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How am I wrong?
I am not an acolyte of Rand. I am only giving you my humble observations of the behavior of this society as government has intruded into the markets to distort its working to the favor of legislature’s benefactors. Also from observing the despair and lack of civility at the County Jobs and family Service Center I witnessed the empty soul draining atmosphere of government charity. There is no virtue in coerced charity.

But, if you must know I do read Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell.
 
You are responding to Atlas Shrugged 101 rantings inspired by the philosophy of Ayn Rand. What else do you expect? I keep telling people it’s infiltrated the conservative movement, but all the good Christians on this site seem to want to ignore it.

Scary if you ask me.
About as scary (and by scary, I mean stupid) as Glenn Beck’s rants about how socialism has infiltrated the left.

This demonizing political opponents by straw-manning their platforms and linking them to the extreme end of their political spectrum is shameful, and it needs to stop.

The vast majority of Democrats AND Republicans are regular folks, not extremists, and not radicals.
 
The most notable theory of economics ever put together by a group affiliated with the Catholic Church is the School of Salemanca in the 1600s, who were disciples of St. Thomas Aquinas. These economic theories evolved to later become known as the Austrian School of Economics. As far as I know, the Catholic Church has put together theological principles on good governance and civil society and doesn’t endorse any one particular economic theory (although the Distributionist theory was put together by some early 20th century British Catholics. It never caught hold anywhere).

So, again, I ask, what economic theory do you subscribe to, because the Catholic Church doesn’t have one.
Anybody who ever mentions Abp. Weakland’s opus should be immediately referred to Motu Proprio Apostolos Suos, which implemented the following complementary norms to the CIC:

COMPLEMENTARY NORMS
REGARDING
THE CONFERENCES OF BISHOPS

Art. 1. – In order that the doctrinal declarations of the Conference of Bishops referred to in No. 22 of the present Letter may constitute authentic magisterium and be published in the name of the Conference itself, they must be unanimously approved by the Bishops who are members, or receive the recognitio of the Apostolic See if approved in plenary assembly by at least two thirds of the Bishops belonging to the Conference and having a deliberative vote.

Art. 2. – No body of the Episcopal Conference, outside of the plenary assembly, has the power to carry out acts of authentic magisterium. The Episcopal Conference cannot grant such power to its Commissions or other bodies set up by it.

Art. 3. – For statements of a different kind, different from those mentioned in article 2, the Doctrinal Commission of the Conference of Bishops must be authorized explicitly by the Permanent Council of the Conference.

Art. 4. – The Episcopal Conferences are to review their statutes in order that they may be consistent with the clarifications and norms of the present document as well as the Code of Canon Law, and they should send them subsequently to the Apostolic See for recognitio, in accordance with canon 451 of the Code of Canon Law.
So, since there is absolutely no evidence that Abp. Weakland’s opus was approved unanimously and there is no recognito, the entire work in not incorporated into the authentic magesterium.
 
Yes, I had it with that bunch when I read their suggestion that the way to deal with the war in Iraq (back then) was to level Baghdad and its other cities with carpet bombing sparing no one. They were serious as they always are.
Who said that? Or is this another one of your unscientific anecdotal comments?

Ishii
 
You are responding to Atlas Shrugged 101 rantings inspired by the philosophy of Ayn Rand. What else do you expect? I keep telling people it’s infiltrated the conservative movement, but all the good Christians on this site seem to want to ignore it.

Scary if you ask me.
Spoken like a true disciple of Ayn Rand! You deserve a B+, I’d give you an A, but you forgot to cite your source. Sorry :cool:
You a Randian? Say it isn’t so, Christine!!
Is there anything else you can do but call people names and engage in ad hominem attacks? Why don’t you actually address the substance of the post? It raised the issue of how much of our work and salary/wages during the year goes to pay taxes - money confiscated from us by politicians in Washington DC and redistributed & trickled down to cronies and maybe a few poor people - who then become dependent on the handouts. Why not address the issue? Is it because you can’t?

Ishii
 
Who said that? Or is this another one of your unscientific anecdotal comments?
I’m so sorry that it touched a nerve with you to read something critical of the Ayn Rand Institute.

Of course, it’s unscientific. It was an opinion piece written around the time that the U.S. was foolishly putting boots on the ground in Iraq instead of bombing Iraq into nothingness, though it certainly reflected their thinking about dealing with hostile countries. It was posted on their website at the time.
 
money confiscated from us by politicians in Washington DC and redistributed & trickled down to cronies and maybe a few poor people - who then become dependent on the handouts. Why not address the issue? Is it because you can’t?
You are as adept at ad hominems as anyone else, I notice.
 
You are as adept at ad hominems as anyone else, I notice.
That’s not an ad hominem; it’s a criticism of our government, not of another person in the thread.

