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Swiss_Guy
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Same here.
But either one is better than Obama because Romney’s base doesn’t support the Massachusetts Romney.
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But either one is better than Obama because Romney’s base doesn’t support the Massachusetts Romney.
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Bklynguy
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Carter’s approval rating was in the mid-30’s in September and Reagan was STILL trailing him in the polls. People don’t seem to remember that, in the beginning, Reagan wasn’t a very good candidate.
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Bklynguy
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I live in NY too. The networks could probably go out on a limb and call the state RIGHT NOW for Obama. The last time NY went Republican was during the Reagan landslide of 1984. And frankly, due to our national politics being very region-based as of late, I think it will be quite some time before NY is ever in play again.
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garyo49
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To me it isn’t really surprising, but I still don’t understand how they could. Catholics, we are talking here about one the of the most pro death persons in the history of this country. To me he makes the KKK look like the Girl Scouts. Catholics, were talking about someone that said that the first thing he would do when he took office (and kept his promise) was to make the death of innocents, innocents in the protection of their mothers womb, more accessable. Life begins at conception is an undeniable truth. Ask Jesus Christ.
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ishii
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How can Catholics vote for such a pro-abortion president such as Obama? I think the bottom line for many such catholics is that there is such a hatred of Republicans that has been ingrained in them for so many years such that any convincing argument in favor of voting for the Republican pro-life candidate is ignored. Or to put it another way, those catholics’ love for the statist, collectivist, redistributionist policies of pro-abortion politicians outweighs their own faith. Either way, its clear they are Democrat first, catholic second.
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Jeanne_S
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You nailed it!
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Swiss_Guy
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Last time Minnesota voted Republican was 1972!
Talk about a liberal state! It’s coming back toward the center now, but still definitely very liberal.
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CMatt25
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Ishii, “hatred” is a strong word. I don’t think a statement about “such Catholics” is warranted. Neither is it clear they are Catholic second.What is clear however is the Catholic Church has not come out and spelled out to their faithful that they must vote Republican or for Romney.
Instead the bishops warn the faithful that Catholic teaching is non partisan and in their revised version of their citizenship guide “say flatly that the document does not offer a voters guide, scorecard of issues, or direction on how to vote.”
usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-10-04/catholic-politics-election/50660710/1
Now yes politically Catholic conservatives will try to argue they would lose their tax exemption to tell their followers who to vote for. But surely a Church that is believed to speak the truth would not withhold it, if it was true Catholics in order to put their faith first, had to vote for Romney for POTUS. Surely the Church would not withhold the truth just to avoid paying taxes.
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ishii
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Maybe hatred is the wrong word, instead I should use “anti-” But I don’t know how else to explain why some catholics support the candidates who are for abortion on demand. The only explanation I can think of is that those people must be so committed to their liberal ideology and everything that goes with that, that they will raionalize their support for the pro-abortion candidates and engage in all sort of mental gymnastics to justify their position. Others are so anti-Republican that they can’t bring themselves to vote for the pro-life candidate if they’re Republican. I don’t expect you to agree with this, and of course this explanation probably falls short, but I don’t know how to explain any other way. I am not necessarily saying or everyone falls into these categories, but I believe it explains why a lot of catholics vote as they do.
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mary_bobo
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For whatever reason, the Church does not tell us for whom to vote. She has told us what the five non-negotiables are and it is difficult to explain why or how people can just this aside when voting. Additionally, the two parties are far different than they were forty or so years ago. The parties have changed so how can people who believed in either of them they way they were, now agree with them when they have different principles. Could it be that they are wedded to the party title, Democrat, Republican?
What is clear however is the Catholic Church has not come out and spelled out to their faithful that they must vote Republican or for Romney.
Instead the bishops warn the faithful that Catholic teaching is non partisan and in their revised version of their citizenship guide “say flatly that the document does not offer a voters guide, scorecard of issues, or direction on how to vote.”
usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2011-10-04/catholic-politics-election/50660710/1
Now yes politically Catholic conservatives will try to argue they would lose their tax exemption to tell their followers who to vote for. But surely a Church that is believed to speak the truth would not withhold it, if it was true Catholics in order to put their faith first, had to vote for Romney for POTUS. Surely the Church would not withhold the truth just to avoid paying taxes.
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GEddie
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Add to that, the Church holds to freedom of conscience. As such, it cannot order people around. All it will do is educate as to the issues and allow them to vote their conscience.
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stevegravy
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This is predictable:
Voting along the lines of the five non-negotiables vs voting my (at least what the “my” guy thinks) well-formed conscious instructs me to vote for. (In short I vote who I am emotionally engaged to vote for because logic and reason has nothing to do with it.) So, this road has been traveled down so much it is ludicrous to think it has any meaning.
So, vote for who you want because no reasoning will change the mind of a person who has NOT reasoned their way to a particular opinion, to paraphrase Ben Franklin. It the mean time lets also try to avaid all the political clichés shall we?
