Outrage over sexual freedom movements

[CaptainPrudeman]

Then why hasn’t teaching changed?

 

[ConstantLearner]

@ConstantLearner This is a lie. This is a particularly dangerous lie, as it is used by both Catholics and non-Catholics to justify the particularly nasty habit of masturbation. Men do not need “relief” at all. No problems will ensue from chaste abstinence.

Well, I wouldn’t say it’s a lie so much as a misconception on my part. A “lie” is a little harsh. LOL I’m a woman, but I’ve heard men talk. Maybe it’s “just talk.” I have no first hand experience because I do not have the equipment so do not really have familiarity with it.

And Harvard Medical School disagrees with you and agrees with me, though I will admit, this is a study and not conclusive evidence:

As part of Harvard’s Health Professionals Follow-up Study, 29,342 men between the ages of 46 and 81 reported their average number of ejaculations per month in young adulthood (ages 20–29), in mid-life (ages 40–49), and in the most recent year. Ejaculations included sexual intercourse, nocturnal emissions, and masturbation. Study participants also provided comprehensive health and lifestyle data every two years from 1992 to 2000. The scientists found that men who ejaculated 21 or more times a month enjoyed a 33% lower risk of prostate cancer compared with men who reported four to seven ejaculations a month throughout their lifetimes.

https://www.harvardprostateknowledge.org/does-frequent-ejaculation-help-ward-off-prostate-cancer

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

It’s just talk. It’s a lie that teenage guys use to get their girlfriends to sleep with them, or to excuse their masturbation habit. Lower risk of cancer? Probably. Necessary or else things get bad? No.

 

[Vonsalza]

Then why hasn’t teaching changed?

The first sin and the greatest, arguably, to tempt the office of the papacy in its long history;

Pride.

The minority report of the Papal Commission that was against birth control essentially argued “If we admit birthcontrol is ok, then we look silly!!!”

Read on:

[If BC is allowed, then] It should likewise have to be admitted that for a half a century the Spirit failed to protect Pius XI, Pius XII, and a large part of the Catholic hierarchy from a very serious error. This would mean that the leaders of the Church, acting with extreme imprudence, had condemned thousands of innocent human acts, forbidding, under pain of eternal damnation, a practice which would now be sanctioned. The fact can neither be denied nor ignored that these same acts would now be declared licit on the grounds of principles cited by the Protestants, which Popes and Bishops have either condemned, or at least not approved.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

So you’re arguing that centuries of teaching are wrong because of…pride? And the Spirit never once told any of the popes about this while writing their encyclicals?

 

[Vonsalza]

So you’re arguing that centuries of teaching are wrong because of…pride?

Condoms and hormonal birth control are not centuries old.

The notion that the Church can have an ancient teaching on this is as silly as saying the Church has ancient teaching on nuclear power.

And the Spirit never once told any of the popes about this while writing their encyclicals?

Well, the Holy Spirit apparently didn’t tell the pope that the earth went around the sun before It/He told Galileo…

 

[Pup7]

That’s good for them. We don’t and until it’s challenged at a higher level than online laity, I won’t ever see your point. You’re arguing against the Catholic church. That’s not a fight the laity can win.

I’ll admit I’m still learning a lot about the history of this religion - and this is ONLY a guess - but I’m thinking that there were many reasons for Vatican II besides a self-introspection of the Church.

I doubt the Church has survived for 2000 years by totally listening to just herself and ignoring her constituency. My dad was a Catholic in the 1930s and 1940s and saw Vatican II and was amazed at how flexible she actually is. The Church that buried him in 2005 is not the Church he was born into eighty years before, for certain. And I’m sure that’s both good and bad.

I mean absolutely no offense and no disrespect, Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman, because I admire your convictions. And yes, what I’m about to say even irritates me (because I know it will irritate you - it did when people my age said it to me when I was your age), so take it in the spirit in which it’s said.

Be prepared for life experience to temper your views as time passes. I may be wrong - but be ready for it anyway. And none of us believed it would happen to us, either.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

We can’t gleam anything from one another. Neither of us is going to change.

 

[Augustinian]

People shouldn’t have sex if they don’t want children or don’t have contraceptive methods planned like NFP.

How about old people, who don’t want children but are sterile due to advanced age?

 

[Vonsalza]

We can’t gleam anything from one another. Neither of us is going to change.

Mired in inflexible ideology!

But I worked my way to mine, for good or bad.

I’d venture most 17 year-old dogmatic Catholics were born unto theirs. No offense.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Post-menopausal sex is sinful, I think.

 

[Vonsalza]

Post-menopausal sex is sinful, I think.

Oh good lord…

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Oh no, I wasn’t. My father is lukewarm at best. I taught myself most everything I know about my faith. I got that impression from previous comments and things, but if I’m wrong please correct me @Vonsalza

 

[Vonsalza]

Oh no, I wasn’t. My father is lukewarm at best. I taught myself most everything I know about my faith.

Sure, I’m positive you had a role in it.

All I’m saying is that I remember my baptism. I was old enough to drive a car.

I suspect you don’t remember yours.

But this is uncharitable of me. Your views are, of course, your own.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I wish I weren’t baptized as an infant. I profaned the sacraments for a long time before realizing that there’s more to Catholicism than “Go to mass when you feel like it.”

 

[QwertyGirl]

Post-menopausal sex is sinful, I think.

Please speak with a priest. You have some really significant misconceptions about Church teachings. Please don’t spread this misinformation. It is good to have an expert you can bounce your ideas off of. It is a good thing to do.

 

[Pup7]

The pope said it in an arguably infallible encyclical and contraceptives deny the full unity of the act by blocking out the possibility of procreation artificially. This is Catholic teaching.

It’s Catholic teaching, but it’s not infallible.

Humanae Vitae, written in 1968, has never been declared infallible.

I’m not even Catholic yet (only a couple of weeks to go!) and I know that.

https://www.franciscanmedia.org/ask-a-franciscan-is-every-encyclical-infallible/

 

[ConstantLearner]

It’s just talk. It’s a lie that teenage guys use to get their girlfriends to sleep with them, or to excuse their masturbation habit. Lower risk of cancer? Probably. Necessary or else things get bad? No.

It’s just a study, not a definitive conclusion! LOL But it sure isn’t something teenage boys use to get teenage girls to do their bidding. It is a legitimate medical study that found that those with more frequent ejaculation had a lower incidence of prostate cancer. Maybe other factors come into play, and they are the cause of the lower incidence of cancer. It’s a STUDY that warrants more STUDY to SEE IF IT’S TRUE.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I rescind the post-menopausal comment. I was wrong.
@ConstantLearner It’s been used before as a lie to get what guys want. Maybe that’s not the origin, but it’s part of how it’s used and spread.

 

[ConstantLearner]

I don’t think many girls would fall for that line now unless they wanted to.