Our Next President

[Calgar]

If that is true, why are you corresponding on a Catholic site? Guilt??? Your statement is right out of a Protestant handbook. You sound more like a Southern Baptist than a Roman Catholic.

You got a problem, George?

 

[GEddie]

It is so in parts of Africa, and there have been cases in the U.S. of the equivalent of old-time slavery.

At least when it occurs now in America, it is a crime, and it is nOt socially admired, as it was then.

As to Africa, slavery has always existed there (which is how the Euro-Americans discovered it) and we haven’t the means to stop it; hopefully the modernization of those areas will empower those who live there to do so.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

At least when it occurs now in America, it is a crime, and it is nOt socially admired, as it was then.

As to Africa, slavery has always existed there (which is how the Euro-Americans discovered it) and we haven’t the means to stop it; hopefully the modernization of those areas will empower those who live there to do so.

ICXC NIKA

You mean that we can use economic pressure to end slavery? No way, I thought that we had to fight massive bloody wars!

 

[RACJ]

No, it is much more insidious than chattel slavery. It is slavery by apathetic consent.

Scott, I love that line. The people who aspire to no more in life than welfare subsidies and Section 8 housing have enslaved themselves. That's bad enough, but they wish to enslave the rest of us through punishing taxation and asphyxiating regulations. They can be bribed with other people's money to vote for a man so smarmy that he refuses to give his own TRULY impoverished brother George in Kenya a nickel. :hypno: Rob

 

[RACJ]

If I abstained or voted 3rd party for instance for the Green Party, I’d be helping the GOP candidate. I’ve considered it. But I did that in 2010 for governor (voted 3rd party). 3% of us did and we ended up with a Tea Party candidate winning by 1%. That’s why I’ve decided not to do that this time.

You mean a real TEA PARTY candidate who (horrors!) opposes mob rule and despotism, and demands fealty to the U.S. Constitution WON? Thanks to you? You have unwittingly helped to save the Republic. May your numbers rise exponentially. Thank you! ;) Rob

 

[RACJ]

And so will abortion rights, gay marriage, trillion dollar deficits, etc.

Ishii

You forgot a continued thugocracy and a second Great Depression. Oh, and you think that gasoline prices are staggering now? Wait until the radical environmenatlist places a moratorium on fracking, killing natural gas drilling operations. If you love your family, you MUST vote against Obama. :yup: Rob

 

[exoflare]

Yeah my keyboard misspelled “alleviate” as in striving to lessen the number of poor. But thanks for pointing it out.

That’s not what I’m talking about at all.

 

[pnewton]

As important as the abortion issue is, please realize that voting for a third party candidate or abstaining from voting in November, is in effect a vote for Obama.

This is only true for people who are bad at math. The rest of us know that it is half a vote for (or against) each of the other candidates.

 

[GEddie]

This is only true for people who are bad at math. The rest of us know that it is half a vote for (or against) each of the other candidates.

Not really. Third candidates often siphon votes from
only one of the others. That helped to elect Clinton in 1992 and GWB in 00.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Scott, I love that line. The people who aspire to no more in life than welfare subsidies and Section 8 housing have enslaved themselves. That’s bad enough, but they wish to enslave the rest of us through punishing taxation and asphyxiating regulations. They can be bribed with other people’s money to vote for a man so smarmy that he refuses to give his own TRULY impoverished brother George in Kenya a nickel. :hypno: Rob

Bingo!

 

[Bklynguy]

Scott, I love that line. The people who aspire to no more in life than welfare subsidies and Section 8 housing have enslaved themselves. That’s bad enough, but they wish to enslave the rest of us through punishing taxation and asphyxiating regulations. They can be bribed with other people’s money to vote for a man so smarmy that he refuses to give his own TRULY impoverished brother George in Kenya a nickel. :hypno: Rob

“Liberals, it has been said, are generous with other peoples’ money, except when it comes to questions of national survival when they prefer to be generous with other people’s freedom and security.”–William F. Buckley, Jr.

