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gilliam said:
A girl deserves to go to school
A boy deserves not to be used as a prostitute
A woman deserves to be treated above cattle

Either we believe the following, or we do not: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”
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I agree. And the father of the girl or boy and the husband of that woman should not cooperate in their enslavement.:mad:

But if they are not ready and willing to make those changes we cannot force it on them.
 
gilliam said:
A girl deserves to go to school
A boy deserves not to be used as a prostitute
A woman deserves to be treated above cattle

Either we believe the following, or we do not: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”
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That’s not the problem, though. How do we get them to that point? Is it our responsibility to try and reform the entire WORLD? Is it right to try and do this through our government, or should we be focused on missionary work - to take the Good News to all people?

As I said above, I know that everyone on the planet is God’s child and deserves freedom, and I believe that God puts that desire for freedom within each of us. But how do we go about sparking that desire in people like the most isolated tribal groups in Afghanistan? How do we liberate North Korea? The tribes in Africa? The Middle East?
 
TheRealJuliane said:
That’s not the problem, though. How do we get them to that point? Is it our responsibility to try and reform the entire WORLD?
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Uh, well, yes

Catechism section
[849](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/849.htm’)😉 The missionary mandate. “Having been divinely sent to the nations that she might be ‘the universal sacrament of salvation,’ the Church, in obedience to the command of her founder and because it is demanded by her own essential universality, strives to preach the Gospel to all men”:339 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and Lo, I am with you always, until the close of the age."340

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“This witness of life, however, is not the sole element in the apostolate; the true apostle is on the lookout for occasions of announcing Christ by word, either to unbelievers . . . or to the faithful”

You might also like to read:
renewalministries.net/files/freeliterature/the_laity_in_the_mission_of_the_church_2010.pdf
 
GEddie said:
I hope not!!!

Why can’t we all just get behind Mitt!!!
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Is it really hard for you to understand why other people have different political opinions than yours? Note the exclaimation marks you trailed behing your first comment and realize that you are not alone in being entitled to an opinion.
 
Jerry_Miah said:
My point is that voting the party that instigated that war into the White House is the wrong thing to do at this time.
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In your opinion, and according to your narrow definitions. I will say that the the Republican Party is also the party that won the cold war without firing a shot and decreased the threat of nuclear war. The Democrats started WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and attempted the invasion of Cuba which almost started WWIII. I guess when you get older, your memory gets longer.
 
Barack Obama wins 42 votes on this site? One can only imagine what kind of catastrophic failure his Presidency would have had to have been to open these folks’ eyes! :banghead: Rob
 
gilliam said:
Uh, well, yes

Catechism section
[849](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/849.htm’)😉 The missionary mandate. “Having been divinely sent to the nations that she might be ‘the universal sacrament of salvation,’ the Church, in obedience to the command of her founder and because it is demanded by her own essential universality, strives to preach the Gospel to all men”:339 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and Lo, I am with you always, until the close of the age."340

905
“This witness of life, however, is not the sole element in the apostolate; the true apostle is on the lookout for occasions of announcing Christ by word, either to unbelievers . . . or to the faithful”

You might also like to read:
renewalministries.net/files/freeliterature/the_laity_in_the_mission_of_the_church_2010.pdf
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Sure, but is the Church to do it by evangelization, or a civil state by a nonending armed struggle?

ICXC NIKA
 
pnewton said:
Is it really hard for you to understand why other people have different political opinions than yours? Note the exclaimation marks you trailed behing your first comment and realize that you are not alone in being entitled to an opinion.
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And I am likewise entitled to use as much !!! As I care to:):)🙂

I’ll admit I am not a fan of Paul, and ISTM that keeping the inter Republican fight going only strengthens BHO.

ICXC NIKA
 
Jerry_Miah said:
Please scroll up, I already answered you, and I think you are splitting hairs. Suffice to say that Bush1 decided to enter the Gulf War.
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Here are two of your posts in which you said the US under Republicans “started” the Gulf war:
Jerry_Miah said:
To call everybody who votes for Obama “ignorant” is a bit harsh. As I have mentioned above, what about sincere Catholics who vote for the War Party? Republicans have been eagerly starting immoral wars for about thirty years now.
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Jerry_Miah said:
two separate wars in Iraq, there is a strong moral argument to keep the Republican war party out of the White House. They look for and find any excuse to start a war that they can, regardless of the consequences.
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(my bold italics)

So now you are saying that the US “entered” the Gulf War and didn’t start it? I am familiar with the tactics that you are using on this thread - you throw so many accusations against someone or some group (in this case the GOP) so that its almost impossible to counter all of the accusations - its easier to just not comment. So what I’m doing is taking your wild, unfounded accusations one at a time, starting with the Gulf war. You said that the GOP started the war and that is evidence that the GOP likes to start wars, and therefore its immoral to vote for the GOP candidate. Clearly, you are wrong and its been demonstrated not just by me but by other posters who acknowlege that it was Saddham Hussein who started the war by invading Kuwait. There was a coalition of over 30 nations led by the US who successfully repelled the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, and the authorization to use force was supported by both Democrats and Republicans. This isn’t splitting hairs - if you are using the Gulf war as an example of the GOP starting a war then you are wrong and that calls into question your other assertions. If you are intellectually honest, you’d admit that you are wrong and that the GOP did not start the Gulf war.

