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Dr. Ron Paul

Unless we are in some sort of weird time warp/twilight zone… the convention has not happened and there is no nominee yet. A majority of delegates have not even been pledged yet!

The nominee is decided at the convention, not by Rupert Murdoch.

Furthermore,
From a Catholic POV, Dr. Paul represents us the best!
Why is he left out of this Poll?
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Vangaurdian said:
Dr. Ron Paul

Unless we are in some sort of weird time warp/twilight zone… the convention has not happened and there is no nominee yet. A majority of delegates have not even been pledged yet!

The nominee is decided at the convention, not by Rupert Murdoch.

Furthermore,
From a Catholic POV, Dr. Paul represents us the best!
Why is he left out of this Poll?
:confused:
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With all due respect, Dr. Paul will not be on the ballot unless he runs as a third party. He has said he will not do this. It would be so much more relevant to discuss what the probablilies are than what we might preferl.
 
With all due respect, Dr. Paul will not be on the ballot unless he runs as a third party. He has said he will not do this. It would be so much more relevant to discuss what the probablilies are than what we might preferl.
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I have no problem if you want to believe the pure fantasy that the nomination has already happened. Please stay home on convention day.
Kick back and watch some more fox news.
Enjoy yourself.

Me?
I might just be at the convention. I know for a fact that a lot of people just like me might be there too.
😉

Care to take a guess who we might vote for?

Just because fox news “prefer” Dr. Paul to not be on the ballot does not make it so.
Again, the convention decides the nominee, not the bias’ of the media.
 
Vangaurdian said:
I have no problem if you want to believe the pure fantasy that the nomination has already happened. Please stay home on convention day.
Kick back and watch some more fox news.
Enjoy yourself.

Me?
I might just be at the convention. I know for a fact that a lot of people just like me might be there too.
😉

Care to take a guess who we might vote for?

Just because fox news “prefer” Dr. Paul to not be on the ballot does not make it so.
Again, the convention decides the nominee, not the bias’ of the media.
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How many delegates does Ron Paul have now? How many states has he won? Did he even come in second in a state? Indulge your fantasy if you want. As for me, I will deal with political reality rather than political fairy tales.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Indulge your fantasy if you want. As for me, I will deal with political reality rather than political fairy tales.

Ishii
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Great!
At least you acknowledge political reality, and the reality is that the nominee has not been decided yet.
👍

So if you want to pretend that it’s a done deal, fine. No problem!
I just happen to prefer reality,

As far as delegates count goes, I might just be one of them…
Want to guess who I’m voting for?

Dr. Paul is Pro Life & anti-war (you cannot get much more aligned with Catholics than that). I betcha that we pick up a lot of Pro Life Santorum delegates come convention time, just like we are now doing at the State level.

Brokered Tampa here we come!
😃
 
Vangaurdian said:
Great!
At least you acknowledge political reality, and the reality is that the nominee has not been decided yet.
👍

So if you want to pretend that it’s a done deal, fine. No problem!
I just happen to prefer reality,

As far as delegates count goes, I might just be one of them…
Want to guess who I’m voting for?

Dr. Paul is Pro Life & anti-war (you cannot get much more aligned with Catholics than that). I betcha that we pick up a lot of Pro Life Santorum delegates come convention time, just like we are now doing at the State level.

Brokered Tampa here we come!
😃
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So you think Paul will win the nomination in a brokered convention? I am sure that most of the Santorum delegates will understand that Romney represents the best chance to stop Obama and so will go to Romney. When it becomes official that Romney is the nominee will you support him over Obama?

Ishii
 
Actually, I’ve worked with the Santorum campaign a bit. They recognize that Romney is not all that different from Obama.

On all these items, Obama/Romney share the same stance:
Patriot Act
Do not fully support 2nd Amendment
Do not fully support 9th and 10 Amendments
Do not follow strict adherence to the US Constitution
Do not require Congressional War Declaration
Have not drafted Proposed Balanced Budget
Support NAFTA
Supported TARP/Bank Bailouts
Support Federal War on Drugs
Supports NDAA 2012
Influenced by lobbyists
Military aid to Foreign Counties
War mongering
Indefinite Detention…
The list goes on and on

Most significant is the abortion issue
How many Catholics actually believe Romeny is Pro Life?

