Outside the Church there is no salvation

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You mean being married to a Catholic is no fun? you never had fun in your relationship? you have to stay away from each other or you lust? NON sence. How borring! Why if i was without a partner i would seek one that was not catholic. No wonder the women here sound like men there is not much difference as they think the same and are all borred with each other, and most do not get married because who wants to be married to your brother? WOW:(
 
You mean being married to a Catholic is no fun? you never had fun in your relationship? you have to stay away from each other or you lust? NON sence. How borring! Why if i was without a partner i would seek one that was not catholic. No wonder the women here sound like men there is not much difference as they think the same and are all borred with each other, and most do not get married because who wants to be married to your brother? WOW:(
I don’t think anyone here equates having sex with an HIV partner to be any-one’s idea of fun unless one is into playing a daily round or two of Russian Roulette for excitement…

I think you are going non-linear on us here Nancy. :hypno: You have created a half a dozen strawman arguments. I think you might want to change your line of work or go on a vacation from your mental health counseling.

I am withdrawing from this off topic discussion…

Back to OP. :takeoff:

James
 
I don’t think anyone here equates having sex with an HIV partner to be any-one’s idea of fun unless one is into playing a daily round or two of Russian Roulette for excitement…

I think you are going non-linear on us here Nancy. :hypno: You have created a half a dozen strawman arguments. I think you might want to change your line of work or go on a vacation from your mental health counseling.

I am withdrawing from this off topic discussion…

Back to OP. :takeoff:

James
Why the slures? Why bring mental health into this? I did not say having sex with HIV was ok to do but i would not want to give my life up at a young age because the other had HIV. If you cannot answer something you find another way of being pious. Nancy
 
You mean like the OT where God allegedly told the Hebrews to murder the Canaanites - including all women and children - and take their possessions, all the while claiming they were specially chosen by ‘god’ above all other humans?

(Yes, I’m aware of the standard spin attempting to whitewash this).

The more straightforward interpretation is that the Hebrews were ungodly and either made up a religion to justify their actions, or actually genuinely worshipped a ‘god’ who supported this type of behavior.
What God commands is the absolute law, and one is perfectly justified in doing it. Hence the comparison to the Old Testament fails.

As a matter of fact, though, this is precisely the reason why some people, say Muslims, who have been raised from birth to believe that God commands them to do, say, acts of terrorism, could possibly be excused from sin in doing so: Precisely because they believe that it is a commandment of God, just as Abraham was able to intend to kill his son, because God commanded it.

God bless,
 
Why the slures? Why bring mental health into this? I did not say having sex with HIV was ok to do but i would not want to give my life up at a young age because the other had HIV. If you cannot answer something you find another way of being pious. Nancy
Well you could try to get the marriage annuled or wait till your marriage ends due to the fatality of AIDS. But both of those choices only benefit the not infected partner. So it looks like the one who has AIDS should try to get used to abstinence, if he wants to life by the rules of the church that is.

Another possibility after annulment of the marriage would be for the infected person to try and find another person who has AIDS but unless that person got it from the same source that is not medically recommended because in case of intercourse, two different strains of the virus can update each others resistances in a process known as super infection and so form a kind of super-AIDS which kills even faster due to its higher resistance to treatments.

So in general, if you somehow contract a not cureable life threatening disease which can be transmitted to other people by means of intercourse and want to live by the rules of the roman catholic church you will have to stay celibate. For the rest of your live. (Or if you’re lucky only if they find a cure for the disease)

Trivia: Condoms have a failure rate of up to 18%, playing russian roulette with a 6-chambered revolver gives you a chance of 16.66% to get the filled chamber. So statistically speaking russian roulette is safer then condoms.
 
:rotfl::rotfl: you cannot explain something God did not put in his book. I do not listen to much to man. I have found them to be wrong alot.
Spoken like a true protestant.
they do not have self-control
My Bible says ‘Do not contain’ as in it’s their choice. Not that they cannot contain themselves or do not have self control as you put it.

And how about men and women who ‘burn’ in passion yet can’t find a woman who would want them? Their life is doomed? How about homosexuals who burn in passion for their mate. Unnatural sex is fine now?

It’s ridiculous to think Paul seriously meant that some men and women could never obtain self control when it becomes necessary in cases of illicit behaviour like using condoms as an alternative.
Why the slures? Why bring mental health into this? I did not say having sex with HIV was ok to do but i would not want to give my life up at a young age because the other had HIV. If you cannot answer something you find another way of being pious. Nancy
So you’d divorce your husband with aids because you wouldn’t want to ‘give up’ your life at such a young age. That would be your only option now wouldn’t it. Unless you’d rather risk your life and force your husband against his conscience to give you sex rather than have you ‘burn’ in passion since you sound weak with zero self control.
 
Why the slures? Why bring mental health into this? I did not say having sex with HIV was ok to do but i would not want to give my life up at a young age because the other had HIV. If you cannot answer something you find another way of being pious. Nancy
How about a ride on that helmet:D
 
Spoken like a true protestant.

