Over 80,000 mail-in ballots disqualified in NYC primary mess

[Cathoholic]

This “mess” was very predictable. The conservatives were warning about things like this for awhile now (even the conservatives right here on CAF). They knew things like this would occur.

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Over 80,000 mail-in ballots disqualified in NYC primary mess​

1 out of 4 mail-in ballots were disqualified for arriving late, lacking a postmark or other defects​

The mail-in ballots of more than 84,000 New York City Democrats who sought to vote in the presidential primary were disqualified, according to new figures released by the Board of Elections.

The city BOE received 403,103 mail-in ballots for the June 23 Democratic presidential primary.

But the certified results released Wednesday revealed that only 318,995 mail-in ballots were counted.

That means 84,108 ballots were not counted or invalidated — 21 percent of the total.

One out of four mail-in ballots were disqualified for arriving late, lacking a postmark or failing to include a voter’s signature, or other defects. The New York Post reported Tuesday that roughly 30,000 mail-in ballots were invalidated in Brooklyn alone. . . .

. . . A federal judge ruled Monday that thousands of voters were disenfranchised because of the tardy mailing and processing of the ballots.

The mess included votes not being counted because the pre-paid ballot envelopes were not postmarked.

Manhattan Judge Analisa Torres ordered that ballots received by June 25 be counted, though the state Board of Elections said it is appealing the ruling.

Meanwhile, the embattled BOE found itself mired in controversy again after emails obtained by The Post show the agency blew off Kellner, who proposed reforms to prevent another absentee balloting nightmare in November.

His six-page proposal urged city BOE officials to ensure proper staffing at polling places during the November election to ensure lines are no longer than 30 minutes; to tally absentee ballots more quickly than the six weeks it took to certify results from the primary; and to plan for processing “double or triple” the number of absentee applications.

“Add new capacity to process the applications in a timely manner now. Do not wait for a backlog from which you can never recover,” Kellner said.

City lawyers admitted in Manhattan federal court last week that they were still mailing absentee ballots the day before the June primary, leaving little chance they could reach voters in time. . . . .

Over 80,000 mail-in ballots disqualified in NYC primary mess | Fox News

 

[Cathoholic]

But we were told it wouldn’t NEED “straightening out”.

We were told how fine this was going to be.

The leftist line when things fail? Double-down on your failure.
I would recomend not accepting their lines Tbolt.

Especially now when these errors disenfranchise voters, or at least potentially do.

 

[Cathoholic]

Thbolt . . .

there will be fewer problems.

I disagree.

 

[7_Sorrows]

It will give them time to straighten it out for the general election.

In less than 3 months they will straighten it out? Highly unlikely.

 

[Cathoholic]

Thbolt . . . .

What experience do you have . . .

Forget about my experience with me.

My experience with the mail being assigned to a task they are not prepared for
with 80,000 disqualified ballots from this one "election"
reaffirms to me, we don’t do this.

You don’t play games with American elections.

 

[Cathoholic]

Thbolt . . .

let’s talk about real life experience.

We did. There were 80,000 reasons why this was a bad idea.

 

[KMC]

Cathoholic:

Forget about my experience with me.

My experience with the mail being assigned to a task they are not prepared for with 80,000 disqualified ballots from this one “election” tells me you don’t do this.

Nah, let’s talk about real life experience. When is it that the first time something is done is the best that can ever be done and there is no hope for improvement?

In order to use this method for something as important as the presidential election, there needs to be a successful test, first. We have only had one test, and it seems to be a failure.

Its kind of like a test of a rocket to take people up in space. If it blows up, you don’t just say, “lets put people on that rocket next time, I’m sure’ll we’ll have all of the problems fixed by then.”

 

[RidgeSprinter]

Probably the real fear is that Republicans will exhibit the same failures and their votes will be disqualified during the General Election

THAT IS THE REAL FEAR.

 

[Cathoholic]

RidgeSprinter . . .

Probably the real fear is that Republicans will exhibit the same failures and their votes will be disqualified during the General Election

THAT IS THE REAL FEAR.

No RidgeSprinter.

The “real fear” is just what has occurred.

All 80,000 reasons.

And it was predictable by the conservatives.
I can’t think of one national leftist that got this right. Not one.

