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Since there’s no way Ron Paul can win, I’d like to see Barack Obama re-elected. Don’t get me wrong, I believe Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, but he’ll do the best job of galvanizing opposition to this corrupt government. Someone like Romney getting elected just means that people will be instilled with all kinds of false hope, as we slowly cook to death like the proverbial frog in the pot of water on the stove.
 
Seamus_L said:
Since there’s no way Ron Paul can win, I’d like to see Barack Obama re-elected. Don’t get me wrong, I believe Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, but he’ll do the best job of galvanizing opposition to this corrupt government. Someone like Romney getting elected just means that people will be instilled with all kinds of false hope, as we slowly cook to death like the proverbial frog in the pot of water on the stove.
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That’s an interesting reasoning process there. I can’t think there are very many “I can’t get Paul so I’ll go with Obama” voters.

I would guess that the vast majority of Paul voters would grudgingly go for Romney or simply not vote. My MIL is for Paul but she is going to sit this one out.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Cultural Catholics who may go to church a few times a year. This may be an undecided voter — check out that classic *Atlantic Monthly *tribes of American religion piece — depending on what is happening with the economy, foreign policy, etc. Leans to Democrats.
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**Sunday-morning American Catholics**. This voter is a regular in  the pew and may even play some leadership role in the parish. This is  the Catholic voter that is really up for grabs, the true swing voter  that the candidates are after.
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It’s kind of a pointless distinction, though, since the ones voting for Obama are already Cultural Catholics by virtue of that very fact. It’s not as if going to mass every Sunday would negate their cooperation with grave evil.
 
I don’t understand why Ron Paul was not included on the list.
_Abyssinia said:
I do not think I ever seen a poll on here that tells you which members voted for who… till now
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That’s one of the options in creating a poll when you open a thread. It does have a tendency to decrease participation, especially among those who don’t feel their answers would be politically correct in the audience reading and posting on that thread. As a result, it makes the poll results even more unreliable than typical internet polls.
 
GEddie said:
That does not really make sense, IMNAAHO, because the US of A is not a business. Not only is it not intended to make a profit; citizens are not employees.
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Since the government is the biggest employer in the country now, I think your statement may be false.
 
I don’t see how anyone who even remotely claims to be catholic could have voted or will vote for Obama given his clearly laid out agendas?

I want Santorum but I think Romney will win out. That being the case I will vote for anyone up against Obama.
 
Digitonomy said:
I don’t understand why Ron Paul was not included on the list.That’s one of the options in creating a poll when you open a thread. It does have a tendency to decrease participation, especially among those who don’t feel their answers would be politically correct in the audience reading and posting on that thread. As a result, it makes the poll results even more unreliable than typical internet polls.
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Probably was just a mistake not to include Ron Paul.

I think I created a poll before, I don’t think I ever say the option to show members names.
 
Seamus_L said:
Since there’s no way Ron Paul can win, I’d like to see Barack Obama re-elected. Don’t get me wrong, I believe Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, but he’ll do the best job of galvanizing opposition to this corrupt government. Someone like Romney getting elected just means that people will be instilled with all kinds of false hope, as we slowly cook to death like the proverbial frog in the pot of water on the stove.
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Ron Paul may have place in a Romney administration, or even Rand Paul. It has been suggested that that could happen.

I think your view is too cynical, it is better to have good people change government than elect Barack Obama who is making things worse, larger and more intrusive - irreversible damage in four more years of no restriction because he won’t have to be worry about being reelected.
 
exoflare said:
It’s kind of a pointless distinction, though, since the ones voting for Obama are already Cultural Catholics by virtue of that very fact. It’s not as if going to mass every Sunday would negate their cooperation with grave evil.
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True.
 
GEddie said:
Every cycle, someone will bring up a candidate’s business experience as being somehow “better” than “political” experience as qualification for high office.

That does not really make sense, IMNAAHO, because the US of A is not a business. Not only is it not intended to make a profit; citizens are not employees.

The POTUS is and will always be a politician. Nothing can change that.

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I think having a president who understands how an economy works is good for our country. Romney has been out in the business world making difficult decisions. I think career politicians/idealists sometimes get caught up in the theoretical and sometimes forget the consequences of the policies they enact based on their ideas. I hope that makes sense. In addition to real world business experience, Romney also has executive managerial/leadership experience which is something both Santorum and Obama lack. Santorum might be good on paper from the perspective of the catechized catholic voter, but he is a career politician and even his communication skills are suspect imo. We are facing a potential fiscal crisis, and gas is $4 or more a gallon. Obama is highly vulnerable on those issues and Santorum unfortunately focuses on the social issues too much - setting himself up for failure in the general if he were to get the nomination.

Ishii
 
Seamus_L said:
Since there’s no way Ron Paul can win, I’d like to see Barack Obama re-elected. Don’t get me wrong, I believe Obama is the worst president in my lifetime, but he’ll do the best job of galvanizing opposition to this corrupt government. Someone like Romney getting elected just means that people will be instilled with all kinds of false hope, as we slowly cook to death like the proverbial frog in the pot of water on the stove.
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Two problems with that, Seamus: One, its way too risky. Obama, as Abyssinia said, would not have to worry about re-election in his 2nd term and would go all out to implement his leftist agenda. Any supreme court vacancies would be ideological clones of Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The supreme court would end up being an Obama shaped court - that can’t happen. If you think the supreme court isnt’ important then you should go back and listen to the oral arguments last week made during the court challenge to Obamacare. It matters a great deal who is on the court.

Two, Romney wouldn’t instill false hope in me. I know he isn’t a libertarian and that he is probably more moderate than I would prefer. However, I do think that he would work with Paul Ryan to pass a budget that would help our country get on a sounder fiscal path. I also think that Romney would encourage drilling and pipelines and measures that would help bring down the cost of oil eventually. And, he would nominate justices in the mold of Scalia and Alito. So no, it wouldn’t be the “frog in the water” as you suggest. There are fundamental differences between Obama and Romney. This election is too important to let a misguided cynicism help re-elect Obama and continue the evil of his policies.

Ishii
 
exoflare said:
It’s kind of a pointless distinction, though, since the ones voting for Obama are already Cultural Catholics by virtue of that very fact. It’s not as if going to mass every Sunday would negate their cooperation with grave evil.
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Got a gavel?
 
I voted for Mitt only because I believe IMHO he would be the best person to defeat the incumbent. As my status line says, No sincere Catholic can ever vote for Obama, I think Romney is the best person for that.
 
I didn’t vote, but I think I would prefer Santorum to Romney. But I do want someone who can defeat Obama. I can not vote for the president because of his pro-abortion positions and his use of the HHS mandate to attack religious freedom. And I cannot bear to see Kathleen Sebelius continue in her present position as HHS Secretary. Having her as a solidly pro-abortion governor of Kansas was bad enough. In her current position she has the power to wage a continuing national war on religious freedom.

On the other hand, I’m expecting that the nation and the global economy will be hit with a monetary crisis soon, and whoever is in office will be blamed for the economic disaster that follows. Ron Paul may be the only current candidate who would even be willing to tackle that problem, but he won’t be elected.
 
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