 

[pnewton]

Not really. Third candidates often siphon votes from
only one of the others.

No, they do not, not unless you believe in voting twice. If I vote for a third party, then there are two main parties I do not vote for, not one. You can go on all day about this. It is the Republican lies that have driven me away from that party, the lack of logic and the fear-mongering. If Republicans desire votes, perhaps a little more truth and little less rhetoric is in order. If they desire to eliminate a third party threat, then picking some wishy-washy compromise candidate is not really the best move. I vote as a Catholic, not a Republican.

Catholics are allowed to considered electability in their choice. It is not something which must take precident. Blind Republican voting has brought us Roe v. Wade and deficent spending. I will no longer support the party of the status quo.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

I picked other. Mainly because I didn’t want to endorse BO. But, as long as it’s not a Republican. I’ll be pleased.

 

[Bocephus]

I picked other. Mainly because I didn’t want to endorse BO. But, as long as it’s not a Republican. I’ll be pleased.

So you didn’t endorse Obama to endorse Obama?

 

[ishii]

No, they do not, not unless you believe in voting twice. If I vote for a third party, then there are two main parties I do not vote for, not one. You can go on all day about this. It is the Republican lies that have driven me away from that party, the lack of logic and the fear-mongering. If Republicans desire votes, perhaps a little more truth and little less rhetoric is in order. If they desire to eliminate a third party threat, then picking some wishy-washy compromise candidate is not really the best move. I vote as a Catholic, not a Republican.

Catholics are allowed to considered electability in their choice. It is not something which must take precident. Blind Republican voting has brought us Roe v. Wade and deficent spending. I will no longer support the party of the status quo.

You’re arguing on semantics, but Its really about cause and effect, pnewton. If 10% of the voters on the right do not vote for the Republican because they think he’s too wishy washy, then the effect of that is to help elect the Democrat who is light years worse than any wishy washy Republican. There is no getting around this fact. You can spin it all you want, but refusing to oppose a great evil in a fit of misguided holier than thou-ism is the wrong way to go this election. Too much is at stake.

And regarding your point that “blind Republican voting brought us Roe V Wade” , are you saying that guarenteeing a right to privacy for a woman to have an abortion was an issue during the elections leading up to the Roe V Wade decision? I wasn’t aware that abortion was even a national issue at that point. Please explain.

Ishii

 

[seekerz]

Worse than chattel slavery? Really? Read about slavery, including modern day slavery in Africa, and tell me how nice that slavery is.

Strange how many people who speak freely of a phenomenon they have no generational experience of, also argue that today’s ‘enslaved’ are immune to a hard day’s work…Far as I remember, and it appears true today, the main purpose of slavery is to impose uncompensated labor on the oppressed.

So since when does slavery = not working? Or are the really enslaved those among us who (like their historical and contemporary counterparts) receive nothing more for their long hours of hard work than their minimum basic needs, if that.

 

[iamrefreshed]

Strange how many people who speak freely of a phenomenon they have no generational experience of, also argue that today’s ‘enslaved’ are immune to a hard day’s work…Far as I remember, and it appears true today, the main purpose of slavery is to impose uncompensated labor on the oppressed.

So since when does slavery = not working? Or are the really enslaved those among us who (like their historical and contemporary counterparts) receive nothing more for their long hours of hard work than their minimum basic needs, if that.

Everyone has generational experience of slavery. Slavery is not a condition owned by those with darker skin.

 

[GEddie]

Everyone has generational experience of slavery. Slavery is not a condition owned by those with darker skin.

Well, no, in NA nobody alive, apart from rare victims of criminal actions, has experienced slavery.

I think the confusion is the word “generational”. It doesn’t mean ancestral or historical, it means in one’s generation, during one’s life. Again, since 1865 in NA, only victims of criminal abduction have been “enslaved”.