Everything you have bolded DOES happen. Taxation IS confiscation, and the loot does get passed down to cronies. Sorry, but that’s just the price everybody pays to live in a society. And I, for one, have no admiration at all for Ayn Rand.

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That’s not an ad hominem; it’s a criticism of our government, not of another person in the thread.

Everything you have bolded DOES happen. Taxation IS confiscation, and the loot does get passed down to cronies. Sorry, but that’s just the price everybody pays to live in a society. And I, for one, have no admiration at all for Ayn Rand.
I stand corrected. It wasn’t ad hominem, it was inflammatory, and IMO unnecessary to portray taxation as confiscation, as loot, and the distribution as cronyism. It turns me, for one, off as to anything a writer using such terms might have to say that might be of value.
 
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I'm so sorry that it touched a nerve with you to read something critical of the Ayn Rand Institute.  .
No, criticism of Ayn Rand doesn’t bother me - I reject her objectivist philosophy and certainly her atheism. But I note that her brand of atheism didn’t inspire her disciples to kill millions of people the way leftist atheism did. What touched a nerve was the knee-jerk ad hominem - in response to someone’s post critical of how our entitlement system is set up. Instead of actually answering any substance, you and another poster merely called him names: “you’re just an Ayn Rand disciple”. That tells me you really have nothing much of substance to say - which you confirmed in a later post when you said: “I abstain from subscribing to any one in particular. I am an attorney and my work doesn’t require me get involved in economics
Indeed.
Of course, it’s unscientific.
Fine, then I will dismiss what you posted. What were you complaining earlier about someone calling a group of people an angry mob? Now you refer to a group of people as wanting to level a whole city and kill all the innocent people? A serious accusation with not citation whatsoever. To use your own words: “This post IMO is rather uncharitable”

Ishii
 
I stand corrected. It wasn’t ad hominem, it was inflammatory, and IMO unnecessary to portray taxation as confiscation, as loot, and the distribution as cronyism. It turns me, for one, off as to anything a writer using such terms might have to say that might be of value.
Hyperbole, probably. Not inflammatory.

Ishii
 
Instead of actually answering any substance, you and another poster merely called him names: “you’re just an Ayn Rand disciple”. That tells me you really have nothing much of substance to say - which you confirmed in a later post when you said: “I abstain from subscribing to any one in particular. I am an attorney and my work doesn’t require me get involved in economics
Indeed.
I’d love to be shown the specific post where I said, “you’re just an Ayn Rand disciple.” You can do that, can’t you?
Now you refer to a group of people as wanting to level a whole city and kill all the innocent people? A serious accusation with not citation whatsoever. To use your own words: “This post IMO is rather uncharitable”
Fine. You don’t have to take anything I say seriously any more than I ever take anything you say, on any subject, seriously. That includes whom to vote for and why, BTW. True, I have no citation, as the article which urged city busting of our enemy dates back to the beginning of the war. I don’t save those citations in anticipation of someone like you taking offense a decade after the fact.

Oh, yes, I believe that there is nothing too uncharitable when speaking of the people at the Ayn Rand Instutute. You are aware, or maybe you’re not, that the Institute is anti-Catholic, believes that altruism is wrong, and that anti-abortion, your hobbyhorse, is another foolish bit of altruism.
 
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I'd love to be shown the specific post where I said, "you're just an Ayn Rand disciple."  You can do that, can't you?
Now you’re just being disengenuous. Here you go:
You are responding to Atlas Shrugged 101 rantings inspired by the philosophy of Ayn Rand. What else do you expect? I keep telling people it’s infiltrated the conservative movement, but all the good Christians on this site seem to want to ignore it.

Scary if you ask me.
To bellasbane’s ad hominem, you responded -
Yes, I had it with that bunch when I read their suggestion that the way to deal with the war in Iraq (back then) was to level Baghdad and its other cities with carpet bombing sparing no one. They were serious as they always are.
True, I have no citation.
Which is why I dismissed your accusation. If you accuse people of wanting to carpet bomb a city, you should really provide a citation. Perhaps you hold yourself to a different standard?
Oh, yes, I believe that there is nothing too uncharitable when speaking of the people at the Ayn Rand Instutute. You are aware, or maybe you’re not, that the Institute is anti-Catholic, believes that altruism is wrong, and that anti-abortion, your hobbyhorse, is another foolish bit of altruism.
I assure you Rich, abortion for me is much more than my “hobby horse”. You are belittling a cause that I believe in very sincerely and deeply.

Ishii
 
Hobbyhorse: a topic to which one constantly reverts. No belittling anti-abortion.
I’m very aware of the meaning and how it is generally used.

Frankly, I never thought I would hear one Catholic claim abortion was the hobbyhorse of another Catholic.

But, there’s always a first time.🤷
 
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