Our Country is Messed up Because We Don't Want Cattholic Leaders

[scott1228]

Godi:

Thank you! I am rarely accused of being eloquent!!

Also, JFK is a perfect example of a Catholic who could have done a world of good but failed in large part because he lacked Catholic values. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t do the perception of the Catholic Church any good to have a Catholic president who is a known philanderer.

The bottom line is that we have got to talk to kids about the truths of the Catholic faith and really have them sink into our daily lives.

Those of you who live in an area where only a quarter of the Catholics go to weekly mass know that there is a lot of work to be done.

 

[rwoehmke]

Also, JFK is a perfect example of a Catholic who could have done a world of good but failed in large part because he lacked Catholic values. I’m sorry, but it doesn’t do the perception of the Catholic Church any good to have a Catholic president who is a known philanderer.

I don’t recall that JFK was known by the vast majority of the people to be a known philanderer. It is well known now that he was. At the time I would estimate that far less than one tenth of one percent of the population even had a clue. JFK was my first vote for a president and my vote for Senator that year was for Ev Dirksen a staunch Republican from Southern Illinois. The country, under JFK, had more hope for a better world than I have experienced since under any administration. The man was flawed, but he was a leader, the likes of which we have not had since.

 

[scott1228]

Some people would cite President Reagan as a great President. He only lead the greatest peacetime expansion of our nations economy in modern times and defeated the Soviets.

What did JFK do again. Oh yeah, Bay of Pigs.

 

[Hastrman]

Some people would cite President Reagan as a great President. He only lead the greatest peacetime expansion of our nations economy in modern times and defeated the Soviets.

What did JFK do again. Oh yeah, Bay of Pigs.

And Nam, don’t let’s forget Nam.

But I wonder if maybe our culture doesn’t want Catholic politicians because it’s messed up, rather than the other way around.

 

[PLAL]

Yes, there can be good non-Catholic presidents, senators, etc… but I am sorry - Catholics (good ones) know more about objective truth and the way God really sees things than Protestants do…

Protestants, for example, seem to always justify abortion…

I am wondering why Roe v Wade is not overturned? If our Supreme Court justices were all devout Catholics, i believe it would have been…

God’s given us a couple of chances to vote for a devout Pro-Life Catholic black man running as an independent in Presidential Elections. However, Catholics did not put their Trust in God and vote for the man because they did not think he had a chance to win. If only people would learn to vote their faith. I won’t name any names but his website is RenewAmerica.us.

Most Protestants I know are Pro-Life. In fact one of the best Pro-Life websites out their is JillStanek.com who is Protestant.

As far as the Supreme Court. We have 5 Catholic Judges on the court which is enough to overturn Roe v Wade. The only problem is one of them will not vote his faith but calls himself “Catholic”. We will have to convert this Justice to be a true practicing “Catholic”.

 

[scott1228]

That is exactly correct! We need to pray a lot for that justice-- as well as the next president!!

In addition, we need to financially support those candidate who are vocally pro-life!

 

[RWMorris]

You’re right.

As much as we love our country, it’s founded on bad ideas that were trendy at the time of the constitution but since then have been pretty much discredited. They were anti-Catholic, enlightenment ideas (that’s what the “Enlightenment” was, the “escape” from the Catholic middle ages) and this country was founded by Deists and Protestants.

What the heck are you babbling about? You want to “enlighten” us? I think you just stepped in something, or did you fall and hit your head?

 

[RWMorris]

…As far as the Supreme Court. We have 5 Catholic Judges on the court which is enough to overturn Roe v Wade. The only problem is one of them will not vote his faith but calls himself “Catholic”. We will have to convert this Justice to be a true practicing “Catholic”.

The Supreme Court does not have the power to overturn Roe V Wade, even if all nine were devoutly anti-abortion. The most they will ever accomplish is to set the decision aside and send the issue back to the states. Which, according to the 10th Amendment, is where the issue belongs.

The only way abortion will ever be illegal nationally is if the 14th amendment is clarified or interpreted to include the unborn (or an amendment that defines human life as beginning at conception is passed).

 

[goofyjim]

I must simply say I don’t agree. Anyone is just as qualified regardless of religious denomination. To think that Catholics are any better is just wishful thinking.

 

[LRThunder]

The Supreme Court does not have the power to overturn Roe V Wade, even if all nine were devoutly anti-abortion. The most they will ever accomplish is to set the decision aside and send the issue back to the states. Which, according to the 10th Amendment, is where the issue belongs.

The only way abortion will ever be illegal nationally is if the 14th amendment is clarified or interpreted to include the unborn (or an amendment that defines human life as beginning at conception is passed).

Didn’t Brown v Board of Education basically overturn Plessy v Ferguson?

 

[ckempston]

The Supreme Court can indeed overturn Roe v. Wade. They decided that abortion was a woman’s constitutional right (well, basically), though the basis of the argument was, I believe, a woman’s right to privacy or some other such nonsense, as if when you kill someone privately that makes it ok.

There are several ways it could go:

One - they could decide to simply overturn the decision and as has been suggested in another post, the issue would be pushed to the states.

Two - they could overturn the decision, declare a fetus to be a citizen or a person, and therefore guarantee protections under the 14th Amendment. (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness).