Slavery does exist in the world. But it is rarer than ever. And the events of the mid 1800s played a major part in that result.

ICXC NIKA

 

[stevegravy]

Everyone has generational experience of slavery. Slavery is not a condition owned by those with darker skin.

Sorry for the length but rant I did anyway.

A long time ago there was a National Geo documentary on the Inca Empire. I remember this little factoid from it because I thought it quite ironic. An Inca male was required to work for the emperor 6 months every 5 years. Well in our free country everyone who makes over 40K or 50k not sure which has to work 4 or more months every year for the all the various branches of government. It is weird isn’t it?

At any rate taxation must be a very complicated subject because of all the highly learned people with university degrees and certifications and licenses who have to work the process to keep Warren Buffet’s tax rate lower than his secretary’s. But, the point is whether you’re Warren or some shmo on a factory line there is a finite amount of money you are going to earn in a lifetime. So, to my simple reasoning mind, the government coercive takings of your money to GIVE to some other entity, either through WIC, SSI, or grants to climate scholars, or Archer Daniels Midland is a transfer of part of your life’s work. So, you basically have been enslaved because you are working without compensation. Part of a taxpayer life’s work taken by the rule of a mob in Washington or some state capital is slavery. Partial maybe but slavery just the same.

Now obviously the screech starts over bridges, roads, highways, national defense et cetera. Well those are common goods necessary for the nice life we have in this country. They are not enriching someone else’s pocket and are shared by all. But the other takings for SS, Medicare, Medicaid, write offs for political donations, write offs so a lobbyist can keep a rich guys tax rate low on capital gains, or payments to some dude for not growing food on a farm… these are enslavements to satisfy the greedy mob. The mob depends on the recipients be they rich or be they poor to keep them in power so they can pass out more of the taxpayers life earnings. Kind of a vicious circle isn’t it.

So, yes take the blue pill. Keep taking it and someday out in the future when the final remaining taxpayers have had enough what was called “man’s last best hope” will crumble in the dust. It will be because the voters and the mob they put in power forgot their first principles. Crumble it will, because slaves do not defend their masters very well.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Sorry for the length but rant I did anyway.

A long time ago there was a National Geo documentary on the Inca Empire. I remember this little factoid from it because I thought it quite ironic. An Inca male was required to work for the emperor 6 months every 5 years. Well in our free country everyone who makes over 40K or 50k not sure which has to work 4 or more months every year for the all the various branches of government. It is weird isn’t it?

At any rate taxation must be a very complicated subject because of all the highly learned people with university degrees and certifications and licenses who have to work the process to keep Warren Buffet’s tax rate lower than his secretary’s. But, the point is whether you’re Warren or some shmo on a factory line there is a finite amount of money you are going to earn in a lifetime. So, to my simple reasoning mind, the government coercive takings of your money to GIVE to some other entity, either through WIC, SSI, or grants to climate scholars, or Archer Daniels Midland is a transfer of part of your life’s work. So, you basically have been enslaved because you are working without compensation. Part of a taxpayer life’s work taken by the rule of a mob in Washington or some state capital is slavery. Partial maybe but slavery just the same.

Now obviously the screech starts over bridges, roads, highways, national defense et cetera. Well those are common goods necessary for the nice life we have in this country. They are not enriching someone else’s pocket and are shared by all. But the other takings for SS, Medicare, Medicaid, write offs for political donations, write offs so a lobbyist can keep a rich guys tax rate low on capital gains, or payments to some dude for not growing food on a farm… these are enslavements to satisfy the greedy mob. The mob depends on the recipients be they rich or be they poor to keep them in power so they can pass out more of the taxpayers life earnings. Kind of a vicious circle isn’t it.

So, yes take the blue pill. Keep taking it and someday out in the future when the final remaining taxpayers have had enough what was called “man’s last best hope” will crumble in the dust. It will be because the voters and the mob they put in power forgot their first principles. Crumble it will, because slaves do not defend their masters very well.

WOW Great post.