 

[Cathoholic]

1 in 4 Vote-by-Mail Ballots Disqualified in New York City Democrat Primary​

AP Photo/Seth Wenig

JOEL B. POLLAK

5 Aug 2020

The New York City Board of Elections disqualified 84,208 vote-by-mail ballots — 26% of the total cast — in the June 23 Democratic presidential primary, according to a report cited Wednesday evening by the New York Post .

The Post reported:

The city BOE received 403,213 mail-in ballots for the June 23 Democratic presidential primary.

But the certified results released Wednesday revealed that only 318,995 mail-in ballots were counted.

That’s means 84,208 ballots were not counted or invalidated — 26 percent of the total.

One out of four mail-in ballots were disqualified for arriving late, lacking a postmark or failing to include a voter’s signature, or other defects.

Votes are still being counted from the June 23 primary, where several close elections were only decided weeks later. . . .

1 in 4 Vote-by-Mail Ballots Disqualified in New York City Democrat Primary

 

[Cathoholic]

Las Vegas: Over 223K Mail-In Ballots Bounced as ‘Undeliverable’ in Recent Primary Election​

AP Photo/Seth Wenig

JOHN BINDER

5 Aug 2020

More than 223,000 mail-in ballots sent to registered voters in Clark County, Nevada, were bounced as “undeliverable” in the state’s June primary election, newly released data reveals.

According to data collected by the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF) from the Clark County Election Department, a total of 223,469 mail-in ballots sent to registered voters for the June 9 primary election ended up bouncing as “undeliverable” — 17 percent of the total 1,325,934 mail-in ballots that were sent out in the county.

“These numbers show how vote by mail fails,” PILF President J. Christian Adams said in a statement, adding:

New proponents of mail balloting don’t often understand how it actually works. States like Oregon and Washington spent many years building their mail voting systems and are notably aggressive with voter list maintenance efforts. . .

For comparison, in the 2012, 2014, 2016, and 2018 general elections, the entire state of Nevada recorded just 5,863 mail-in ballots as “undeliverable.” That data comes from U.S. Election Assistance Commission surveys. . . .

. . . On Wednesday, President Trump said Nevada did not have the election infrastructure to take on such a task as universal mail-in voting.

Trump wrote in a post:

Nevada has ZERO infrastructure for Mail-In Voting. It will be a corrupt disaster if not ended by the Courts. It will take months, or years, to figure out. Florida has built a great infrastructure, over years, with two great Republican Governors. Florida, send in your Ballots!

Recent data has not shown a compelling public health justification for mail-in voting. In Wisconsin’s April election, only 52 of more than 400,000 voters and poll workers were confirmed to have contracted the Chinese coronavirus. None of those cases were fatal. This equals an infection rate below two-hundredths of one percent.

Las Vegas: 223K Mail-In Ballots Bounced as 'Undeliverable' in Election

 

[Pattylt]

Rushing to switch to mail in voting due to the virus is not a good idea. People need time and training how to do it properly so their vote will count. The problem wasn’t just the mail in voting, it was the rushed nature of it with no gradual switching over with lots of public training on how to do it right.

I love our system in Colorado. We have the choice to vote in person, mail in vote or fill out the mailer and drop it off at approved boxes. It encourages everyone to vote by letting them pick what they are most comfortable with…and we have some of the best turnouts in the country and very rare problems with late mailers/Incompleted forms/lack of signatures.

I’m not sure why this isn’t being adopted by more states. Given time to put in effect correctly, it’s a wonderful system…the people overwhelmingly love it!

 

[ThinkingSapien]

I’m not sure why this isn’t being adopted by more states.

My county adopted something similar this past year. I always do in-person early voting (which is considered absentee voting). This year, those voting absentee can go to ballot deposit boxes placed outside of state building. This was something that was planned prior to Covid-19. I appreciate the option; being able to make an absentee vote without the USPS bing involved. We also can go online to verify our votes were cast as we intended.

 

[Pattylt]

The only drawback I have is that you mail in your ballot but still have two more weeks of phone calls and commercials! . I do get the satisfaction on phone calls to tell them, “ I’ve already voted, goodbye “.

 

[Dr_Meinheimer]

What experience do you have that the first time you did something was the best you ever did and you never got any better at it?