Santorum people are not as dumb as you seem to be implying.

To answer your question,
As a duly elected delegate I am honor bound to support my party… but seriously, is there any difference should your fantasy come to be? What is the difference between Romney and Obama?

Having answered your theoretical scenario,
So when Dr. Paul becomes the official nominee will you support him over Obama?

Be honest.

😃
 
ishii said:
So you think Paul will win the nomination in a brokered convention? I am sure that most of the Santorum delegates will understand that Romney represents the best chance to stop Obama and so will go to Romney. When it becomes official that Romney is the nominee will you support him over Obama?

Ishii
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Will I support the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama? Probably not. But I think my opinion is pretty well known that it really doesn’t make a different who runs and who wins. The kingmakers of the country determine who sits in the Oval Office, and whoever that person is usually acts to the detriment of We the People.
 
Vangaurdian said:
Actually, I’ve worked with the Santorum campaign a bit. They recognize that Romney is not all that different from Obama.

On all these items, Obama/Romney share the same stance:
Patriot Act
Do not fully support 2nd Amendment
Do not fully support 9th and 10 Amendments
Do not follow strict adherence to the US Constitution
Do not require Congressional War Declaration
Have not drafted Proposed Balanced Budget
Support NAFTA
Supported TARP/Bank Bailouts
Support Federal War on Drugs
Supports NDAA 2012
Influenced by lobbyists
Military aid to Foreign Counties
Indefinite Detention…
The list goes on and on

Most significant is the abortion issue
How many Catholics actually believe Romeny is pro-life?

Santorum people are not as dumb as you seem to be implying.

So when Dr. Paul becomes the official nominee will you support him over Obama?
😃
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I’ve sent you a PM regarding over-zealous advocacy for a specific candidate. Please feel free to discuss with me in private if you have any questions.
 
Vangaurdian said:
What is the difference between Romney and Obama?
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One signed into law an overreaching healthcare mandate forcing every citizen to buy the government regulated health insurance… The other one is now the president.
 
Thanks for your comments.
Vangaurdian said:
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Actually, I've worked with the Santorum campaign a bit.  They recognize that Romney is not all that different from Obama.
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You’re wrong of course - they are way different. See my comments in red below:
Vangaurdian said:
On all these items, Obama/Romney share the same stance:
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Patriot Act So did Santorum
Do not fully support 2nd Amendment Have you checked all of Santorum’s votes in congress? Do not fully support 9th and 10 Amendments
Do not follow strict adherence to the US Constitution How about Santorum?
Do not require Congressional War Declaration Neither does Santorum.
Have not drafted Proposed Balanced Budget Has Santorum?
Support NAFTA So did Santorum.
Supported TARP/Bank Bailouts
Support Federal War on Drugs So did Santorum.
Supports NDAA 2012
Influenced by lobbyists So was Santorum.
Military aid to Foreign Counties So did Santorum.
War mongering puh-leeze.
Indefinite Detention… Santorum?
The list goes on and on
Vangaurdian said:
Most significant is the abortion issue
How many Catholics actually believe Romeny is Pro Life?
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He will nominate constructionist justices.
Vangaurdian said:
Santorum people are not as dumb as you seem to be implying.
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See my comments in red, above. Apparently you are not familiar with Santorum much. According to your standard, Santorum is similar to Obama as well yet you support Santorum and not Romney. Why the double standard?
Vangaurdian said:
To answer your question,
As a duly elected delegate I am honor bound to support my party
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Good, then you will vote for Romney in the general election over Obama. (whew!)

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Vangaurdian said:
… but seriously, is there any difference should your fantasy come to be? What is the difference between Romney and Obama?
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Yes there are many big differences:

Obama - war on Catholic church
Romney - no war on catholic church.

