out of math if I don’t want them learning math. Obviously that is fundamentally illogical, and naturally not permitted, as Math is a fundamental part of education and instruction. A school cannot issue my child a diploma knowing they received no instruction in mathematics.

The fact Sex Ed is purely “optional” is proof that it is not “necessary.” If it’s not necessary for the child’s education it shouldn’t be part of the child’s education, especially because taxpayers are forced to provide it at their own expense.

These Ontario classes are 90% indoctrination, not instruction: I know, I went through them. The other 10% belongs in biology classes, not “Sex Ed.”
I defer to your greater knowledge of the canadian system. It just seemed reasonable to me that if parents had issues with matters of sex education that conflicted with their beliefs, they could withdraw their kids from that part of class.
I dont think its on the same par as maths.
But the statement from Jan Bentham, co-ordinator of religious and family life education for the Ottawa Catholic School Board further down the article seemed at odds with the rather dramatic heading of the thread and seemed reasonable to me.
 
I repeat,go away.You are making a nuisance of yourself-always with the chip on your shoulder.I’m not playing with you any longer.Please abide by my request which I have requested of you civilly.I really don’t want to resort to the juvenility of pressing the “ignore” button but I will if you persist.You are antagonistic to other posters and I find you a near occasion of sin.Goodbye-get it?
 
I repeat,go away.You are making a nuisance of yourself-always with the chip on your shoulder.I’m not playing with you any longer.Please abide by my request which I have requested of you civilly.I really don’t want to resort to the juvenility of pressing the “ignore” button but I will if you persist.You are antagonistic to other posters and I find you a near occasion of sin.Goodbye-get it?
Let’s see - you call a head of state a moron, you infer I have an unhappy life, you tell me to take a long hard look at myself in a mirror, you call me antogonistic because I have a different viewpoint to you, you call me nuisance, claim I always have a chip on my shoulder and you tell me Im now a near occasion of sin - but you dont want to be ‘‘juvenile’’ :rotfl:

Dude - press the button - you know you want to 😛

Have a great weekend 👍
 
I defer to your greater knowledge of the canadian system. It just seemed reasonable to me that if parents had issues with matters of sex education that conflicted with their beliefs, they could withdraw their kids from that part of class.
A few parents did. In practice this ostricizes the children of those parents. The child’s fellow students are left wondering what’s wrong with that child’s family, and begin imagining all kinds of bizzare scenarios (“maybe they’re like those JoHos or something? Hahahaha!” Etc.) The teachers are not prepared to instruct the students about the reasons for contention or opposition to the class itself, as that would naturally disturb the students, create doubts about the purpose of the instruction, etc.

This is social-engineering, not education. My gym teacher, who was forced to instruct us was bewildered with what to do, and just wanted to get it over with ASAP. Kids throwing up or being teased for not being allowed to attend was not in his little handbook of Q&A prompts.
 
I repeat,go away.You are making a nuisance of yourself-always with the chip on your shoulder.I’m not playing with you any longer.Please abide by my request which I have requested of you civilly.I really don’t want to resort to the juvenility of pressing the “ignore” button but I will if you persist.You are antagonistic to other posters and I find you a near occasion of sin.Goodbye-get it?
Dear Soutane,

I ask you to pray for our Premier.
Our petitions to God for conversion, and petitions to the humanity of our leaders themselves (e.g., writing them letters) are heard and effectual, if not by one then certainly by the other. This we are promised.

Please join me in praying for our Premier, and our leaders in office. Let us pray that they will rule with wisdom and charity and make our nation more pleasing to Almighty God, whose mercy endures forevor.

God bless,
Tim
 
A few parents did. In practice this ostricizes the children of those parents. The child’s fellow students are left wondering what’s wrong with that child’s family.
Fair point. That never occured to me.
 
If a school was completely private and fee paying - in other words did not get a dime from the state - would the samee rules apply?
 