My Bible says ‘Do not contain’ as in it’s their choice. Not that they cannot contain themselves or do not have self control as you put it.

And how about men and women who ‘burn’ in passion yet can’t find a woman who would want them? Their life is doomed? How about homosexuals who burn in passion for their mate. Unnatural sex is fine now?

It’s ridiculous to think Paul seriously meant that some men and women could never obtain self control when it becomes necessary in cases of illicit behaviour like using condoms as an alternative.

So you’d divorce your husband with aids because you wouldn’t want to ‘give up’ your life at such a young age. That would be your only option now wouldn’t it. Unless you’d rather risk your life and force your husband against his conscience to give you sex rather than have you ‘burn’ in passion since you sound weak with zero self control.
WOW there are some people who still make mountains out of mole hills I only asked a simple question What if 2 people very young were married and One got a blood transfusion and got AIDS. i think you all did quite well answering it, even to go against a catholic and call her protestant, well i guess the door is opened.
 
How about a ride on that helmet:D
Worse things than losing the ability to have intimacy at a young age can happen in a marriage. What would you do if your spouse had an accident and was unable to have relationships of any sort - a stroke, a gravely disfiguring accident or disease or brain damage where they were rendered completely unable to relate to you? What happened to “for better or worse”?

Would you use the same argument about the necessity to satisfy youthful urges as a means to justify extra-marital relations or getting a divorce for your husband’s inability to hold up to his side of the spousal duty?

Turn it around - what if you had cervical cancer and it was too painful to accommodate your spouse even if you wanted to? Would you sanction him having extramarital affairs for the sake of “love”? :rolleyes:

I have been in a relationship where my late spouse could not have conjugal relations for 2 years before she passed away and had no problem finding joy in taking care of her and keeping her comforatable for the time she had left.

What wimps we have all become when people can fight and die or get maimed for life defending their country or their faith but some these days could not imagine ever giving up intimacy at too early an age for the sake of their souls or “God and Church”…

James
 
Spoken like true hate.
You can read hearts now? Protestants or at least most put more credibility into the Bible than the Church as it seems Nancy was doing. Maybe ‘lookaround’ and read all posts before you make a judgment call on me next time. And if you will say you have done this, then give your reasons of how you ‘know’ that I was hating at the moment I posted that.
WOW there are some people who still make mountains out of mole hills I only asked a simple question What if 2 people very young were married and One got a blood transfusion and got AIDS.
You are forgetting the part where you laughed in a seemingly self righteous mocking sort of way at the answers people were giving you. You were snickering at the Church’s stance against condom use then giving some sort of illogical reason why it should be allowed when aids are involved when in reality that should have been a non argument because of the circumstances alone.
even to go against a catholic and call her protestant, well i guess the door is opened.
You behave like one by making up your own dogmas concerning the morality of condom use. You put the Bible only ahead of the teachings of the Church.
 
Worse things than losing the ability to have intimacy at a young age can happen in a marriage. What would you do if your spouse had an accident and was unable to have relationships of any sort - a stroke, a gravely disfiguring accident or disease or brain damage where they were rendered completely unable to relate to you? What happened to “for better or worse”?

Would you use the same argument about the necessity to satisfy youthful urges as a means to justify extra-marital relations or getting a divorce for your husband’s inability to hold up to his side of the spousal duty?

Turn it around - what if you had cervical cancer and it was too painful to accommodate your spouse even if you wanted to? Would you sanction him having extramarital affairs for the sake of “love”? :rolleyes:

I have been in a relationship where my late spouse could not have conjugal relations for 2 years before she passed away and had no problem finding joy in taking care of her and keeping her comforatable for the time she had left.

What wimps we have all become when people can fight and die or get maimed for life defending their country or their faith but some these days could not imagine ever giving up intimacy at too early an age for the sake of their souls or “God and Church”…

James
NO James I would do what you did, I would take care of him or her. that would be the right thing to do. but younger people would find it hard to do this. and my question was aderssing these issues of younger people Now you made me think of Sarah and Abraham, I think the maid girl got the rotton deal for she had to leave with her son out into the desert. funny how things were right then but not right now. it just makes me wonder.
 
You can read hearts now? Protestants or at least most put more credibility into the Bible than the Church as it seems Nancy was doing. Maybe ‘lookaround’ and read all posts before you make a judgment call on me next time. And if you will say you have done this, then give your reasons of how you ‘know’ that I was hating at the moment I posted that.

You are forgetting the part where you laughed in a seemingly self righteous mocking sort of way at the answers people were giving you. You were snickering at the Church’s stance against condom use then giving some sort of illogical reason why it should be allowed when aids are involved when in reality that should have been a non argument because of the circumstances alone.

You behave like one by making up your own dogmas concerning the morality of condom use. You put the Bible only ahead of the teachings of the Church.
WOW I dont think I ever said i would use a condom, I dont believe you.
 
WOW I dont think I ever said i would use a condom, I dont believe you.
Well you weren’t exactly denying it when I gave examples between yourself and your hubby if you have or had one of course.