Three - they could overturn the decision and Congress could make a Constitutional amendment protecting the life of a fetus with maybe a couple of exceptions. Congress could actually do this without the court doing anything. (Unlikely, since the baby killers have a majority).

That’s how our government works. Those rights not assigned to the Federal Gov’t are reserved to the states, or the people (10th Amendment). The Federal Court decided to make abortion a Constitutional issue in Roe v. Wade.

 

[rwoehmke]

As far as the Supreme Court. We have 5 Catholic Judges on the court which is enough to overturn Roe v Wade. The only problem is one of them will not vote his faith but calls himself “Catholic”. We will have to convert this Justice to be a true practicing “Catholic”.

As far as I know the Supreme Couirt can’t overturn anything until someone brings suit. They did vote against partial birth abortion. The anti-abortion law from the Dakotas never got beyond the state line. Who can really predict what they would do given the opportunity.

 

[rwoehmke]

That’s how our government works. Those rights not assigned to the Federal Gov’t are reserved to the states, or the people (10th Amendment). The Federal Court decided to make abortion a Constitutional issue in Roe v. Wade.

If I am not mistaken, the 14th amendment has been used to basically render a good number of items “reserved to the states” moot.

 

[distracted]

Just want to point out that all my protestant friends are against abortion as much as I am.

Yeah, i felt funny after writing that… I guess i have not been around many Protestants lately… and was generalizing… Sorry…:doh2:

I think the Supreme Court decision can be blamed on pure blase techniques and an overriding sense of ‘feminism.’ (As in, it wasn’t purely feminist, i.e. wanting equality of women and men)

I don’t understand what you mean here. Are you saying that they were too deferential to the feminists? If so, i totally agree.

I’m sure if all the Supreme Court justices were even just Christian, from any denomination of Protestant, the Roe v. Wade case would never have gone the way it went. (Then again, I have no idea what they considered themselves, I have a lot of research to do…)

Did you know that most of them are “Catholic”? I put quotes on that word because i doubt any of them is devout and am wondering whether i should call them that or not. To me, if someone is against the right to life, he/she is not Catholic. Period.

Clarence Thomas is “Catholic” but i read his biography and (so far as the book went) he isn’t enthusiastically Catholic… unless he has changed since book was written.

Scalia is supposed to be Catholic and… can’t recall the other names right off the top of my head… but anyway, about 5 of them are supposed to be…

Which makes me feel even worse about what i said about Protestants.

 

[distracted]

The Supreme Court can indeed overturn Roe v. Wade. They decided that abortion was a woman’s constitutional right

I never thoguht about that before… but the problem is, because it is made a constitutional right, does that mean it can be changed, as you say further on in your post? I mean, if it is a constitutional right, it seems it would be MORE and not LESS possible to change it. (??)

One - they could decide to simply overturn the decision and as has been suggested in another post, the issue would be pushed to the states.

Two - they could overturn the decision, declare a fetus to be a citizen or a person, and therefore guarantee protections under the 14th Amendment. (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness).

Three - they could overturn the decision and Congress could make a Constitutional amendment protecting the life of a fetus with maybe a couple of exceptions. Congress could actually do this without the court doing anything. (Unlikely, since the baby killers have a majority).

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I am wondering where you got this information?

If it is true, i am all the more angry @ them (Sup Ct) than i was before!

 

[Walt_Oliver]

Reminder: Questioning the faith of another, be it a fellow poster here or a public figure, is not allowed.

 

[distracted]

God’s given us a couple of chances to vote for a devout Pro-Life Catholic black man running as an independent in Presidential Elections.

Could you PM me with the names of these pro-life candidates? Also, i think we are just not allowed to mention candidates currently running for office…

If only people would learn to vote their faith.

A Big to that!!

his website is RenewAmerica.us.

thank you!

Most Protestants I know are Pro-Life. In fact one of the best Pro-Life websites out their is JillStanek.com who is Protestant.

Sorry - i shouldn’t have said that. I guess i was in a weird mood that day…

As far as the Supreme Court. We have 5 Catholic Judges on the court which is enough to overturn Roe v Wade. The only problem is one of them will not vote his faith but calls himself “Catholic”. We will have to convert this Justice to be a true practicing “Catholic”.

We can convert him through praying the rosary over him every night (and day, if you can)… but also, we could write to him.

What is the address to the Supreme Court building in Washington DC??

I think we should bombard them with letters… ones that mention that the right to life is the first one mentioned in our constitution (etc),*** so abortion on demand is unconstitutional! ***

 

[distracted]

I’ve actually heard Protestants say that the best things Catholics can do is stay away from politics. They said this because most of the Catholics in public office right now are doing far more in opposition to the Gospel (promoting abortion, etc.) than they are doing to promote the Gospel.

Yes, i have seen this myself… But the problem is:

Define Catholic

A politician who calls himself Catholic but believes in abortion is not - repeat NOT Catholic.

So Protestants should not say that Catholics should stay out of politics, only that those who claim to be Catholic but who are NOT should stay out of it.

 

[RWMorris]

Didn’t Brown v Board of Education basically overturn Plessy v Ferguson?

Yes, you are I correct and I was wrong. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Just an observation. BUT, Our country is not messed up because we don’t want Catholic leaders, it is because we have Catholic leaders who are afraid to live and vote anything that would appear Catholic. I say this primarily about most, (Not all) Catholic Senators and Representatives. A sad commentary indeed.
Deacon Ed B