Our thoughts are controlled

[DBT]

We are of the “natural” order. Our thoughts are a product of that. Certainly the “supernatural” comes into play from time to time . . . in the form of inspiration through the Holy Spirit and temptation from the Devil. But things are not as black and white as what is being presented by the OP . . . otherwise the Saints and theologians would not have spilled so much ink on the role and importance of discernment. And, of course, there’s the whole issue of free will which is completely lost in this equation.

When we read mystics like St. John of the Cross, we see that much of the work-of-the-work of the spiritual life is conforming our thoughts (and feelings) to the Divine ideal. None of that would be necessary if only the supernatural was at work. Or if free will had no place.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Our thoughts are ours and ours alone. They can be influenced. They can be tempted. However, the decision to control them is a thought in of itself. It is autonomy. It is controlled by neither Holy Spirit or the Devil.

It is Man’s.

Tis truly ironic for you to implore people to ‘contemplate’ yet claim that it’s either the Holy Spirit or the Devil doing the contemplating for us.

Where’s your proof (biblical reference) that our thoughts are ours alone? You doubt that Satan and the Holy Spirit can put thoughts into our head? I think you’re pretty much alone here!

Don’t confuse “thinking” with thoughts. Again, go back to my earlier post where I use an analogy to suggest that the thoughts brought about by “thinking” may indeed come from afar.What does it really mean to “think?” Is it really our own, or do our resulting thoughts and desires come from God or Satan?

I encourage you to “think” and contemplate things a little more before writing things off here.

 

[Robert_Sock]

We are of the “natural” order. Our thoughts are a product of that. Certainly the “supernatural” comes into play from time to time . . . in the form of inspiration through the Holy Spirit and temptation from the Devil. But things are not as black and white as what is being presented by the OP . . . otherwise the Saints and theologians would not have spilled so much ink on the role and importance of discernment. And, of course, there’s the whole issue of free will which is completely lost in this equation.

When we read mystics like St. John of the Cross, we see that much of the work-of-the-work of the spiritual life is conforming our thoughts (and feelings) to the Divine ideal. None of that would be necessary if only the supernatural was at work. Or if free will had no place.

As I stated several time before, I agree in free will in that we choose which thoughts to focus on.

I like Saint John of the Cross and his work on discernment of whether thoughts, desires and behavior is based on the love of God or the envy of Satan. God is awesome, and I urge you to consider giving credit where credit is due.

We are as much spiritual beings as we are human beings! The human mind, not the brain, is spiritual in nature. The mind is the Temple of God! The mind is a gift of God which we surrender back to Him upon leaving this lowly world. It’s the mind that will experience either eternal happiness and joy or eternal doom and dread!

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Where’s your proof (biblical reference) that our thoughts are ours alone? You doubt that Satan and the Holy Spirit can put thoughts into our head? I think you’re pretty much alone here!

Asking me to cite the Bible for evidence of human thinking is like asking me to find proof of evolution in the Koran.

Use your common sense. Don’t tell me you pray to your guardian angel to answer your math test for you.

Here’s another simple example. I’m building a model (airplane, cruiser, spaceship, mecha even) and the instruction manual’s in Japanese. Do I pray to God to fill my head with instructions? No. I just look at the illustrations that tell me where this or that knickknack goes. I calculate and analyze the shapes. I carefully prod this and there to test poseable pieces. All of this, I do on my own.

Don’t confuse “thinking” with thoughts. Again, go back to my earlier post where I use an analogy to suggest that the thoughts brought about by “thinking” may indeed come from afar.What does it really mean to “think?” Is it really our own, or do our resulting thoughts and desires come from God or Satan?

You obviously regard any metaphysical object that doesn’t fit under religion as earthly and not worthy of being called ‘thought’.

Thoughts are provoked by a lot of things and processed in a lot of ways. You process thoughts when presented with a science pop quiz. You process thoughts when you’re cooking. You process thoughts when planning the quickest route to your school/office.

One of the greatest gifts from God and the one thing that makes humans something more than an animal is our capacity to think. We are autonomous, sentient, and capable of having a will of our own (which, you did not address, is also a thinking process in of itself as well choice being a thought in of itself).

Sure some thoughts are simple, some are mundane, some are simply for purpose of function but they are thoughts nonetheless.