You make it sound like folks were asked to perform heart surgery, blindfolded, while reciting the entire score from the “HMS Pinafore.”

 

[Cathoholic]

Thbolt . . .

And yet no one answers my question on when was there a case where the first time they did something was the best time they did something and they never could get better after that first time.

It is irrelevant that’s why.

You don’t play games with the elections based on “when was there a case where the first time they did something was the best time they did something and they never could get better after that first time.”

 

[Cathoholic]

Thbolt . .

The idea that these problems are not fixable is because of the inflexible thinking . . .

Sure. The “thinking” is the problem. Not the disaster we have had so far.

You don’t start tinkering with an election about 85 days before the voting begins (substantially sooner actually depending on the degree of “tinkering”).

Thblot again . . . .

which is likely a result of excuse making for those who do not want to see mail-in voting succeed because their preferred candidates won’t win.

That’s just it Thbolt.

It has been tried and has NOT “succeeded”.

I think your theory is the other way around. (I think the leftists cannot win on ideas
and they are trying any back-up plans they can to grab a “win” which would be a “loss” for the country of course.)

 

[Cathoholic]

Thbolt . . .

America put a man on the moon.

Not in 85 days they didn’t.

But if you really believe America can solve the problem that quick,
then just come up with a tried effective medicine (in addition to hydroxychloroquine)
and then we won’t have any reason to pretend we cannot do in-person voting.

As Chesterton would say . . .

You can’t grow a beard in a fit of passion Thbolt.

 

[Cathoholic]

Thbolt . . .

Republicans don’t want mail-in voting to succeed because they will lose because they do not appeal to the majority of Americans so they depend on voter suppression to stay in power.

I think you’ve got it backwards.

I think this is a much more accurate picture . . .

Democrats do want mail-in voting to occur despite the enormous evidence (even presented here on this thread above) that it is a disaster causing election chaos and making cheating easier because they will lose because their ideas do not appeal to the majority of Americans so they depend on vote manipulation to steal power.

 

[Cathoholic]

Cathoholic . . . .

Democrats do want mail-in voting to occur despite the enormous evidence (even presented here on this thread above) that it is a disaster causing election chaos and making cheating easier because they will lose because their ideas do not appeal to the majority of Americans so they depend on vote manipulation to steal power.

Bold added for context.

Thbolt changing my premise fro “making cheating easier” to “cheating” . . .

There is no evidence of cheating at all . . .

To the readers.
This is the fallacy of equivocation.
A change in the premise so the argument can be shifted away from what was stated.

It is a give-away of a weak argument.

I stand by everything I posted here.

Wealthy Donors Pour Millions into Fight over Mail-in Voting​

AP

27 Jul 2020

WASHINGTON (AP) — Deep-pocketed and often anonymous donors are pouring over $100 million into an intensifying dispute about whether it should be easier to vote by mail, a fight that could determine President Donald Trump’s fate in the November election. . . .

. . . “The pandemic has created a state of emergency,” said Laleh Ispahani, the U.S. managing director for Open Society, a network of nonprofits founded by billionaire progressive donor George Soros. “Donors who haven’t typically taken on these issues now have an interest.”

How much will be spent is unclear because many of the organizations are nonprofits that won’t disclose those details to the IRS until well after the election. Even then, many sources of money will remain unknown because such groups don’t have to disclose their donors, commonly referred to as “dark money.” . . .

. . . A substantial portion of the financing comes from Donors Trust, a nonprofit often referred to as the “dark money ATM” of the conservative movement. The organization helps wealthy patrons invest in causes they care about while sheltering their identities from the public. . . .

. . . Litigation is a primary focus. Democrats and good government organizations are pushing to eliminate hurdles to absentee voting, like requiring a witnesses’ signature, or allowing third parties to collect ballots.

Conservatives say that amounts to an invitation to commit voter fraud. As these issues wind their way through courts, they say judges could decide complex policy matters that often were already debated by state legislatures.

“The wrong way to go about this is to run to court, particularly a week or two before an election, trying to get judges to intervene and second-guess decisions legislatures have made,” said Jason Snead, the executive director of the Honest Elections Project. . . .

Bold mine.

Wealthy Donors Pour Millions into Fight over Mail-in Voting - Breitbart