Anyways, you were at least defending the use of condoms under certain conditions
even if not for yourself. You should at least agree with me on that.
 
Well you weren’t exactly denying it when I gave examples between yourself and your hubby if you have or had one of course.

Anyways, you were at least defending the use of condoms under certain conditions
even if not for yourself. You should at least agree with me on that.
Negative, we do not use them.Nancy:)
 
NO James I would do what you did, I would take care of him or her. that would be the right thing to do.
Well good then - I hope you never get put to the test.
but younger people would find it hard to do this. and my question was aderssing these issues of younger people Now you made me think of Sarah and Abraham, I think the maid girl got the rotton deal for she had to leave with her son out into the desert. funny how things were right then but not right now. it just makes me wonder.
I make you think of Sarah and Abraham? LOL - I don’t ever recollect telling you how old I am. In fact one of my first questions (that you did not respond to) was “what is old”?

Youth would only have trouble with it because they are generally less disciplined in youth these days and almost all have had premarital sex and been “exposed to the appetite” and lack any self control or self discipline and want the “quick fix”. So I guess I can agree with you in one sense - but this is more of a cultural thing of this generation - not an age thing in an absolute sense.

As for Sarah’s maid getting the bad deal - that is a common reaction to empathize with her. But the purpose of the story is to show that God has chosen a specific people to be his and they shall not be “slaves” (a reference to sin) in any way. If you want to go by OT standards then your husband could have many wives - is that what you mean by “things were right but not right now”? From OT times to only just now Jews nor Christians have ever permitted contraception. This is a latent neo-Christian phenomena accepted by Protestants 30 years ago or so - yet another marker for what is NOT the true church since it breaks with 4,000 years of tradition and practise.

James
 
Well good then - I hope you never get put to the test.

I make you think of Sarah and Abraham? LOL - I don’t ever recollect telling you how old I am. In fact one of my first questions (that you did not respond to) was “what is old”?

Youth would only have trouble with it because they are generally less disciplined in youth these days and almost all have had premarital sex and been “exposed to the appetite” and lack any self control or self discipline and want the “quick fix”. So I guess I can agree with you in one sense - but this is more of a cultural thing of this generation - not an age thing in an absolute sense.

As for Sarah’s maid getting the bad deal - that is a common reaction to empathize with her. But the purpose of the story is to show that God has chosen a specific people to be his and they shall not be “slaves” (a reference to sin) in any way. If you want to go by OT standards then your husband could have many wives - is that what you mean by “things were right but not right now”? From OT times to only just now Jews nor Christians have ever permitted contraception. This is a latent neo-Christian phenomena accepted by Protestants 30 years ago or so - yet another marker for what is NOT the true church since it breaks with 4,000 years of tradition and practise.

James
James, if you never knew how old you were, how old would you feel?

What i ment by Sarah and Abraham was, i seemed to them the right thing to do and then after they had a baby they gave the boot to the maid.She was used.
 
James, if you never knew how old you were, how old would you feel?
Hmm, this might be too personal a question for a public forum. With the right company I suppose I’d feel old enough to know I could easily meet the minimum requirements to fulfill the duties of spousal contributions necessary for having children while also being up to the motivational challenge from younger enthusiasm. 😃

Shame on you Nancy - Arn’t you married? 😉
What i ment by Sarah and Abraham was, i seemed to them the right thing to do and then after they had a baby they gave the boot to the maid.She was used.
Yeah it certainly seems kind of harsh by current standards. But the truth is in the old days sibling rivalry between 1st and 2nd born was intense and Isaac was 2nd born and would not have been entitled to an inheritance if Abraham had adopted Haggai as a 2nd wife. It’s easy to predict that there would be violence and Sarah was wise in discerning the competitive and stubborn nature of Ishmael (“a wild *** of a man”). There would have been ceaseless conflict over inheritance rights between first born and first blood line. Just look at what we have today in Arabia - THAT whole middle-east conflict came directly out of this ancient sibling grudge.

James
 
Hmm, this might be too personal a question for a public forum. With the right company I suppose I’d feel old enough to know I could easily meet the minimum requirements to fulfill the duties of spousal contributions necessary for having children while also being up to the motivational challenge from younger enthusiasm. 😃 - 👍

Shame on you Nancy - Arn’t you married? 😉 - :D?

Yeah it certainly seems kind of harsh by current standards. But the truth is in the old days sibling rivalry between 1st and 2nd born was intense and Isaac was 2nd born and would not have been entitled to an inheritance if Abraham had adopted Haggai as a 2nd wife. It’s easy to predict that there would be violence and Sarah was wise in discerning the competitive and stubborn nature of Ishmael (“a wild *** of a man”). There would have been ceaseless conflict over inheritance rights between first born and first blood line. Just look at what we have today in Arabia - THAT whole middle-east conflict came directly out of this ancient sibling grudge. aahha! BECAUSE IT WASN’T THE RIGHT THING TO DO?

James
 
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