You are trying to enforce a dichotomy among a vast spectrum of human thinking. Hence, you are the most anti-philosophical ‘spiritual’ Catholic I have ever come across as of now. You are trying to attribute every single thought in the history of human existence to outside beings as if we’re just toy puppets for them to manipulate and fight over.

I encourage you to “think” and contemplate things a little more before writing things off here.

You don’t have a right to give an advice like that when you basically cast off all responsibility for thinking to magical beings .

 

[onenow1]

This is the most ironic statement I have seen yet and back it up with numerous of the most anti-philosophical posts on this thread, I can only say this whole discussion is the worst example I’ve expected from ‘spiritual’ Catholics.

Are you aware that the act of choosing is a thought in of itself? So hence, if such an act belonged to another entity, then it’s not ours. Autonomy is a myth and our salvation is dependent on outside forces rather than a decision that is our own.

You cannot say that my thoughts are controlled yet claim that free will, which is a thought in of itself, still isn’t. Furthermore, to attribute people’s thoughts entirely to outside forces strips them of accountability.

“I raped a 13-year-old girl because I was possessed!”
“He blew himself up because Allah told him to!”

You sir are presenting the line of thinking responsible for the erroneous (if not blasphemous) caricatures secularists and liberals concoct about religion.

Over a hundred years ago man learned how to make dynamite. His original intention for its use was solely for the mine and the quarry. In fact, his invention succeeded and many placed orders for it.

He did not foresee that it would also be used to make bombs and cause the deaths of many.

Over a thousand years ago, man learned how to craft knives and spears from mere rock. Such weapons were originally intended to aid man in the hunt of woolly mammoths and in defense against sabre-toothed smilodons. In fact, they did just that.

Decades later it was used against man himself by other men. The hunting tools became the first weapons of war.

When men first discovered medicine, they enhanced the quality of life. Such healing power however, prompted men to fight and wage war over its supplies.

And let’s not just stop at scientific endeavor, let’s throw religion in as well.

In the early days of the Church, when Christians just began its mission of evangelizing, they believed they were preaching a message of love and hope.

Fast forward to the start of the 19th century that same religion was now being used to justify imperialism in Europe’s colonies of Asia, Africa as well as North and South America. I myself, despite being a conservative Catholic Filipino, will never forget the atrocities committed by corrupt Spanish friars and how it was through the manipulation of a pro-Spanish bishop who ensured the execution of our national hero.

All I’ve presented to you are thoughts. Inventions were conceived with only the good in mind. They did not foresee how they can be put to use in evil ways. Strangely enough however, the good in which they were originally intended for truly did deliver. Dynamite did make rock mining easier; the first knives and spears did ensure the survival of early man; and medicine really did save many ailing brothers and sisters from the clutches of death.

In that regard, you claim the thoughts conceived were of the Holy Spirit. However, what about during times when they were used in the service of evil? Has it all of a sudden became a product of the devil and we should thus, shun it?

Here is were your faux-spiritual dichotomy breaks apart.

Our thoughts are ours and ours alone. They can be influenced. They can be tempted. However, the decision to control them is a thought in of itself. It is autonomy. It is controlled by neither Holy Spirit or the Devil.

It is Man’s.

Tis truly ironic for you to implore people to ‘contemplate’ yet claim that it’s either the Holy Spirit or the Devil doing the contemplating for us.

Hi, LW

Fits perfectly when God told Cain this:Genesis 4:6 The LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen?
7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is couching at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

God Bless
onenow

 

[DBT]

I like Saint John of the Cross and his work on discernment of whether thoughts, desires and behavior is based on the love of God or the envy of Satan. God is awesome, and I urge you to consider giving credit where credit is due.

I do give credit where credit is due . . . but what you are saying, imo, is not in conformity to the teaching of this Saint or any other St. John of the Cross is extremely cautious in assuming the influence of the supernatural in our thoughts and feelings. Much of his teaching is explicitly devoted to rejecting our assumption of that.

I think words fail to communicate when we get into issues like this which is the great lament of the Saints when trying to describe matters like this. The way you describe it, it sounds like we are just puppets in some Greek tragedy . . . one minute our string is being yanked by Zeus, the next by Hades. I’m sure you don’t mean it that way, though.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Asking me to cite the Bible for evidence of human thinking is like asking me to find proof of evolution in the Koran.

Use your common sense. Don’t tell me you pray to your guardian angel to answer your math test for you.