Republicans vs Democrats
R: Hate poor people
D: Wants class warfare
R: Want to starve women and children
D: Want to make every dependent on the government teat
R: Only favor the rich
D: Want to make everybody poor except Soros and Buffett and Hollywood types
R: Start all the wars
D: Make wars without congressional approval
R: Want to make war on Womyn
D: Want to kill children
R: Want to poison the earth
D: Want everybody to live in cold dark hovels
R: Wants race warfare
D: Wants race warfare
R: Favors big business, oil, pharma
D: Regulate everything back to the stone age
Voting along the lines of the five non-negotiables vs voting my (at least what the “my” guy thinks) well-formed conscious instructs me to vote for. (In short I vote who I am emotionally engaged to vote for because logic and reason has nothing to do with it.) So, this road has been traveled down so much it is ludicrous to think it has any meaning.
So, vote for who you want because no reasoning will change the mind of a person who has NOT reasoned their way to a particular opinion, to paraphrase Ben Franklin. It the mean time lets also try to avaid all the political clichés shall we?
Republicans vs Democrats
R: Hate poor people
D: Wants class warfare
R: Want to starve women and children
D: Want to make every dependent on the government teat
R: Only favor the rich
D: Want to make everybody poor except Soros and Buffett and Hollywood types
R: Start all the wars
D: Make wars without congressional approval
R: Want to make war on Womyn
D: Want to kill children
R: Want to poison the earth
D: Want everybody to live in cold dark hovels
R: Wants race warfare
D: Wants race warfare
R: Favors big business, oil, pharma
D: Regulate everything back to the stone age
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mary_bobo
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Indeed.
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Luigi_Daniele
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You forgotThis is predictable:
Voting along the lines of the five non-negotiables vs voting my (at least what the “my” guy thinks) well-formed conscious instructs me to vote for. (In short I vote who I am emotionally engaged to vote for because logic and reason has nothing to do with it.) So, this road has been traveled down so much it is ludicrous to think it has any meaning.
So, vote for who you want because no reasoning will change the mind of a person who has NOT reasoned their way to a particular opinion, to paraphrase Ben Franklin. It the mean time lets also try to avaid all the political clichés shall we?
Republicans vs Democrats
R: Hate poor people
D: Wants class warfare
R: Want to starve women and children
D: Want to make every dependent on the government teat
R: Only favor the rich
D: Want to make everybody poor except Soros and Buffett and Hollywood types
R: Start all the wars
D: Make wars without congressional approval
R: Want to make war on Womyn
D: Want to kill children
R: Want to poison the earth
D: Want everybody to live in cold dark hovels
R: Wants race warfare
D: Wants race warfare
R: Favors big business, oil, pharma
D: Regulate everything back to the stone age
R Prolife platform
D No such platform, and are as a party pro-abortion
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Swiss_Guy
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My results:
Social Issues: 75% Conservative, 25% Liberal
Personal Responsibility: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
Fiscal Issues: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Ethics: 50% Conservative, 50% Liberal
Defense and Crime: 25% Conservative, 75% Liberal
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Caldera
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After a good night’s sleep I tried again and came up with the exact same answers. I’m 80% conservative, and 20% liberal…but I won’t show the breakdown.
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Roselle
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At this point I’m in favor of Mitt Romney being the next President. I feel he would do a better job in the White House than Obama has.
What concerns me most about Obama is his belief in the country going further into debt, giving fewer opportunities for young workers in particular. The world is changing, but Obama believes he can hold back the tide. I thought this was a nice article about the current President’s mind set.
“Obama Nails His Blue Colors to the Mast”
blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/04/07/obama-nails-his-blue-colors-to-the-mast/
What concerns me most about Obama is his belief in the country going further into debt, giving fewer opportunities for young workers in particular. The world is changing, but Obama believes he can hold back the tide. I thought this was a nice article about the current President’s mind set.
“Obama Nails His Blue Colors to the Mast”
blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/04/07/obama-nails-his-blue-colors-to-the-mast/
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ishii
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Interesting article. The Republicans have come up with a budget that addresses our looming fiscal crisis. Obama criticizes their plan but offers nothing as an alternative. States, even blue states are reforming, but Washington DC is not. I am reminded of what Chris Christie said in a town hall meeting to a liberal in the audience demanding more funding for education: “Unlike the federal govt., the state of New Jersey can’t just print money.” The federal government can also raise revenue by taxing. Its like a person in debt getting more credit cards - the more debt, the more credit card applications come in the mail, and the debt piles up - until the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. That is what the Republicans are addressing - agree or disagree with their plan but atleaset they have one. Obama/Democrat party’s complete lack of a plan shows how irresponsible they are. Their seemingly never ending appetite for more and more spending shows how much they care about future generations. It wouldn’t be responsible of me to run up $200,000 in credit card debt and force my children to pay it. Yet that is in effect what Obama is doing to this country. I think this represents a great campaign issue for Romney. Families who have a budget and try to operate within their budget would understand the issue and it would resonate, I think.
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