We shouldn’t be the only ones running things. After all, this isn’t a theocracy. But we all would be a lot better off if Catholic leaders in government stayed true to the tenets of the faith, starting with opposing abortion.
True and this goes for most politicians. It seems none of them what to vote the moral beliefs they claim to follow in their “private” lives.
You miss the point entirely. It’s not just about being Catholic. Its about senators and representatives being afraid to vote what they profess to believe in their faiths, but pandering to all kind of “coalitions” in order to get votes and stay in power. As a result, this country is on a skid that is really taking us down. No prayer in school, abortion on demand, ministers being labeled “lunatic fringe” if they preach against homosexuality or are labeled guilty of hate speech, and so on. We profess to be one nation under God. When is the last time, we acted like it and stood up for our Christian based principles? To pander to a minority we cannot have Christmas mangers, we have to say “winter break”,. No more Easter vacation, it is now spring break. and the list can go on and on. Do you get the point?.
And do you get the point that this country is made up of more than just religious people? Others must be represented as well. It is a democracy not a theocracy.
I get the point only too well, but I think you are still are missing my point altogether. Remember the phrase, “the tail is wagging the dog.” This is what is happening. All these small minority fringes are what are guiding what is going on. I am even called intolerant because I refused to allow my grandchildren to witness a gay pride parade. The point is I am intolerant because I don’t care to have them witness all that goes on in these parades and am trying to instill Christian values in them as they grow up. Sin, by any other name is still sin, regardless of who accepts it or legalizes it. Because it is legalized, does not mean I have to practice it or teach it. Thats the point.
Actually, some people are more qualified than others to run for office.
The more Catholic leaders the better. That would be pretty cool if Catholics held as many positions of leadership as possible.
I’m not about to call you intolerant for not allowing your grandchildren to witness a pride parade but OTOH if they want to have a parade stay home that day. The fact is there are other people to be represented than just Catholics in this country of ours and they may not want Catholics representing them. We can’t force a Catholic government on them. They must vote for it of their own free will. That’s what a democracy is all about and I for one love it.
Yeah, a war in which we won every single battle but our liberal media told us it was unwinnable and gave the enemy the ammunition they needed to wait us out. Don’t believe that? Go research and read statements made by Ho Chi Minh and other generals of the NVA.
I agree totally with what you are saying. You miss my point still. People, Catholic and Protestant are afraid to be called intolerant because of the fringe elements. They (both sides) are afraid to vote anything with Christian values. That is all I am saying.
I am.
Democracy isn’t all it is cracked up to be… or at least our current form of democracy isn’t because, in practice, well, it isn’t practiced…
. Only problem is: he would lose his mind taking care of all the “temporal” problems… Then wouldn’t be much good in the area of the eternal ones… 
The Pope is infallible on faith and morals. This really doesn’t cover things like healthcare and economic incentive programs, or many other government things. I have nothing against the Pope but he would not be cut out to lead a worldly government and that is what we have to have here. Not a theocracy.Democracy isn’t all it is cracked up to be… or at least our current form of democracy isn’t because, in practice, well, it isn’t practiced…
The Constitution, frankly, is not worth the paper it’s written on… because it is, in many ways, not enforced… & largely unenforce-able… (long story exactly waht i mean…).
I think it would be best if the pope ruled the world. After all, he is infallible sometimes…
& usually a pretty decent guy the rest of the time
So, in conclusion, since the pope can’t rule, the next best thing is:
Catholic (not “Catholic”) politicians…
I was being fascetious…
Yes he is. He’s just not a very good Catholic. Kinda like how Joe Lieberman was technically a Democrat up until recently – but didn’t care much for toeing the party line. Being a sinner does not make anyone ‘not Catholic’.
Yeah, historically that hasn’t worked out so well. The pope may be a great spiritual leader, but those past popes who tried to get their fingers in the pie of temporal matters have traditionally ended up the worse for it.
To be truly Catholic, one must believe all that the Catholic Church believes and teaches. He/she may call himself/herself Catholic, but if they do not believe all, they are not truly Catholic, no matter what they or anyone else calls them.
Unless you are a Vietnam Vet, I would suggest your thinking is quite wrong. You posit that the media caused the war to be lost? I don’t know anyone in academia or goverment who believes that except perhaps a warped neo-con along the lines of Kristol.
Never have I known of people in a religious faith so willing and eager to turn out their own members for not being “Catholic” enough to suit their rather ultra right wing beliefs. You do know of course that this group of Catholics here, by and large is a very tiny fringe? I really don’t hear Methodists and Lutherans arguing that some of their members are not “real” Methodists or Lutherans. One hopes that normal people do not much frequent these forums lest they think all Catholics are so self-important as some claim to be here. There will be no issue of electing Catholics at all if that happens, they will know that we are unfit for office!
When it comes to the elements of our faith, we believe that we are the one, true Catholic and Apostolic Church. We believe that truth is immutable. If it was true 2000 years ago, it is true today. If it is true today, it will be true 2000 years from now. Truth is immutable, not relative. If I were in a faith that taught that scripture meant whatever a person thought it meant, well, you can see the many different variances of the so called truth. Again, relativism did not spring from the Catholic Church. Not to sound too harsh, but we will not change any of our teachings and dogmas which we believe to be infallible to accommodate anyone feeling welcome. You take us as we are, not as you want us to be.
Maybe you are right but my definition of Catholic is one who obeys the teachings/requirements of the Church… Even so, i recognize the power of baptism… (& the power of free will to renounce one’s baptism…).
i agree to a point… but baby-killing, for instance, is not merely an “interest”… I mean, if one is interested in keeping the right to kil unborn babies, i think it is justifiable to “ignore” that interest…