Here’s another simple example. I’m building a model (airplane, cruiser, spaceship, mecha even) and the instruction manual’s in Japanese. Do I pray to God to fill my head with instructions? No. I just look at the illustrations that tell me where this or that knickknack goes. I calculate and analyze the shapes. I carefully prod this and there to test poseable pieces. All of this, I do on my own.
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Give credit where credit is due; all knowledge ultimately comes from God. Your understanding those instructions is a spiritual gift, thanks to God. What we do with that gift is a free will on our part, and will determine whether we go to Heaven or Hell. There is nothing in the human mind that is not spiritual, whether it be a gift of God or the evil intention of Satan.

All knowledge comes from God. All chicanery comes from Satan. We are lowly beings here on earth. It is wise to be humble.

Odd that another poster was able to find biblical evidence for my position. I encourage you to read it.
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Again, all thoughts must ultimately originate from either God or Satan, regardless of how we acquired the thought here on earth. It’s God, and God alone, who is all knowing and imparts His knowledge to whom He chooses. And again, give God the credit for the gift of your mind. Help keep His Holy Temple clean and void of all the evils of Satan.

You don’t have a right to give an advice like that when you basically cast off all responsibility for thinking to magical beings .
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Are you calling the Most Blessed Trinity a “magical being?”

 

[Robert_Sock]

I do give credit where credit is due . . . but what you are saying, imo, is not in conformity to the teaching of this Saint or any other St. John of the Cross is extremely cautious in assuming the influence of the supernatural in our thoughts and feelings. Much of his teaching is explicitly devoted to rejecting our assumption of that.

But I agree with Saint John of The Cross that we must discern the origination of our thoughts and desires, which is no easy task. Nowhere does Saint John of the cross tell us that our thoughts and desires are not of spiritual origin! If you can back up what you’re saying with a quote, that would be most appreciated.

I think words fail to communicate when we get into issues like this which is the great lament of the Saints when trying to describe matters like this. The way you describe it, it sounds like we are just puppets in some Greek tragedy . . . one minute our string is being yanked by Zeus, the next by Hades. I’m sure you don’t mean it that way, though.

Do you believe that we are in a constant spiritual struggle between the Good of God and the evils of Satan. It’s quoted in the New Testament that Satan never sleeps! In other words, we are continually under attack. What is that attack if not thoughts and desires?

 

[DBT]

But I agree with Saint John of The Cross that we must discern the origination of our thoughts and desires, which is no easy task. Nowhere does Saint John of the cross tell us that our thoughts and desires are not of spiritual origin! If you can back up what you’re saying with a quote, that would be most appreciated.

I think language is the problem here which often fails in matters mystical. I think where folks have the problem with what you’re saying has to do with what you mean by origin of thought vs conformity of thought. The use of the word “controlled” doesn’t help.

To answer your question, I’d look first to the entirety of Book Two of “The Ascent of Mount Carmel” which is basically a rejection of the assumption that what we experience is supernatural in origination . . . at least in the majority of cases. Doesn’t matter if what were talking about are visions, locutions, spiritual feelings, inspirations or just good old fashioned every day thoughts. The great shipwreck of the false mystic is to baptize all that we experience as the work of the supernatural. It is a high act of faith to set these assumptions aside, which is St. John’s whole point.

And, yes, we are in a contant struggle between good and evil . . . but it is a matter of conformity and less of origin. The entire concept of union with God as our Saints teach is a matter of confomity of wills . . . and one characteristic of the spiritual marriage/transforming union is when the two wills are habitually in sync. So we are united in “likeness” not “substance.” And the “likeness” is perfection in love.

 

[Robert_Sock]

I think language is the problem here which often fails in matters mystical. I think where folks have the problem with what you’re saying has to do with what you mean by origin of thought vs conformity of thought. The use of the word “controlled” doesn’t help.

What I’m talking about is origin of thoughts, and conformity of thought as the part of free will. My use of the word “controlled” was used in the cases of supernatural influence (e.g., temptation and grace).

To answer your question, I’d look first to the entirety of Book Two of “The Ascent of Mount Carmel” which is basically a rejection of the assumption that what we experience is supernatural in origination . . . at least in the majority of cases. Doesn’t matter if what were talking about are visions, locutions, spiritual feelings, inspirations or just good old fashioned every day thoughts. The great shipwreck of the false mystic is to baptize all that we experience as the work of the supernatural. It is a high act of faith to set these assumptions aside, which is St. John’s whole point.