If a school was completely private and fee paying - in other words did not get a dime from the state - would the samee rules apply?
The Ministry could man-handle or take over via standardization rules; that is, refuse to recognize certain diplomas and programs based on their own criteria. The damnation of non-recognition would suffice to prevent a school from gaining credibility and notoriety. The determination for recognition is a joint effort by established universities and the ministry itself. The parents would be forced to examine the educational content of private/non-recognized schools themselves and determine whether or not the curriculum is satisfactory, and then leverage the education gained with the weakness of their child potentially not receiving an officially recognized diploma. In this way the government can also control and determine the growth or professions or specializations by not recognizing programs that develop certain professions, making it more difficult to gain legitimacy in practice.

The private education would have to be good enough in and of itself to propel their child to success in spite of not having the “air of authority” (or authenticity) about them. This is extremely possible, as a Public Education in Ontario is hardly intimidating. Most view it as day care with benefits (learn to read/write and play sports).

EDIT:ADDED: In Ontario most jobs require a High School diploma recognized by the Province. Others may only require “Grade 10 equivalency.” Regardless, it’s enough to drastically reduce the economic opportunities of students being trained outside the auspices of officialdom.
 
Let’s see - you call a head of state a moron, you infer I have an unhappy life, you tell me to take a long hard look at myself in a mirror, you call me antogonistic because I have a different viewpoint to you, you call me nuisance, claim I always have a chip on my shoulder and you tell me Im now a near occasion of sin - but you dont want to be ‘‘juvenile’’ :rotfl:

Dude - press the button - you know you want to 😛

Have a great weekend 👍
Done.
 
Dear Soutane,

I ask you to pray for our Premier.
Our petitions to God for conversion, and petitions to the humanity of our leaders themselves (e.g., writing them letters) are heard and effectual, if not by one then certainly by the other. This we are promised.

Please join me in praying for our Premier, and our leaders in office. Let us pray that they will rule with wisdom and charity and make our nation more pleasing to Almighty God, whose mercy endures forevor.

God bless,
Tim
Tim,
I’m with you dude.He gets a Rosary tonight and I’ll see about getting a mass for him too.Thank you for the suggestion and the reminder of what Jesus would want us to do.God Bless you,Soutane.Sometimes my bitter angels come out and my choleric side too.I will pray for him that he sees how some could consider his actions constructively sinful and yes even moronic.He is a Catholic as well and he shames us.
 
If a school was completely private and fee paying - in other words did not get a dime from the state - would the samee rules apply?
In Ontario, a person can choose which school board to send their school taxes to. When a person chooses to fund the Catholic school system, the tax dollars go to the Catholic (Seperate) School board.

Mr. McGinty is not a member of the Catholic School board, so he really has no say in how the School board spends it’s money and what it teaches. Basically, it’s not his money, they money belongs to the taxpayers who chose to direct their contributions there, and not to the general public system.
 
In Ontario, a person can choose which school board to send their school taxes to. When a person chooses to fund the Catholic school system, the tax dollars go to the Catholic (Seperate) School board.

Mr. McGinty is not a member of the Catholic School board, so he really has no say in how the School board spends it’s money and what it teaches. Basically, it’s not his money, they money belongs to the taxpayers who chose to direct their contributions there, and not to the general public system.
I have been playing with advocating a system wherein parents are granted the money to enroll their students into schools of their choice, with the money going to that school; for example, up to $9,000 per anum, covered by the Province. If a school charges a little more, parents can choose to pay the difference out of pocket and tax-free. That would empower parents to have more control over the content and quality of their child’s education, as opposed to the one-size fits all system we have now, and by-and-large encourage improved education by rewarding succesful schools.

Just a thought that needs a lot of work, but I think Ontario would greatly benefit by having more professionalism in and competition between schools. The diversity, I feel, would help enrich our next generation.
 
I will bet money that if you two had bumped in to one another “on the street”, then you would have no problems getting along…

:rolleyes:
That’s actually true.

I’d buy the guy a cold one.

Im a really nice guy.

😃
 
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