Ishii
 
Santorum has 40% of the vote… On this forum, it should be 100%.

I’m just saying…

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One of the ways the believers and The Church ( the Catholic Church , not that other pretend entity that is trying by all means ,esp. political , to take the place of The Church ! ) helps persons to proclaim The Word and presence of Risen Christ in our
lives is by the lived faith of being able to live chaste , holy, dignified lives in truth !

Any polititian who enthusiastically promote values against such and still claim to be a ‘saint’ of The Church - well , we see the extent of that deception, through sites such as this - amycontrada.com/Romney_book.html

Good thing Santorum decided to jump in to the race , seeing it as duty and putting trust more in God than in money and organisation , having recognised the danger already evident through Romney care that only helped 2 % of the state , at far greater price to the whole populace who are now participants in the blood bath of abortion and contraception , at increased expense too !

Proclaiming the Risen Christ indeed !

Or is it procaliming that Mass . people and soon
the nation at large, are mere slaves to the god of sex and lust and greed - except ofcourse , a certain people , who are destined to become 'Gods ’ - whose fallen lust for sex and power will be called deceptively by other terms !

And what does that foretell of Romney’s business skills for the nation !

He might have done well , for his own !

But there is no guarantee that when it comes to serving a people who are seen as opposed to the system he is loyal to , it would serve the best interst of that people , who are the majority !

The above site makes it pretty clear !

Best scenario - like in Old Testament times , the Obama camp soon would bring out its arsenal at Romney and soon both sides would be at each other , leaving enough baggage that most of the people would wake up to see and sense the danger and accept the only safe , sane candidacy of Santorum whose minor infractions of oratorial skills and gaffes would be distant memory , esp. from more persons having seen him up close , not just on T.V , to see that there is a good , warm caring person there , with enough experience and integrity , no malice from possible demonisations caused by the unholy practice of invoking the dead which might explain to a great deal the policy mishaps that seem esp. threatening to Christain values and ways and very likely the economic health of the nation too !
 
So let me get this straight. The GOP establishment wants me to get behind the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama? ANd just to make things interesting, they throw in a guy who is having trouble getting the majority vote in his own home state and a guy who has been married 3 times and was kicked out of Congress for ethics violations? Super. :rolleyes:
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
So let me get this straight. The GOP establishment wants me to get behind the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama? ANd just to make things interesting, they throw in a guy who is having trouble getting the majority vote in his own home state and a guy who has been married 3 times and was kicked out of Congress for ethics violations? Super. :rolleyes:
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I can understand your frustration. For the record though, regarding Romney losing to McCain - this is not 2008. You could have used the same argument against Reagan in 1980 - he lost to Ford who lost to Carter. I would agree if Romney picks a dud for a vice president nominee and doesn’t take off the gloves, he will likely lose. Obama is very, very, vulnerable. We needn’t blow this election by nominating the guy w/ 3 wives or the guy who lost his own state by double digits.

Ishii
 
RACJ said:
Barack Obama wins 42 votes on this site? One can only imagine what kind of catastrophic failure his Presidency would have had to have been to open these folks’ eyes! :banghead: Rob
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Keep on bangin’ that head! 🙂
 
RACJ said:
Barack Obama wins 42 votes on this site? One can only imagine what kind of catastrophic failure his Presidency would have had to have been to open these folks’ eyes! :banghead: Rob
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They are blind, RACJ. They don’t see evil.

Ishii
 
He_Man said:
It is pretty obvious is debating this issue over the years that people who use this excuse simply don’t care that much about the issue of abortion. Oh, they will claim to, and claim mitigating circumstances to make they seem better in other people’s eyes, but in the end, they just don’t care as much as they should. The list of achievements for limiting abortion under Bush II is long and has been repeated many times, and the list of abortion rights expansion under Obama is verifiable, but since no Republican has managed to illegally use the Executive Branch to over turn law, they are called frauds. The attempts to limit or end abortion always seem to come from the right of the political spectrum. And yet if they fail, it is because conservatives don’t “do anything for abortion.” At least they are trying.

We did not fall into the cesspool of abortion over night. It began decades earlier. Yet we expect the complete opposite with the elimination of this practice. It makes no sense, is disingenuous, and simply an excuse to justify voting a certain way.
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in before anyone says this isn’t true and that they do care*
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You are largely correct–in prochoice, liberal New York, 41% of pregnancies end in abortion. What is driving these high numbers? The minority communities, specifically African American. True, about 20% of white pregnancies end in abortion, a high number in its own right. However, 60% of black pregnancies are aborted in New York City. :eek:

But you will never see Al Sharpton marching in the streets over that statistic.
 
oops, I thought it said who do you think will be president so I said Obama. I’m too tired. :D.

I’m very interested in the reasoning of people’s (particularly Catholics) who chose Obama for other reasons than mine. Not that I want to debate, I just want to know the reasoning.

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RACJ said:
Barack Obama wins 42 votes on this site? One can only imagine what kind of catastrophic failure his Presidency would have had to have been to open these folks’ eyes! :banghead: Rob
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Well you see, people like me voted for him (on this site :p). Keep in mind he’s the Democrat.😉
 
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