I still feel that Saint John of The Cross never questions that thoughts and desires are being caused by either God or Satan. Again I come back to the notion of our mind as the Spiritual Temple of God. All the thoughts and desires that occurs there are supernatural in their origin.

And, yes, we are in a contant struggle between good and evil . . . but it is a matter of conformity and less of origin. The entire concept of union with God as our Saints teach is a matter of confomity of wills . . . and one characteristic of the spiritual marriage/transforming union is when the two wills are habitually in sync. So we are united in “likeness” not “substance.” And the “likeness” is perfection in love.

I agree! Now we’re talking about conformity as free will. We choose which thoughts and desires to focus our attention upon.

 

[DBT]

What I’m talking about is origin of thoughts, and conformity of thought as the part of free will. My use of the word “controlled” was used in the cases of supernatural influence (e.g., temptation and grace).

Sounds muddled to me . . . but I’ll take one more shot.

We are natural beings and our thoughts, by and large, are of the natural order . . . that is, they’re part of us. That is why theologians spend so much time describing the faculties of the soul - intellect, will, memory, imagination etc - where thoughts and feelings originate and are processed by us into action. Conformity comes into play when we choose to align our thoughts/feelings to the Divine ideal . . . the work of becoming holy. Thus we become “like” God but always seperate and distinct from Him because we are of a different nature. This wouldn’t seem to be the case if all we experienced in our thoughts was purely supernatural. And we are not controlled by the supernatural . . . but we cooperate with it through our “yes.” The essence of free will.

And none of this is in conflict with the idea of our minds and hearts being spiritual temples . . . of course they are!

 

[Robert_Sock]

We are natural beings and our thoughts, by and large, are of the natural order . . . that is, they’re part of us.

Your term “by and large” seems ambiguous to me. Either our thoughts are of the natural order or they are not. I contend they they are not … that they ultimately originate from afar.

That is why theologians spend so much time describing the faculties of the soul - intellect, will, memory, imagination etc - where thoughts and feelings originate and are processed by us into action.

The use of the term “originate” seems ambiguous to me. That is, you seem to be suggesting that or thoughts and feeling originate from within the brain. Again, if this is the case, I disagree. It is my contention that our thoughts and feeling are supernatural in origin, and are more than the simple by product of the brain (see post #7).

Conformity comes into play when we choose to align our thoughts/feelings to the Divine ideal . . . the work of becoming holy.

I agree here.

Thus we become “like” God but always seperate and distinct from Him because we are of a different nature.

We are two natures. The body (brain) is natural but the mind/soul is supernatural (i.e., relating to or attributed to phenomena that cannot be explained by natural laws). This is where I think we disagree!

This wouldn’t seem to be the case if all we experienced in our thoughts was purely supernatural. And we are not controlled by the supernatural . . . but we cooperate with it through our “yes.” The essence of free will.

This seems muddled to me. But yes, free will does come in to play when we choose to be righteous.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

Give credit where credit is due; all knowledge ultimately comes from God. Your understanding those instructions is a spiritual gift, thanks to God. What we do with that gift is a free will on our part, and will determine whether we go to Heaven or Hell. There is nothing in the human mind that is not spiritual, whether it be a gift of God or the evil intention of Satan.

Nowhere did I deny that God is the creator of all things. However, that doesn’t mean everything in all of creation possesses some high moral or spiritual value. Take, for instance, a rock that I just picked out from the side of the dirt road. By itself, what is it really? Nothing. It’s neither good or evil. It’s neither holy or demonic. It’s just a rock, a plain, simple, worthless piece of stone.

Now let’s move on to an example with an actual thought. Take for instance, I decide to mix a cup of coffee. Where’s the spirituality in there? I’m just mixing a cup of coffee and following along the mental, routine instructions as I’ve always have. Such thoughts bear little to no significance compared to the rest of the more meaningful things I do in my life.

Again, all thoughts must ultimately originate from either God or Satan, regardless of how we acquired the thought here on earth. It’s God, and God alone, who is all knowing and imparts His knowledge to whom He chooses. And again, give God the credit for the gift of your mind. Help keep His Holy Temple clean and void of all the evils of Satan.