Obama - continue Obama care
Romney - sign the repeal of Obama care.

Obama - more out of control federal spending/deficits
Romney - supports the Ryan budget.

Obama - gave us justice Elena Kagan
Romney - will nominate justices in mold of Scalia/Alito

just a few examples for you.
Vangaurdian said:
Having answered your theoretical scenario,
So when Dr. Paul becomes the official nominee will you support him over Obama?
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Momentarily accepting your fantasy premise, I would support Ron Paul in a heartbeat over Obama. Might even volunteer - he’d need it. But it would likely be in vain as Obama would probably win in a landslide over Ron Paul.

Ishii
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Will I support the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama? Probably not. But I think my opinion is pretty well known that it really doesn’t make a different who runs and who wins. The kingmakers of the country determine who sits in the Oval Office, and whoever that person is usually acts to the detriment of We the People.
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So we should throw in the towel and move to the compound in Montana or Idaho? Get there before the black helicopters catch us?

Ishii
 
ishii said:
So we should throw in the towel and move to the compound in Montana or Idaho? Get there before the black helicopters catch us?

Ishii
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You have a compound in Montana too? Wait, don’t answer that, they are watching.
 
Vangaurdian said:
Great!
At least you acknowledge political reality, and the reality is that the nominee has not been decided yet.
👍

So if you want to pretend that it’s a done deal, fine. No problem!
I just happen to prefer reality,

As far as delegates count goes, I might just be one of them…
Want to guess who I’m voting for?

Dr. Paul is Pro Life & anti-war (you cannot get much more aligned with Catholics than that). I betcha that we pick up a lot of Pro Life Santorum delegates come convention time, just like we are now doing at the State level.

Brokered Tampa here we come!
😃
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Perhaps you should have watched the debates. If you had you would have known that Santorum went after Paul BIG TIME especially about Iran. If you really think that his supporters will switch to Ron Paul rather than Romney, you are really mistaken!
 
JMJSHJ said:
Perhaps you should have watched the debates. If you had you would have known that Santorum went after Paul BIG TIME especially about Iran. If you really think that his supporters will switch to Ron Paul rather than Romney, you are really mistaken!
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Colorado Republicans split delegate votes between Romney, unified Paul and Santorum supporters

Colorado Republicans are heading to their national convention with their most conservative delegation in years, as supporters for Ron Paul and Rick Santorum masterminded a stunning upset in electing delegates.

At the state convention in Denver today, Paul forces easily were the most vocal, adding their candidate’s name at almost every opportunity. When Republicans sang “Hey, hey, hey, good-bye” to President Barack Obama, Paul backers changed the words to “Hey, hey, hey, Ron Paul.”

The momentum was painful for Mitt Romney supporters, who had assumed when Santorum dropped out of the presidential race this week they’d have a much easier time in winning Colorado’s delegate and alternate seats to the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August.

Instead, some of the Santorum’s supporters united with Paul’s backers to form the “Conservative Unity Slate” to win a slew of delegate slots. Four years ago, only one Paul supporter was elected to attend the national convention.

Read more: Colorado Republicans split delegate votes between Romney, unified Paul and Santorum supporters - The Denver Post denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_20398638/politics#ixzz1sD79wRyS

🤷 So much for the “Ron Paul/Mitt Romney” alliance everyone was blabbering about.
 
LOL,

Beat me to it.

Guess my thread on this topic will be deleted shortly, so I’ll copy paste my comments here. Even though it is an interesting stand alone topic.
And some here insist that Romney has already won.
They are free to believe their fox-induced fantasy.
Though I would advise that they take a break from the mass media, and actually participate. If they choose to do so they are in for a refreshing awakening.

Some also insist that Santorum supporters will fall in line with the fox news fantasy.
They are wrong.

Guess what, out in the real world, where people actually meet each other at the conventions and talk, and exchange their own ideas…
It turns out your average Santorum supporter is a lot smarter than fox news gives them credit for.
 
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