You use the adjective ‘ultimately’ yet you don’t seem to grasp the complex chain it implies. Some thoughts which are deemed morally evil (greed, lust, envy) and morally virtuous (love, courage, nobility) can be attributed to spiritual beings. They can, after all, influence us. However, you forget that those matters, high as they may be, aren’t the only ones governing the game called Life. They may be the highest and the most ultimate reasons for actions, beliefs etc but somewhere there are things in the middle, in transition that bear a neutrality you so vehemently deny. Take for instance, thoughts/thought processes requiring the capacity of intelligence: calculative analysis, business strategy, military tactics, mathematical formulas. Do these things have an inherent spiritual value? How can they when they can be utilized for the services of both good and evil?

This isn’t even considering the fact that atrocities have been done in the name of virtuous ideas or how seemingly good thoughts and mentalities are utilized for evil intentions.

Are you calling the Most Blessed Trinity a “magical being?”

I said it for effect because I find dangerous similarities between the things you say with the things said by ancient pagans to justify fatalism and predestination.

 

[MtnDwellar]

That’s correct, our thoughts are not our own, but the product of Satan or the Holy Spirit! Contemplate the implications!

Do you think that the thoughts are imparted into our brains? Are the thoughts chosen by us?

How about when I haven’t eaten and I think that I am hungry? From God? What about when I take a breath? It takes a subconscious thought to inhale and exhale? God again? I think that it is. What about all of the (name removed by moderator)ut received by our senses and transferred to and interpreted by our brains? Does God tell us that feels hot, painful, soothing, etc? What about visual and audio (name removed by moderator)uts? That could explain somethings like visionaries… Hmmm. There are some implications!

Christ told us that the Father was in Him and He was in us. What do you think Christ is doing in there?? I’ll bet that He is not just lazing around. He is actively guiding us. We are all part of one body. Does one body have more than one mind?

How does Satan get a hand in the thoughts? Our bodies are temples for the Holy Spirit. Satan must be somewhere close by

 

[Robert_Sock]

Do you think that the thoughts are imparted into our brains? Are the thoughts chosen by us?

How about when I haven’t eaten and I think that I am hungry? From God? What about when I take a breath? It takes a subconscious thought to inhale and exhale? God again? I think that it is. What about all of the (name removed by moderator)ut received by our senses and transferred to and interpreted by our brains? Does God tell us that feels hot, painful, soothing, etc? What about visual and audio (name removed by moderator)uts? That could explain somethings like visionaries… Hmmm. There are some implications!

Christ told us that the Father was in Him and He was in us. What do you think Christ is doing in there?? I’ll bet that He is not just lazing around. He is actively guiding us. We are all part of one body. Does one body have more than one mind?

How does Satan get a hand in the thoughts? Our bodies are temples for the Holy Spirit. Satan must be somewhere close by

You raise some good points that you seem to answer according to my “thoughts.” Let me clarify your first statement by saying that thoughts are imparted into our mind, not our brain! Yes, we do choose which ones to focus our limited attention on. And yes, our thoughts are controlled by such supernatural phenomena as temptations and forgetting.

The thought that I’m hungry takes awareness, which again is God-given and supernatural in origin (see my definition of supernatural in post #32). Cats and dogs also have a supernatural awareness of such things as pain and hunger but far less awareness, a state we call instincts. Similarly, the souls in Heaven will likely have a much keener sense of awareness than humans here on earth. Once in Heaven, all thoughts and desires from the evil one will vanish.

Yes, I agree that Christ is dwelling in most of us Christians and acts as a stimulus to get us to act righteously in thought and deed.

How does Satan get his hand in our thoughts? Again it has to do with God allowing evil and free will. This again relies on our limited awareness.

 

[DBT]

Well this has been fun . . . but time to move on! I think language is the barrier here . . . the words we use don’t necessarily convey what we think in a way that makes sense to others.

For those who are interested, here are some reading suggestions by Saints who speak to these matters. Much of this is wrapped up in the distinctions between meditation and contemplation and the role of thoughts in each.

First, look to St. Teresa’s descriptions of consolations vs. delights in the 4th mansion of Interior Castle. Consolations are what begin in us but reach out to God. Delights are what begin in God but find their home in us. Consolations are the joys we derive from meditation . . . the fruit of our thoughts. Delights are the joys we recieve through contemplation . . . which transcends all thought. The latter is infinitely more profound than the former. And a large part of spiritual direction is the training we recieve to not have our approach to God be governed by our thoughts and feelings of Him.

Second, look to St. John’s teaching on the transition from meditation to contemplation in both the Ascent and Dark Night. Meditation (thoughts of God) is a very noble and worthwhile practice for it points our way to Him. But to proceed to contemplation we must learn to set that aside. Why? As St. John teaches . . . meditation “is not a proximite means to union with God” and understanding that is key to everything. We might speak to God through thoughts, words and feelings . . . but God is not bound by that. He speaks to us in silence . . . beyond “images, forms, words and ideas.” Of course our souls are temples of the indwelling Trinity and He is very active in us. But He communicates and works in us in a mode and manner different than we do. We are finite . . . He is infinite. We are natural . . . He is supernatural. While He is certainly free to direct our thoughts as He sees fit . . . most of His work happens beyond all that. Grace and thoughts are not the same.

Third, look to St. John’s teaching on “first movements.” These are all the raw impulses that bubble up from our sub-conscious in the form of pre-thoughts. These impulses are shaped by our deep seated opinions, biases, preferences, life experiences and so on to be formed into an actual thought . . . which then shapes the action we choose. The work of the spiritual life is to continually redirect these first movements to the Divine ideal. The is the essence of conformity . . . the union of wills. This would not be necessary if our thoughts were not our own but God or the devil’s.

Forth, look to the purification of our opinions, preferences etc which shape our thoughts in the teaching of the active night of spirit in Book 3 of The Ascent. Again, the teaching is to conform what begins in us (thoughts) to the will of God. The whole notion of recollection . . . meaning the effort we do to bring our hearts and minds back to God when it strays . . . is based in this purification.

Lastly, look to the nature of union itself as described in the Spiritual Marriage by both St. Teresa and St. John. Bridal imagery is used for a reason . . . to illustrate how two become as one. When I married my wife . . . I did not become my wife. And so it is with God . . . we reach union with Him through likeness while remaining seperate and distinct from Him.

Dave

 

[DBT]

. . . and lastly is St. John’s teaching on sense and spirit in The Ascent. We are given bodily senses (sight, sound, touch etc) and spiritual faculties (intellect, will, memory) so that our entire being can directed toward our seach for God. All of this must be purified . . . through our own active efforts (mortification, self-denial) and God’s passive work in us (contemplation, purgative trials). And this passive work of God in us (contemplation) is not about thoughts . . . it transcends that.

 

[crystal_waters]

That’s correct, our thoughts are not our own, but the product of Satan or the Holy Spirit! Contemplate the implications! The best we can do is to be righteous in discerning the thoughts implanted by the Holy Spirit and clutch onto them while ignoring those thoughts and desires brought about by Satan! Again, contemplate that we are not who we think we are, but a mere byproduct of Satan, the Holy Spirit, or a cross-product of both!

With faith and prayer the temptations (implanted thoughts and activation of desires) of Satan will be minimized and the Holy Spirit will rule Supreme!

What I’m saying here is implicit in the Catholic faith. Bringing it to our attention is to take what is implicit and make it explicit.

what an utter load of baloney…god gave us FREE WILL…to do, say or think what we want…our thoughts are our own…sometimes we may be guided by god or tempted by the devil in our thoughts…but we cant blame our thoughts soley on them…

 

[Robert_Sock]

what an utter load of baloney…god gave us FREE WILL…to do, say or think what we want…our thoughts are our own…sometimes we may be guided by god or tempted by the devil in our thoughts…but we cant blame our thoughts soley on them…

We choose which thoughts to focus our attention on, so we do have free will. Ultimately, all our thoughts come from either the Holy Spirit or Satan. Moreover, all human knowledge originates with God alone.

The above topics have been explored elsewhere in this thread, so I will not dwell on them here.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

How about when I haven’t eaten and I think that I am hungry? From God? What about when I take a breath? It takes a subconscious thought to inhale and exhale? God again? I think that it is. What about all of the (name removed by moderator)ut received by our senses and transferred to and interpreted by our brains? Does God tell us that feels hot, painful, soothing, etc? What about visual and audio (name removed by moderator)uts? That could explain somethings like visionaries… Hmmm. There are some implications!

Not really. Basic biology clearly teaches that the human body possesses a defense mechanism and all the involuntary actions such as breathing, digestion, and respiration are monitored by the nervous system. We’d be dead without it.

You can ultimately attribute the wondrous clockwork of the human body to God but that doesn’t take out the human body’s potential for evil. Not everything created by God is good. Even Satan was created by God.

He is actively guiding us. We are all part of one body. Does one body have more than one mind?

There is no such thing as a collective brain.